In the living room,covered in blood,a church hymn playing in the background

[NNN0LHI]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBS3U4TW1E.html
Mother Who Admitted Severing Baby's Arms Similar to Other Texas Cases


<snip>Dena Schlosser, 35, was charged with capital murder Monday after calmly telling a 911 operator that she had cut off the arms of 11-month-old Margaret. Police found Schlosser sitting in her living room, covered in blood, a church hymn playing in the background.

Schlosser's husband, John, told an official with Texas' Family and Protective Services that his wife had referenced a Bible scripture the night before the killing and said she wanted to "give her children to God," according to an affidavit that led a judge to award the agency temporary custody of the couple's two older children.

Schlosser had a history of postpartum depression, a disorder that can occur in women after they give birth.

Her mental history and her 911 confession are similar to Yates. And the method Schlosser used shared the bizarre, brutal nature of Laney's rocks and Yates' systematic drowning.

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[Moderator]

5. Locking.

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[LoZoccolo]

6. I don't think the whole thread is.

These two replies are, but the issue in the article is serious.

[jdj]

1. They need to try these husbands for negligence.

If they are going to hold women accountable for drug use and drinking
during pregnancy then WHY THE HELL is this man and Andrea Yates huzzbin not behind bars. They ought to be shot,there has to be a law for failure to protect your child, criminal negligence, reckless endangerment, SOMETHING, these kids lives were worth Daddy popping his fucking head out of his ass for a minute or two, and getting them to safety.

[neebob]

4. There's something seriously wrong with Rusty Yates

and Andrea, too, I'm sure, after years of marriage to him. I don't believe it was post-partum depression. Which is not to say I don't think she's to blame for what she did. OK, everyone flame me now. :)

[Joy Anne]

7. I agree with you

She'd had multiple prior episodes of postpartum depression, so why did he think having lots more kids was such a great idea? And when she was suffering yet again with postpartum depression, why did he want her to home school all those children? I still think he should have been indicted for something.

[LoZoccolo]

10. I have trouble believing his surprise that it happened too.

I saw some video of him afterward like he was stunned at this, and I'm like, sir, you were in deep fucking denial telling her that he hoped she could get back from the institution soon so she could have more babies.

[UNIXcock]

3. Oh, I thought this was going to be a KILL BILL II thread

... :evilgrin:

[jdj]

8. I'm doing this just to see if it's locked.

It sad it was locked, but it's kicking.

[jdj]

9. um, it's not locked. is it unlocked?

[villagechild]

11. have a heart

please. this subject should be treated with the utmost compassion and intelligence. It's extremely traumatic for anyone reading it, much more so for anyone that's experienced childhood trauma. The subject line was grossly explotive. My 2 cents.

[jdj]

12. I didn't post the thread. I have a heart. If I had a gun I

might shoot the Dads in these cases for not protecting their kids. I grew up religious and I know exactly what kind of religious denial caused these families to endanger their children, it was the same kind that allowed my mother to send 3 of her kids off to stay with our grandfather unsupervised although he had sexually abused her from the age of 3 until 18, because she had "forgiven" him. Of course he sexually assaulted all of us, although I blocked out much of that week I was informed on my first gyno visit that I am scarred internally. Don't tell me to have a heart.

The judicial system needs to get some balls and prosecute these men. We're all about Daddy lately, every freaking crime in society is supposedly because of the lack of him, but what good is he when he had every fore-warning of these crimes and DID NOTHING???

I don't understand your reply, so you're catching a rant. If you have a problem with the header please p.m. the person who posted it.

[villagechild]

13. didn't post the thread

My comment was directed at whomever posted the thread - and to the "kicks". I ain't getting any kicks from this subject.

From the emotional tone of your message, I'd say --If you had a gun, you'd be dangerous.

[jdj]

14. then hit reply on the original post, not on my post

Sorry if my "emotional tone" scares you. Some people give a damn about these kids.

[villagechild]

15. tone vs substance

jdj. Shoot men. Your solution sucked.

[jdj]

18. get a life.

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[jdj]

24. you are more concerned about my reaction over a tortured

and murdered child than you are over the child herself???

wow, them "moral values" must be getting to you.

[villagechild]

32. think rationally

This subject, posted in this way, was meant to inflame: "In the living room,covered in blood,a church hymn playing in the background". Give me a break. Are we doing hollywood or humanity?!

I understand your emotional re-action to this news (which you may have already heard), and your instinct's were primitive - - get a gun, shoot someone. It's so hard not to think that way!

[underseasurveyor]

17. I didn't think the subject line was grossly explotive.

MY 2 cents!

[jdj]

20. it's the new p.c., if they had said "a liberal screed droning in the back-

ground" it would have been okay. Now we are being assaulted by the eviljailankill xtians with their more-oil values, so that kind of header is so Nov. 1st.

[underseasurveyor]

21. heh heh good one

I said earlier in another thread, The Gloves are OFF with these how'd you put it, "eviljailankills with their more-oil values"

So perfect ;-) that's one to remember :thumbsup:

[underseasurveyor]

16. I'll never understand it.

How a belief system can get so outta hand that you imagine it's a positive thing to kill your own babies. I just can't fathom it, not in a million years :-( Not that I don't feel any compassion for people suffering depression I do, but I'll never understand killing your own children. For a child that is the ultimate betrayal.
It's all so sad.

[RagingInMiami]

19. At least she had "morals"

[villagechild]

23. fuck morals

how about some common sence.

[jdj]

25. what are you saying, the mother didn't excersize common sense?

WTF?

[Sleepless In NY]

28. LOL!

Sorry I know it's not funny, but your post was!

[chefgirl]

26. I also find it hard to understand

How a belief system can get so out of hand that the husbands couldn't bother to wake up to the reality of what their wives were going through and get them appropriate medical attention, rather than 'turning it over to God'.

I agree with the posters who said that the husbands should bear some responsibility in these kinds of situations. They should, at the very least, be investigated as to what steps they took to attempt to prevent the situation in the first place.

I also think its high time for the psychiatric community to embark on some serious research into the effects of constrictive religious precepts on persons who are known to be predisposed to delusional behavior, such as postpartum mothers, etc...

I fear that with the fundamentalists having gained such prominence in this country recently, we are going to be seeing this kind of thing happening more and more often.

So sick and so tragic.

-chef-

[Stephanie]

27. It's not the belief system. The person was insane.

The woman was insane. It doesn't matter what music she was playing or what she said the reason was. The simple fact that she did it proves that she is out of her mind. It doesn't matter if she was listening to hymms or Eminem, the diagnosis is the same.

[Sleepless In NY]

29. uh, oh! I was laughing at RagingInMiami's post....

Sorry it came up in the wrong place! Know its not a funny situation, but that post was.

[villagechild]

33. insane

Thank you Stephanie. You said that much better than I did.

[underseasurveyor]

34. Point taken but it was part of it.

Not blaming the entire 'belief system' she had but it was obviously a part of her reasoning to kill her baby.

[villagechild]

39. nothing is obvious

they will probably give her the electric chair on high moral grounds, and miss the all the reasons why something so savage and sad could have happened to two human beings. best we can hope is that it goes to the Supreme Court, and we still have a liberal judge or two to hear the facts. insanity is real. it can't be cured with more violence.

[Cheswick2.0]

67. not that is not obvious at all

non religious people suffer from insanity too. Non religious sometimes tragically kill their children when they go insane. Post partum psychosis is an equal opportunity desease. Sometimes non religious people fail to get their loved ones the help they need. Unless you have experienced the process of a family members sinking into insanity you might want to pass on judging and educate yourself instead.

[underseasurveyor]

78. Yes but were not talking about all mental illnesses

Just this poor family as it applies to her, her husband, and to the murdered baby in this case. I am quite aware of the many forms and the degrees and the varying levels of mental illness that exist. They can't be lumped into one, either your mentally ill or not. However as it applies to this particular family, religion appears to be the 'secondary infection' (if you will) that exacerbated the primary illness to the extent that she killed her own child for what ever her reasons or delusions.

In my family there are or were a couple different types of narcissists, manic-depressives, border line personality disorder which is more of a general term because BPD has many variants and manifests itself in different ways and yes we see her sinking deeper with each passing year and an uncle that could become quite psychotic and anti-social at times. Few are/were extremes like a grandfather of mine, who was a sick, sick cruel evil man, but most function fairly normally. And yet not a one of them have ever killed. But now that I think about it, my grandfather gave up religion as a grown man and his father was a strict minister. Was his religious upbringing why my g-father was so messed up in the head despite being a brilliant MD? Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it. He could have just been a naturally born sick fuck. We'll never know for sure but I can speculate because he was after all one of the last persons raised with any type of organized religion in our family since the early - mid 1900's and he was the only one that I am aware of to exhibit such extreme sick behaviors. Co-incidence? :shrug:

So while I am yet unwilling to say that religion is entirely to blame it most certainly does exacerbate an already volatile situation. As it applies to this particular case. No judgments and I do have close personal experiences with mental illness.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. the sounds of silence

But you can bet if Eminem or rap was playing in the background there would be more congressional hearings about the influence of "that" music! Perhaps she is crazy, the jury will decide (if she stands trial). I guess for me, I am surprised at the lack of compassion for the child, the victim. The mother may have been one too, but that is still to be determined, but we know the child is one for sure!

[villagechild]

41. compassion

would you be able to look me in the face after telling me this tragic story, and say I had no compassion for this little child? plain foolish for you to suggest that I don't see or feel or care. it's gut wrenching, worse than combat. worse than anything my little pea sized brain can even fathom. what would satisy you, to know I care about that little 11 month old child? I don't even want to think about it. It's beyond my coping skills. I must be damaged becuase it's really hard to read this story, and still find a reason to remain here on this **^^%$# planet.

[Behind the Aegis]

43. I think you are a little confused

I didn't respond to you, nor did I imply you didn't have compassion for the child. I looked at the thread and my post falls right below yours, but it was in response to another poster. There are a few people here who seem to rather defend the mother and her actions, than look at the crime itself. I can understand that impulse too. It is not just this thread, there was one similar on DU earlier that had some pretty harsh comments, so I was also commenting on that one as well.

I am sorry you took my post as a personal attack on you. It was not. And, if you are having as much trouble coping with this, you really need to see a counselor, at least for one session. Don't let someone else's inhumanity send you into despair. Talk it out with a professional, barring that, talk this out with a close friend!

[villagechild]

44. thanks,

I'll talk with my counselor about it this week. I'm new here, so I haven't got all the bells and whistles figured out.

[Behind the Aegis]

47. s'alright!

It's OK. It took me awhile. If you look in the upper right hand corner of the post you can tell you the person was responding to. Take your time, you'll get the hang of it! :)

On another note, I am very pleased to hear you have a counselor. I worked as one and your post slightly alarmed me. If you are having mental issues (I am making a guess here because of other posts I read that you made), something that helped me was keeping a journal. Even if you only write a paragraph, it can really help! Don't give up! Keep your head up and don't ever shy away from asking for help!

Brightest Blessings!

[villagechild]

50. counseling

yeah, i'm one of the lucky ones. the va pays for my therapy. tell me though, do you normally suggest counseling to all emotional people, or just the one's that talk about having a hard time livin'? I read some folks talking about killin', but that didn't get the same responce from you. just curious.

[Behind the Aegis]

54. context

I am with you on the need for everyone that needs it, to get counseling..and GOOD counseling!

I worked with college students, so my experiences ran the gamut. If anyone made my arm hair rise, that was a sign for me! On the intellectual level, I could tell if someone was crying out for help or attention. I am not perfect, so some, from both camps, have slipped past me.

The post where the person talked about wanting to kill the dad was a little concerning, but it seemed more like a "wishful" thing, than a serious threat. S/he was blowing off steam and expressing frustration. Your post, however, I read a sense of dread in it. So, before I posted my suggestion, I looked at a few of your other posts in this thread. Not the most scientific method, but you seemed very upset; it carried in your words.

Reading things on the Internet is difficult because there is no inflection, nor facial or gestural clues, so I have to go with my gut. I didn't mean to embarrass you and after I had posted thought I should have PM'ed you, but I felt that might "invade your space." You also seemed willing to discuss, openly, your concerns and issues, so I am hoping someone else who may be feeling like you and is reading this thread, will also seek help.

Again, if I embarrassed you or hurt your feelings, it was not my intention!

[villagechild]

57. heart on my sleeve

someone had accused me of caring more for the mother, than the child. someone made a judgement call, and I wanted to convey some depth of feeling. We are all related, when something happens to one of us, it happens to us all. Separation is an illusion. I understood her feelings too, and I have had my share of similar homocidal urges! Also, her premise that the "men" are responsible for the horrific and systematic abuse of women is correct!! Religion has kkept women severely oppressed! But the solution may be more compassion understanding, not less. I don't have all the answers. Hard enough asking the right questions. I don't think Religion is the answer (it may be a blight), but a healthy spiritualy might help!

[Behind the Aegis]

60. i can understand that

I try to feel compassion for all kinds of people. There is nothing wrong with that. However, when we become so empathetic that others' issues effect us as much as the original person, a problem may exist.

Religion can be a crutch for people. They get caught up in the "rules" and not the spirit of it. It has been used to oppress multitudes of people and that is sad.

I hope, one day, people will be willing to live as they preach and also be able to let others live their lives in peace. We do need to look after one another, but we also need to learn when to step back.

I understand your frustrations with this topic. It is beyond sad.

[chefgirl]

38. If you think

If you think that believing in a set of religious guidlines , to the point of killing your own child, ISN'T insane, then I don't know what the hell is.
You're right, it has nothing to do with the music that was playing in the background, it has to do with her saying that she was sending her child to God. The prevailing idea with these people is to 'kill' their children while they are still 'pure' and untainted by sin.

There are many ways to be 'insane', but too many times I've seen blind loyalty to their religion and their preachers and to Christian peer pressure drive people to become at least delusional, if not clinically insane.

There was a very famous case in N.J. many years ago wherein a very strict Lutheran man killed his entire family (wife, mother and three kids) and said that the reason was because he wanted to be sure that they would go to heaven before they had a chance to become corrupted by life.

I call that kind of thinking a special kind of insanity, COMPLETELY induced by religion.

-chef-

[Stephanie]

45. It's a chicken or the egg question

Did her religious fanaticism make her insane, or did her insanity create her extremist religious ideas?

[janx]

48. The extremist religious ideas are already out there.

(And I'm not talking about average American Christianity.)

The extremism is there, but when it's combined with neglected mental illness, something just seems to explode.

[Cheswick2.0]

68. sorry but that's nuts

It looks to me like you are a chef, not a phsychiatrist.
The man was insane and insanity is not caused by religion.

[chefgirl]

74. Yes, I am a chef

I also happen to have spent my entire childhood in Catholic schools.
I have seen all manner of so called Christians, from those who would only refer to themselves as 'spiritual' all the way to the flaming fucking nutcase 'fundies'.

I never claimed to be a psychiatrist, but I DO have a certain wealth of experience with the mindset that leads many of the most rabid Christian fundamentalists to commit any number of acts that the normal person would consider 'nuts'.
The man I was speaking of, in the post you replied to, fled the scene and spent the next 20 odd years functioning perfectly well within another community (IIRC, it was in Arizona, but don't quote me on that one) before he was eventually tracked down and put on trial. So, how 'insane' was he without the religious component?

Thanks for your very clinical evaluation of my comments, but I would guess you are not a psychiatrist either, so what would make your opinion any more valid than mine in this case?? At least my opinion was based on personal experiences with and observations of a fair amount of fundamentalists.
Simply dismissing that religious beliefs can be the cause of this kind of behavior is dangerous, IMO. You may call me nuts all you want, but my eyes have been opened to this particular brand of religious zealotry for a lot of years, and I stand by my opinion.

For the record, although I no longer attend Catholic church, mainly because of the influence that man made doctrine has had on the original intent of Christianity, I DO still proudly identify myself as a Christian, and I have NO problem believing, because I've seen it with my own eyes, that a person can very easily be swayed into irrational behavior with no more fuel than some, albeit deeply held, twisted religious belief.

I would grant, as I did in another reply in this thread, that religion MAY not have been the cause of this womans abhorrent behavior, however, the evidence at the scene of the crime, and frankly, my personal experiences with people who think this way, lead me to believe that is exactly the case.

-chef-

[villagechild]

30. belief system

inference and conjecture. you are suggesting that her Christian religious belief system caused her to mutilate her child. You are suggesting her religion caused her to kill her baby. I would argue that her mental illness caused this grossly abnormal behavior. As difficult as it may seem, the defence of mental illness (with or without religion) should enter your mind. Her innocent child is dead. Betrayed, not only by the mother, but by a disease that may have been treated. More children will die horrible deaths unless and until the NATIONAL CRISIS of affordable, available and appropriate mental health services is dealt with. Her soul is already a living death (if she even knows what she did), the questions remains: how to prevent the same.

[Stephanie]

31. I hear that Bush plans to screen every American

for mental illness, and then medicate those diagnosed with abnormalities.

[villagechild]

37. screen every American

It wouldn't be cost effective to implement this kind of plan.

The NAMI organization does scares me some, that door to door med check would send me packing!!

Some people do need medications to control their mental illness. Psychiatry has made some great strides. Hey, they don't do labotomies anymore, at least not legally.

The pharmacies are making a killing on mental illness, and may be contributing to the problem, but for many suffering from mental illness, it's the cost of meds that is the crime, not the medicine itself.

Nuerotics probably don't need meds, it's optional, but violent psychotics do. Would you rather the US starting building Mental Institutions again . . . I know I wouldn't.

[Joy Anne]

71. NAMI

Why does it scare you some? I have a friend very active in the group, so I've contributed, but I don't really know anything about it.

(I have a master's in counseling. I haven't worked for pay in the field for 20 years, but I find myself doing a lot of impromptu therapy online.)

[villagechild]

76. NAMI

I said forced medication scares me. It's at odds with our most basic liberties. I suppose the choice of lock down or medication is a no brainer, but in cases where the individual has been misdiagnosed, forcing anti-psychotic medications is downright scary!


March 3, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments to decide if the government can administer anti-psychotic medication against a defendant's will to help render him competent to stand trial for nonviolent offenses, or whether that violates the defendant's rights under the First, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution.

The case involves a Missouri dentist named Charles Thomas Sell, who was charged with Medicaid fraud in 1997. Dr. Sell also has been diagnosed with paranoid delusional disorder and ruled incompetent to stand trial. But he has refused the government-ordered anti-psychotic medication, claiming such drugs interfere with his thinking and have serious side effects.

"Typically, forced drugging is reserved for extreme cases where someone will likely cause harm to himself or others if he is not medicated. A lower court has already found that Dr. Sell poses no danger to himself or others," reports the Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics (CCLE). The organization also notes, "the side effects of anti-psychotic drugs can be so agonizing that patients often find them harder to bear than their illness. Therefore even people whose illness causes them to behave irrationally can have very rational reasons for refusing these drugs." http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publications/Informed/ForcedMedication.html

[Joy Anne]

77. OK, I thought you meant NAMI scared you

Anybody who isn't scared by forced medication is my candidate for first in line for same.

[underseasurveyor]

36. Nope

But a part of her mentally ill delusion and depression was that her child should be with god. Her personal beliefs did play a part of why she did what she did. Not the sole reason.

[chefgirl]

40. I wouldn't even equivocate as much as you have

Sorry, but I've seen religion send otherwise 'normal' people into an almost otherworldly denial of right and wrong, of reality and common sense.
I've too often seen blind loyalty to religious dogma lead people down the path toward denial of their own sense of conscience, simply because some preacher planted some idea in their head that they are afraid to question for fear of being ostracized or called unChristian.

This woman may very well have been insane to begin with, but given the evidence at the scene, Im placing my bets on delusional religious fervor.

-chef-

[villagechild]

42. religious fervor

I don't think religion is rational.

[underseasurveyor]

52. I have no religious background what so ever

Thank goodness. I've never been baptized or any of that kinda stuff. A pure natures child ;-) I know people do think and do some pretty weird shit because of the way they have been indoctrinated by their parents, church or whatever. But there has to be something else in their make-up to throw them over the edge like that, doesn't it?

Being a sufferer of depression myself, religion might just throw me over the edge if I were in one of my real down moods. But then since I'm not religious, and certainly nothing else has ever thrown me over the edge like that, I couldn't imagine ever killing my children. But if I were not a depression sufferer would religious beliefs be enough in and of itself for me to kill my kids? Like I said I just don't understand it.

I just know that I am sick of the hypocrisy of it all. Thou shall not kill and then they do. Among other things too.

[Cheswick2.0]

70. people who are mentally ill often bring religion into their sickness

even if they were not raised with it. They are sick and searching. That doesn't mean religion caused her illness or the murder of her daughter.

[Stephanie]

75. My friend, in a manic episode, thought he was Jesus

He also thought he could fly. He had not been religious before that episode. This is a common manifestation of mental illness.

[janx]

46. There is something cultish and seriously wrong going on

in Texas--and probably elsewhere. This isn't Chrisianity. It's some kind of sick and twisted cult. When mental illness is thrown into the mix, Lord help us.

[ebayfool]

63. 'This isn't Chrisianity' - Ahh, but it is ....

having been raised in that kind of atmosphere, I would say it is. The sacrificing of your child was frequently held up on Sundays as the pinnacle of a good, god-fearing christian making the ultimate sacrifice and shown by examples in the bible from god sacrificing his 'only son' through moses, on & on. Anywhere else (any other cult) it would be called brainwashing, in mainstream churches it's accepted as preaching the word.

my opinion & my experience

[janx]

64. Sorry you had that experience. I never did.

[ebayfool]

66. You're not missing much ...

Sunday night foot washings (course it was always younger females washing old man feets, ewww, to learn & demonstrate humility - always wondered why we had to show humility but not the old men. Course asking that got you a whipping, can't beat that good ol' freewill southern baptist upbringing! I had the great pleasure of the old pastor of the church I was forced to attend as a child showing up at my door a cuple months back trying to recruit, wanna bet I didn't feel a GREAT sense of relief by the time I got through w/him & slamming the door in his face?

[janx]

69. But that was not the Christianity that I knew as a kid...

granted, I don't have a great history in organized religion, but what I did have was fairly positive.

And I am proud to say that it consisted of some early upbringing in the Congregational denomination, along with mainstream visits and ties to Presbyterians.

Good music, good literature, and very good people.

Edit: I left out Jews and my learning from Jews.

[Joy Anne]

72. Come on back

to the church of Howard Dean, Bob Graham, and Barack Obama. The door is always open.

[RevolutionaryActs]

49. I feel so sick now. What the hell is wrong with this country? This world?

:scared:

[villagechild]

53. dirty old tired world

this beautiful amazing fragile mysterious exquisite planet. I just love this place, wouldn't want to live anywhere else. even if they found life on another plant. this one feels like home.

except when things like this happen.

peace please!

[Bluebear]

51. "Police say couple planned to 'sacrifice' three children on church altar"

ROCHESTER, N.H. Police in New Hampshire have arrested a woman and her boyfriend for allegedly planning to sacrifice the woman's three children on a church altar.
Police say they arrested the couple Wednesday after church workers reported hearing the woman say she wanted to sacrifice the boys. One employee said, "We could tell this woman was not right."

The boys, ranging in ages from two to nine, were not harmed. They've been placed in state custody.

Nicole Mancini and John Thurber have each been arraigned on three counts of child endangerment. Thurber was also charged with possession of marijuana. Police say he is the father of the youngest boy.

http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=2561406
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[janx]

55. There's that, there's the Yates family, there's the woman in

Texas who clubbed her kids with rocks because she was mentally ill and in a Christian cult, another woman who drowned her daughters for "theological" reasons; there were even some crazies who beheaded some kids down there and blamed it on God.

There is definitely some very extreme, cult behavior going on. And I can't help wondering if these women (they are primarily women) are reacting in some way to being repressed, or maybe, in their illness, they react violently because they want to have some sense of control.

I did some reviewing today of the Yates case and a couple of others. The cult-like situation is there in every instance. So is mental illness, of course.

[underseasurveyor]

56. Can you imagine finding out that your own parent (step parent?)

Planned on killing you and all your siblings? How does one ever come to terms with that? Being abandoned or adopted or left behind with a relative is traumatic enough, but to find out that your own mother had actively planned to kill you. What a fucking nightmare.

[villagechild]

58. self delete

[villagechild]

59. another self delete

[leftofthedial]

61. post-partum depression is just an awful thing

purely awful


especially in cults that marginalize women and promote indiscriminate breeding

[janx]

62. I don't buy this part of the article:

The severed arms case will certainly add to the media attention on the issue. But DePaul University law professor Michelle Oberman, who has written extensively on mothers who kill their children, said Texas may be bringing some of the attention on itself with the way it prosecutes such cases.

"It gears up the criminal justice system for a death penalty prosecution, rather than approaching the cases as instances of profound mental illness," Oberman said.

In the case of Yates and also the case of the woman who bludgeoned her children to death, no death sentence prevailed. One is in prison for a life sentence (40 years or so), and the other is in an institution.

[readmoreoften]

65. Funny, you never hear about gay folks murdering their kids

in sick ritualistic killings. But apparently we queers aren't safe around the children. If two gay mothers like this woman and Yates killed their children it'd be like OJ Simpson sized news.

I have a theory that all this "Satanic Ritual Abuse" that the RWers blather about is actually caused by insanely religious christian parents who 'fall' and go into a psychosis where they 'become' the satanists they fear so much (or that they envy so much, depending on how they look at it.)

I lived in Texas for 6 years and I started meeting some of these people. They are in a cult. They are in a psychosis. They are dangerous. They prey on the weak and their eyes are haunted. It's really terrifying.

[ObaMania]

73. Only in Texas!

It seems all that freaky shit happens there.

Can any TX DUer's tell me what's wrong with the people there?

F&*king freaks.

[Lizzie Borden]

79. This woman needed help

and for whatever reason, she did'nt get it. Post partum depression is a genuine illness. It is well reconized and treated in Europe. Thus much of the stigma has been undone and people feel freer to get help. In America we are so ready to judge these women. Sometimes American culture is so juevenile.