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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:01 PM
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Lugar: "A concerted and forceful program of UKRAINIAN election-day fraud"
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 01:06 PM by nostamj
on edit: SORRY! read it too fast. very deceptive. bad Greggy!!


just received from Greg Palast's site:

REPUBLICAN CHALLENGES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BASED ON EXIT POLLS
Tuesday, November 23, 2004
from the New York Times

An international election observer mission - from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the European Parliament, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and the Council of Europe - released a preliminary report on Monday declaring that the election did not meet democratic standards.

The observers' findings were seconded by Republican Senator Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Citing the disturbing fact that official results diverged sharply from a range of surveys of voters at polling places, Lugar said, "A concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities."

Other prominent Western observers were unsparing in their criticism of the state's conduct of the election.

"Fundamental flaws in Ukraine's presidential election process subverted its legitimacy," the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, sponsored by the Democratic Party in the United States, declared in its preliminary report. The institute, cited "systematic intimidation, overt manipulation and blatant fraud" that were "designed to achieve a specific outcome irrespective of the will of the people."
-- New York Times

From GregPalast.com: This reporter was unable to reach Senator Lugar regarding the inconsistency of official election results and exit polls in the USA; the intimidation of minority voters in Florida and Ohio; nor the failure to count two million ballots cast, half by African-American voters, in America's first post-democratic election held earlier this month.

Eastern bloc observers noted that balloting in Ohio, New Mexico and Florida did not meet Ukrainian standards, but applauded America's attempt to restore democratic institutions after the overthrow of elected government in 2000.

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Greg Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, now available on a 5 CD audio set read by Ed Asner, Alec Baldwin, Jello Biafra, Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo, Amy Goodman, Jim Hightower, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Alexandra Paul and Shiva Rose.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:02 PM
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1. Wow!
This sounds like a dream come true, a REPUBLICAN calling the election a FRAUD!!! Wow, I thought this wouldn't happen!
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:04 PM
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3. edit: self delete
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 01:04 PM by nickinSTL
n/t
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:04 PM
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4. He was talking about the Ukrainian election
Funny how their exit polls are reason to call for fraud but we should get rid of ours. Real funny.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:03 PM
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2. No Wow! till it's breaking news on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN...
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:04 PM
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5. How dare he?
Claim fraud in the Ukraine, and none here?

Our country has ZERO credibility with anyone on Earth.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:07 PM
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10. The "experts" are dancing around the exit poll discrepancies
I called into a Minnesota Public Radio program a few days ago when the guests were "experts" on election integrity.

In talking about the exit polls, one of them said that exit polls have always been the most reliable predictors of an election's outcome. However, this year, "there must have been something wrong with the methodology." :grr:

Unfortunately, he said that after I had finished my call (which was about how I wouldn't trust an bank ATM that didn't give a receipt and that I had personally experienced cases in which the ATM failed to record my deposit), so I couldn't respond.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:05 PM
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6. I'm sure this will be all over the news by tonight
Whoa, sometimes I get really delusional and say stupid things. Don't mind me.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:05 PM
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7. Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:07 PM
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8. maybe we should all be calling Lugar
and keep it up until we get an answer...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:07 PM
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9. OMG! Not just a Republican but RICHARD LUGAR! Nevermind...
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 01:08 PM by mzmolly
just realized it's about another FRIGGIN country.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:13 PM
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11. He doesnt see the irony?
Is this a widespread republican disease?
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kostya Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:21 PM
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12. Kick
:kick:
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 01:21 PM
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13. OH THE DARK IRONY!!! I can't help but laugh...
my ass off...

Geez, a problem with exit polling? Fraud? WHODATHUNK???? NO WAY!!!

The whole fucking world is turned upside down.. we've gone down the rabbit hole.
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