Okay... this religious shit is starting to really bother me.

[devilgrrl]

Look at the following swill that ended up in my inbox:

DID YOU KNOW ALL THIS?  I SURELY DIDN'T.

As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view  ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.

DID YOU KNOW?

As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above where the Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

DID YOU KNOW?

James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:

"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

DID YOU KNOW?

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

DID YOU KNOW?

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

DID YOU KNOW?

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin maki nglaw.anoligarchy
the rule of few over many.

DID YOU KNOW?

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:

"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

Please forward this to everyone you can. Lets put it around the world and let the world see and remember what this great country was built on.

Thank you!!

Chamber, US House of Representatives

I was asked to send this on if I agreed or delete if I didn't.   Now it is your turn...

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a  very hard time understand-ing why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance.  Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!!  or go back to their country to live.

If you agree, pass this on, if not simply delete.

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:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:


This is crap - help me refute it please.

[WindRavenX]

1. here's a response:

DID YOU KNOW:
America is NOT a theocracy?

[realisticphish]

2. right here

"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian Doctrine."
~George Washington

"I do not find in orthodox christianity one redeeming feature."
~Thomas Jefferson

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My mind is my own church."
~Thomas Paine

"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give the assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
~Abraham Lincoln


how about THAT shit bwahahahaha


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[The Crimson]

11. Wow. Excellent quotes.

Thanks!

[donheld]

22. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Oh the Jefferson Bibble and the US

Constitution should be good enough, but when it comes to people like this only the bible will work...

So use the ten commandments

I think Though shall not put others before me is the first one, and they are putting money and power before god

Though shall not lie... can we have an honest conversation about the Iraq intel?

Though shall not covet your neighboors wife (also considered to be his properties)

See where I am going here? Best way to fight these loons is to use what they believe against them.

Oh and that thing about men laying with each other being against the Lord's Law, yep, they are correct, so exactly can I buy a slave? Or can I sell my daugher to slavery, what about participating in the execution of those who cut their side burns, which is not pleasing to the Lord, wearing clothing made of two threads? I could go on... and yes they are all found in exodus and Leviticus...

What can I say?

I am evil

[donheld]

23. Please don't dribble on

the bibble and we won't have a quibble. :evilgrin: actually go on dribble on it.

[quaker bill]

26. Why was the Constitutional Convention held in Philadelphia?

Because it was a place where the delegates, who were members of several different churches, could meet without concern that the local government would impose it's religious views. Remember that some of the original 13 colonies were church-states.

Part of the reason for the non-establishment clause was to assure that no one faith would take over the colonial government and impose it's church on the others. Just like it says in plain english. The language was crafted to address this issue. It was a real concern at the time, because some colonies were church-states.

[LoZoccolo]

4. The James Madison quote is fake.

http://www.libertymagazine.org/article/articleview/262/1/29

Now you know why they tell you to delete it if you disagree - so that it doesn't stay around long enough for you to know it's fake and forward the debunking to everyone who got that original email (which you're gonna do, right?)

[LoZoccolo]

6. The links from that page are broken, though.

It looks like the James Madison University site did some reorg work; the things might be elsewhere on the site.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Here's the thing about the quote.

http://www.jmu.edu/madison/center/main_pages/madison_archives/quotes/great/rights.htm

[selmo7]

5. try this

What the founding fathers had to say about the US being a Christian
nation. With fierce clarity, they said NOT!

GEORGE WASHINGTON

In looking for good servants, Washington declared that any would be acceptable, "be they Mohamamedan, Jew, Christian, or atheist."

"Religious controversies are always productive of more irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause."

The Treaty of Tripoli, drafted while Washington was still the nation's chief executive, was unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1797. Article Eleven of that treaty states:

"As the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself not character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musslemen . . . it is declared . . . that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

THOMAS JEFFERSON

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg . . .

"Millions of men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

"I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to the doctrine in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."

"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man."

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Mineva in the brain of Jupiter."

"If we could believe that he really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods, and the charlatanisms which his biographers father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations, and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and the fanatics of the latter, ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind that he was an imposter."

"Question with boldness the existence of God. I do not believe any of the Christian doctrines. The greatest enemies of Jesus are the doctrines and creeds of the church. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all then to blaspheme him by the atrocious writings of the theologians. John Calvin was a demon and malignant spirit."

"The Presbyterian clergy are the loudest, the most intolerant, of all sects; the most tyrannical and ambitious, ready at the word of the law-giver, if such a word could not be obtained, to put their torch to the pile, and to rekindle in this virgin hemisphere the flame in which their oracle Calvin consumed the poor Servetus, because he could not subscribe to the proposition of Calvin, that magistrates have a right to exterminate all heretics to the Calvinistic creed! They pant to reestablish by law that holy inquisition which they can now only infuse into public opinion."

"In our Richmond there is much fanaticism, but chiefly among the women. They have their night meetings and praying parties, where, attended by their priests, and sometimes by a hen-pecked husband, they pour forth the effusions of their love to Jesus, in terms as amatory and carnal, as their modesty will permit to a merely earthly lover."

"Of this band of dupes and apostles, Paul was the great Corypheus, the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus."

"e may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."


"I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its creed and conscience neither to kings nor priests, the genuine doctrine of the only true God is reviving; and I trust there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian."

THOMAS PAINE

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."

"The character of Moses is the most horrid tale that can be imagined. Moses was a wretch that committed the most horrible atrocities that can be found in the literature of any nation. 'For Moses said unto them (according to the Bible), kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him, but al the women that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.'

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare to dishonor my Creator's name by it to this filthy book. Men and books lie. Only nature does not lie."

"Nothing that is here said can apply, even with the most distant disrespect, to the real character of Jesus Christ. He was a virtuous and amiable man. The morality he preached and practiced was of the most benevolent kind; and though similar systems of morality have been preached by Confucius, and by some of the Greek philosophies, many years before, and by Quakers since, and by many good men i n all ages, it has not been excelled by any."

"Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."

JAMES MADISON

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

"The diabolical, hell-conceived, principle of persecution rages; and to their eternal infamy, the clergy can furnish their quota of imps for such a business."

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

"Will religion, the only remaining motive, be a restraint? . . . s religion in its coolest state is not infallible, it may become a motive of oppression as well as a restraint from injustice."

"Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations.

"The establishment of the chaplainship in Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights as well as of Constitutional principles.

"The danger of silent accumulations and encroachments by ecclesiastical bodies has not sufficiently engaged attention in the U.S."

JOHN ADAMS

"Twenty times in the course of my late readings, have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!' But . . .ithout religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company--I mean hell. So far from believing in the total and universal depravity of human nature, I believe there is no individual totally depraved. The most abandoned scoundrel that ever existed never wholly extinguished his conscience, and while conscience remains there is some religion. Popes, Jesuits, Sarbonnists, and Inquisitors have some religion. Fears and terrors appear to have produced a universal credulity--but fears of pain and death here do not seem so unconquerable as fears of what is to come hereafter."

"The human understanding is a revelation from its maker and can never be disputed or doubted . . . No miracles, no prophecies are necessary to prove celestial communication."


"I believe in no such thing . My adoration of the author of the Universe is too profound and too sincere. The love of God and his creation--delight, joy, triumph, exultation in my own existence--though but an atom, a molecule organique, in the Universe--these are my religion."


"Howl, snarl, bite, ye Calvinistic, ye Athanasian divines, if ye will. Ye will say I am no Christian. I say ye are not Christians, and there the account is balanced. Yet I believe all the honest men among you are Christians in my sense of the word."


"I do not know how to prove physically, that we shall meet and know each other in a future state; nor does Revelation, as I can find, give us any positive assurance of such a felicity. My reasons for believing it, as I do most undoubtedly, are that I cannot conceive such a being could make such a species as the human, merely to live and die on this earth. If I did not believe in a future state, I should believe in no God. This Universe, this all would appear, with all of its swelling pomp, a boyish firework. And if there be a future state, why should the Almighty dissolve forever all the tender ties which untie us so delightfully in this world, and forbid us to see each other in the next?"

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli which in Article II begins]: "As the Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion . . ."


"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of greed has produced!"

"The 'divinity' of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find Christianity encumbered with."

"The priesthood have, in all nations, monopolized learning, and ever since the Reformation where or when has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate a free inquiry or free thought. The most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahoooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find that you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hands, and fly into your face and eyes."

[cavanaghjam]

14. This was so good

I just stole the whole thing. First. Time. Ever.

[selmo7]

17. wish I had a link - I don't

someone sent me them in that form all compiled.

Found this link though, which presents part of the list
http://www.gatheringundertheoaks.com/Reppubshi.htm

and another with some of the sources for the quotes cited:
http://www.atheism.org/~godlessheathen/Founders.html

[sariku]

7. Oh my god I got the pledge one today myself

My response:

86% is outdated. If you want to send something that amounts to "neener neener", you should check the facts first. 86% of americans in 1990 professed to believe in god. The latest statistics, for 2001, are down to 76.5%.

As for the 14% - the fact that anyone would be naive enough to suggest that they "shut up" is a very telling thing for our country. I'm so sick of christians who want to shove their views down everyone's throat and whine and piss and moan at every perceived slight to their religion. Boo-fucking-hoo. The more people who propogate nonsense like the sentiments espoused in this email, the more resistance christianity is going to have.

I honestly don't give a rat's ass if someone is christian or not. But I take huge offense at being told that I should give up my constitutional right to freedom of speech over a stupid phrase that was added to a perfectly fine pledge 50 years ago - 61 years after its creation.

Something that so many Americans seem to forget is that this country was founded on the concept that we were free to practice religion as we saw fit. Yes, I realize that there are many things that commonly take place nowadays that our founding fathers would never have thought would happen from what they started. But they also likely would have thought that the internet was witchcraft.

The sad fact of the whole issue is that if it weren't for some religious zealot teachers who insist on forcing students to utter the entire pledge, including the references to god (thereby violating their rights), this would probably be a non-issue.

Yes, the email offended me. There's just so much more to this issue that what amounts to non-thinking sound bites.

[gumby]

8. Welcome to The New World Order.

Fundies have been fighting against the Constitution since it's inception.

The quotes you cited are nothing new. There is a huge industry devoted to "proving" that this is a Fundie Nation.

There are many, many resources on the web about this issue.

[kittykitty]

10. Not exactly! Check http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

[LoZoccolo]

13. That's it right there.

That's like the whole email on Snopes.

[SouthernDaisy]

12. let's start with the Madison misquote

Bill O'Liely was using the Madison misquote too...

>>>>>>>>
Bill O'Reilly
Background
Statement/Action

"Let’s take a look at those Ten Commandments. Boy, the federal courts don’t want you to see those on American Government property, no way. But wait, there’s a signpost up ahead. It was written by James Madison, the guiding force behind the language of the Constitution. Said Madison: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS"

Bill O'Reilly, Who's Looking Out For You?, pp. 116-117

Reasonable Inference

James Madison said this.

Contradictory Statement/Action

The source of this quote appears to be David Barton.

"No such quote has ever been found among any of James Madison's writings. None of the biographers of Madison, past or present, have ever run across such a quote. Apparently, Barton did not check the work of the secondary sources he quotes. (He has since admitted that the quote, like a number of others he's cited and that others have repeated, cannot be confirmed.) Robert Alley, distinguished historian at the University of Richmond, has written of his unsuccessful attempt to track down the origin of the Madison quote and about the implausibility of it as a Madison statement. ("Public Education and the Public Good," William and Mary Bill of Rights Journal, Summer 1995, pp. 316-318. )"

"It's a Free Country, Not Christian Nation",Ed Buckner, Ph. D
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.whoslying.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=60


AND

>>>>>>>>>
False "Ten Commandments" quote: The Joplin Globe, August 22, 2003
by Gene Garman

Dear Editor:

An August 13 letter is an excellent example as to why it is not wise to gullibly believe everything printed in letters to the editor. For example, the "Ten Commandments" quote, declared to be from the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, is false.

In a letter to me, dated November 23, 1993, Dr. David Mattern, of the University of Virginia and editor of The Papers of James Madison, wrote the following about the bogus "Ten Commandments" quotation:

"We did not find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment expressed in the extract you sent us. In addition, the idea is inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government, views which he expressed time and time again in public and in private."

...
>>>>>>>
http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/JoplinGlobe-82203.html

============
Hope this helps.

[cavanaghjam]

15. If I remember correctly

the founders, if one were to ascribe a common religious belief to the majority, would be called Deists, i.e. they believed something or someone started the whole thing (the universe, the earth, the solar system) spinning and left it to its own devices; hence the term "Creator" so often used.

[Sukie1941]

16. Religion in the Closet

In grade school during the flag pledge one of my classmates always got up and went into the "cloak closet" until we finished. I didn't understand why back then, but now I know she was Jehovah Witness.

I remember well when the "under god" was added to the pledge.

[gumby]

20. I 'believe' this is a very important fact

Jehovah's Witnesses children were targeted in this country for not saying The Pledge. Terrible things were done to them. Children were abused at the hands of "Christians." <cough,cough>

It is also important to note that Witnesses were targeted by Hitler. They were made to wear a purple (i thought it was yellow) triangle and ended up being taken to the camps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_triangle

I totally disagree with Witness dogma and even find it harmful -- look at Michael Jackson and his family for a clue. However, I know that they have been persecuted for a long time -- even in this country.

The next time a Witness comes to my door -- I'm always pleasant to them -- I am going to express my concern for them. Though they are forbidden to be political (they're non everything outside their closed circle) I will remind them I am familiar with the triangle that they were made to wear in Hitler's Germany and warn them that they might expect the same thing real soon.

[selmo7]

18. about "In God We Trust" on our money

interesting anecdote:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/dispatch/fathers_quote2.htm

"According to the U.S. Dept. of Treasury, the motto 'In God We Trust' came about not at the time of the Constitutional Conventions, but due to increased pressures to recognize God on coins and money during the Civil War. In April 22, 1864, Congress passed an Amendment authorizing the motto to be placed on the two-cent coin. It appeared on various coins throughout the years, and appeared on paper money in 1957. The phrase was eventually printed on all paper bills, superseding the motto "E Pluribus Unum" (From Many, One) adopted by the Union in 1782. "

and another link:
http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/founders.htm
"The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians
"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments."

[mastershake]

19. Well.. here is a thought..

I question the validity of the Madison quote, I think someone pointed out it's a fake. Many of the founders were Christian, but many of the prominent founders and some of our first president were not christians, and if not bordering on atheism they were deist who questioned religion.

As far as the Supreme Court and Moses.. the court also displays Confucius and Solon to represent others who were historical figures relating to law. So basically they were going for a historical look.. while I think nothing related to religion should be displayed... at the same time I view Moses as mythology.. no different the Aphrodite and Zeus... so no real big deal. It also isn't prominatly displayed from what I understand..

[pschoeb]

21. On the Supreme Court Building

it was built in 1935, so I'm not sure why it's decorations should be considered too important, it's not like it was built by the Founding Fathers.

The Main entrance, (West pediment)
According to Pamela Scott and Antoinette Lee, "in the pediment, Robert Aitken's central sculptural figures represent Liberty Enthroned Guarded by Order and Authority. They are attended by six allegorical figures symbolic of Counsel and Research who were modeled after Americans responsible for bringing the Sureme Court and its quarters into being, although they are all shown in Roman garb" (138). The inscription reads: "Equal Justice under Law." The men used as models for the smaller allegorical figures are Chief Justice Taft as a youth, Secretary of State Elihu Root, the architect Cass Gilbert, Chief Justice Hughes, the sculptor Aitken and Chief Justice Marshall as a young man.



Liberty(Libertas) was of course a Roman Goddess, so I guess using the logic of the e-mail writer, Roman polytheistic tradition is more important than Moses, as he got the back of the building, where there is no entrance. One of the main Roman symbol of Libertas was the red pileus, or the liberty cap, that Roman slaves recieved upon gaining their freedom. The liberty cap has always been an important American symbol.


The east pediment or back of the building (there is no entrance here, so this is the less veiwed side), has the historical great lawgivers sculptures by Herman A. McNeil, which has Moses, Solon, and Confucius. They all look outward, not towards Moses as the e-mail writer lies, the other allegorical human figures look towards all three, they represent Means of Enforcing the Law, Tempering Justice with Mercy, Carrying on Civilization, and Settlement of Disputes Between States. By the way the tablets in Moses hand are actually blank in the sculpture.


On the doors, the main Doors at the West Pediment are Bronze, they depict Greek, Roman and Anglo-Saxon law events. So I'm assuming the Oak doors are some interior doors. There are a set of Oak doors into the Main Chamber of the Supreme Court, that has a set of two tablets with roman numerals 1-10 inscribed on them, they are at the bottom of the door. The actual commandments do not appear.

Here's the whole door

Here's a closeup of the bottom of the doors


The depiction of the ten commandments on the wall of the Supreme Court, is in a frieze, it also include the depiction of Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, Augustus, Justinian, Mohammed, Charlemagne, King John, St. Louis, Hugo Grotius, William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon. Moses is holding blank tablets. The Moses figure is no larger or more important than any other lawgiver.

[Ardee]

24. Did you know

that using a phrase like "religious shit" is provocative and speaks volumes about your tolerance (or lack thereof) and so muddles the debate about separation of church and state as to make it far more polarized and difficult to resolve...thanks

[kayell]

25. First stop without rw spam - check snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

snip

Although the intent of this piece is presumably to demonstrate a government endorsement of Judeo-Christian tradition through the symbols and words used in U.S. federal buildings and the writings of America's founding fathers, nearly all of the information its presents is inaccurate or — when taken in its proper context — misleading.

As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view — it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!

* The United States Capitol does not house the Supreme Court of the United States. The Supreme Court has met in its own building since 1935.

* The two representations of Moses which adorn the Supreme Court building both present him in a context in which he is depicted as merely one of several historical exemplars of lawgivers, not as a religious figure. (This is why, for example, the Supreme Court of the United States rejected appeals to overturn a decision ordering the removal of a monument to the Ten Commandments from an Alabama courthouse — the monument did not present the Ten Commandments in a context other than as quotations of Biblical verse and was therefore deemed an unconstitutional state endorsement of religion.)

more

Copy the whole thing, then fire it back to your rw spammer. MAKE SURE YOU HIT THE REPLY TO ALL BUTTON. :evilgrin:

[Flammable Materials]

27. No, no, you don't understand.

These people no longer have brains. You can't rescue them with logic. They are worse than cult members. Cut them out of your life like a cancer. It's the only way you will remain sane.

[belle]

28. DID YOU KNOW? Your brain is about the size of a walnut?

love, one of the godless heathen who for some inexplicable reason appears to be on your mass email list.