The CIA could be reading this

[proud2BlibKansan]

HOMELAND INSECURITY
Chat rooms targeted
in hunt for terrorists
CIA reportedly funding research into surveillance of discussions
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Posted: November 25, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com




As part of the effort to keep America secure from future acts of violence, the U.S. is looking at monitoring Internet chat rooms to identify potential terrorists.

According to CNET News.com, the CIA is quietly funding research into surveillance of online discussion halls.

In April 2003, the intelligence agency reportedly agreed to finance a series of research projects that newly disclosed government documents indicate were intended to create "new capabilities to combat terrorism through advanced technology."



One of the projects at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., centers on profiling the behavior of those who talk in chat rooms.

The money is said to come from the National Science Foundation, but the CIA was part of the process for choosing which parties would receive the research grants.

It's unclear, though, how far into the future the CIA will continue its relationship, as an official said the two-year agreement was unlikely to be renewed for the 2005 fiscal year.

"Probably we won't be working with the CIA anymore at all," NSF program director Leland Jameson told CNET. "I think that people have moved on to other things."

The disclosure of the CIA's involvement is raising the eyebrows of some privacy advocates.

"The intelligence community is changing the priorities of scientific research in the U.S.," Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, or EPIC, told CNET. "You have to be careful that the National Science Foundation doesn't become the National Spy Foundation."

But Al Teich, director of science and policy programs at the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said he doesn't have a problem with the CIA's financing of research on terrorism in general.

"I don't know about chat-room surveillance, but doing research on issues related to terrorism is certainly legitimate," Teich said. "Whether the CIA ought to be funding research in universities in a clandestine manner is a different issue.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41644

[Sannum]

1. Hello Mr. CIA Guy!

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Should we offer him a piece of pumpkin pie?

To show him we really are nice people?

[Sannum]

9. Sure!!

Mr. CIA guy, do you want whipped cream?:7

[regnaD kciN]

43. P.S.: Your new boss is a MORAN!

:evilgrin:

[havocmom]

2. Du under all sorts of surveillance by all sorts of people

ever google your screen name? You might be surprised at who has your quotes on their blogs ;)

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. What a let down

My google search shows only 6 entries here on DU. :(

[Taxloss]

6. That's one of the reasons my screen name

is a popular song.

Dig through all the lyrics sites, snoopers ...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. You can google your screen name?

I learn something every time I log on here.

Goodle my screen name?

Really?

Here goes ...................

<back>

I DO NOT FUCKING BELIEVE THESE ASSHOLES:

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002858;p=1

Do they have lives?

OldLeftieLawyer is just getting revved up.

The fucks.

[havocmom]

27. LOL Think how much trouble they'd get into if watching US didn't take up

so much of their time ;) See, we are doing a public service by giving them busy work! :D

Now, google your phone number (area code & number). Used to be that would bring up your name and ADDRESS! They did have an opt-out link for you to get your phone # off google. Haven't done it in a long while so I don't know if that is still going on.

This is one reason I was not tickled with the "my Name is" posts after the election. There are a lot of creeps out there who think they have a mission. Hate to think of any of us getting ambushed and clobbered like that incident Mr. Pitt had with the cobblestone wielding assailant.

While I refuse to live my life in fear, I think a bit of caution is good. There are some rather unbalanced people out there in the ether. The delusion about 'mandate' will embolden some of the hater monger/bully/cowards. Best to keep that in mind.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

5. The CIA could be reading this? Are you suggesting that..

..the dialogue that goes on at DU is similar to that of terrorist chatter?

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Hell no I am not suggesting that

but I think that's the inference in this article.

[Taxloss]

13. Psst

We're going to be getting a load of books out of the Des Moines Public Library and then NOT RETURNING THEM next week. Seriously, this has been approved by Bin Laden.

[proudbluestater]

31. Hello Patriot Act, Good bye Privacy

Of course you've heard that Big Brother can subpoena the list of books you've checked out, right?

[ilovenicepeople]

18. Patriot Act II section 102 of the police state bill

would make it a crime to ingage in any information gathering,meaning that people who gather news headlines on the Internet would suddenly be deemed criminals and terrorists.:scared: How many here have bookmarked a few interesting articles?:scared:

[regnaD kciN]

42. You might want to get your facts straight. Section 102...

...specifically refers to "clandestine information-gathering." Bookmarking interesting articles certainly wouldn't qualify.

[Massacure]

26. No, but pretty soon they will be ordered to purge the liberals...

[Chimpanzee]

7. I've got nothing to hide....

:scared:

[Solitaire]

8. Hi to the CIA!!!

I'll tell my Dad you guys are here. He fought in WW II, in the Pacific, for our freedoms. He'll be happy to know you are making sure we are all safe!!!

:hi:

[kedrys]

10. Note to eavesdroppers...

...and to any federales who may or may not be reading this board, f*#% you AND you.

So there.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. Hey, Mr. CIA guy

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. I second that

[Taxloss]

17. What he said.

eom

[njdemocrat106]

32. You tell 'em, Mr. Cash!

[bvar22]

14. ^

[Red State Blues]

19. You Think! nt.

[spotbird]

20. I certainly hope they are reading this.

Some really scary things are said here.

[NAO]

21. Could Be? They ARE! - it's being processed in real-time with AI

The Total Information Awareness Project of the Information Awareness Office, previously known as ECHELON, PROMIS, et al., is collecting, collating and analyzing all electronic information in real time.

Each post you make here is entered into your file, along with your 'permanent record' from grade school, your utilities, your bank account, and how much ice cream you ate last week (remember that 'club card' at the grocery store?). If you go on a diet, they know it before you tell your family.

This flowchart is a simple but effective diagram of the basic idea. It is from the (no longer public) website of the Total Information Awareness Project, archived at The Memory Hole.



Total Information Awareness
http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/tia/tia-original.htm

Program Objective:

The Total Information Awareness (TIA) program is a FY02 new-start program. The goal of the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program is to revolutionize the ability of the United States to detect, classify and identify foreign terrorists – and decipher their plans – and thereby enable the U.S. to take timely action to successfully preempt and defeat terrorist acts. To that end, the TIA program objective is to create a counter-terrorism information system that: (1) increases information coverage by an order of magnitude, and affords easy future scaling; (2) provides focused warnings within an hour after a triggering event occurs or an evidence threshold is passed; (3) can automatically queue analysts based on partial pattern matches and has patterns that cover 90% of all previously known foreign terrorist attacks; and, (4) supports collaboration, analytical reasoning and information sharing so that analysts can hypothesize, test and propose theories and mitigating strategies about possible futures, so decision-makers can effectively evaluate the impact of current or future policies and prospective courses of action.

Program Strategy:

The TIA program strategy is to integrate technologies developed by DARPA (and elsewhere as appropriate) into a series of increasingly powerful prototype systems that can be stress-tested in operationally relevant environments, using real-time feedback to refine concepts of operation and performance requirements down to the component level. The TIA program will develop and integrate information technologies into fully functional, leave-behind prototypes that are reliable, easy to install, and packaged with documentation and source code (though not necessarily complete in terms of desired features) that will enable the intelligence community to evaluate new technologies through experimentation, and rapidly transition it to operational use, as appropriate. Accordingly, the TIA program will work in close collaboration with one or more U.S. intelligence agencies that will provide operational guidance and technology evaluation, and act as TIA system transition partners.

Technically, the TIA program is focusing on the development of: 1) architectures for a large-scale counter-terrorism database, for system elements associated with database population, and for integrating algorithms and mixed-initiative analytical tools; 2) novel methods for populating the database from existing sources, create innovative new sources, and invent new algorithms for mining, combining, and refining information for subsequent inclusion into the database; and, 3) revolutionary new models, algorithms, methods, tools, and techniques for analyzing and correlating information in the database to derive actionable intelligence.

More on TIA:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao/iao-original.htm

The official logo (no longer public) is nicely done and really does give a warm fuzzy feel to all:

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. So this kind of info gathering is possible

but we can't get secure computer programs to count our vote accurately?

[NAO]

29. Depends on what you mean by "accurately"

I'd wager that the election results came within 99.99% of the bid specification. That's what they call 'precision engineering' - because RESULTS MATTER.

[intheflow]

36. Yeah, I remember the logo. This was John Poindexter's baby.

[name not needed]

22. Click here to see me naked!

:P

[nolabels]

39. Isn't he cute ?

:loveya:

[Skarbrowe]

24. If the CIA wants to know what I'm writing well, CIA READ THIS!

I hate the creep running our country more than I've hated anyone in my whole life. Matter of fact, I don't think I've actually hated anyone before. It's like this burning, hot, dripping with poisonous venom hate that only comes along once in a lifetime. He's a creep that brings out this sickening emotion in most people of the United States and the whole BIG, BIG, WORLD. Sure, he runs things now. But some day he will again be the small, small sorry excuse for a man that he has always been. I look forward to that day.

I just wanted to make sure you knew exactly how I felt.

Have a piece of mincemeat pie. Apple pie, along with the American Way, no longer exists.


eh

[gasolineboycottday]

25. Fascism, Ain't it grand?

Fascism, Ain't it grand?

Heil Bushie
Heil Cheney
Heil Kinda-sleezy
Heil Rummy

Heil!!!
Heil!!!
Heil!!!

[American Tragedy]

28. Is Agent Mike CIA?

[proudbluestater]

30. Does the CIA spy on Americans?

Does the CIA spy on Americans? Does it keep a file on you?

By law, the CIA is specifically prohibited from collecting foreign intelligence concerning the domestic activities of US citizens.
Its mission is to collect information related to foreign intelligence and foreign counterintelligence.

By direction of the President in Executive Order 12333 of 1981 and in accordance with procedures issued by the Director of Central Intelligence and approved by the Attorney General, the CIA is restricted in the collection of intelligence information directed against US citizens. Collection is allowed only for an authorized intelligence purpose; for example, if there is a reason to believe that an individual is involved in espionage or international terrorist activities. The CIA's procedures require senior approval for any such collection that is allowed, and, depending on the collection technique employed, the sanction of the Attorney General and Director of Central Intelligence may be required. These restrictions on the CIA have been in effect since the 1970s.

http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/wofact99/20.htm#5

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. And who is going to stop them if that's what they want?

The FBI? Homeland Security?

They can do whatever they fucking want.

Get used to it.

On Edit --

Especially now that they are purging the professionals who won't toe *'s line.

[intheflow]

37. You're right, it's the FBI who are supposed to spy on internal threats.

But with Goss at the helm of the CIA now, we can expect them to monitor us. Is complaining about the election tantamount to being "involved in espionage or international terrorist activities"? I don't think so, but then, I don't work for this administration.

[SillyGoose]

34. CIA, Hi!

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[intheflow]

38. And to you, too!

You made me laugh! Thanks. Welcome to DU, ac8916! :hi:

[SillyGoose]

41. Thanks for the welcome....

Glad to have found you!


and to all our hard working, thread-reading CIA agents out there: here's to ya! :toast: now go find OBL

[Deja Q]

35. Let them. A terrorist will use any outlet. And we are not terrorists.

What's to fear? They know what to look for.

[The Traveler]

40. I hope they are

First, if one's concern is to protect the American people from terrorist threat, all sorts of forums should be checked out. Our words are not privately shared ... there is no invasion of privacy in this. Second, CIA analysts are far more intelligent and open minded than often given credit for. It comes with the territory. If analysts are reading our words, I assured you that we are producing some resonance within those probing minds.

Let us continue our honest discussions without fear ... and know that somewhere out there a seed of doubt has been surely planted.

[H2O Man]

45. Good post.

The majority of CI employees may be republicans, and they may hold conservative social or economic views. But they are not likely to be offended by much on DU; at most, they might think some people are confused, or that there is some nonsense here and there. But the largest segment of CI simply does not support this current administration, or else Bush's daddy wouldn't have insisted on putting Porter Goss in charge of the agency.

In the past year, there have been a number of individuals who are, by definition, from the right, who have shown that although we may have some significant differences of opinion on important issues, we still have more in common with each other than either group does with the administration. Richard Clarke is not a liberal, but he has said this administration is extremely dangerous. Kevin Phillips is a conservative, but he has exposed the dangers that the Bush dynasty poses to American democracy. And Michael Scheuer is hardly a "leftist," but he is exposing the administration as reckless with the truth and with our national security.

The administration's purge on the CIA's ranks is trying to remake the agency into what it was in the old days, when it would have surely viewed DU as unpatriotic. It seems a strange twist of fate that things like DU may actually be a more likely place to find the truth about the issues raised by people like Clarke, Phillips, and Scheuer than any of the mainstream media sources. So maybe some of them do read DU for reasons that just might surprise people.

[JennC]

44. Mr CIA guy... if you have anything on * might be time to get it out...

I'm sure there are still a few decent men not yet purged.

[cyberpj]

46. Info here too

Another area on this topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x88071

[NoSheep]

47. Oh Goodie! Well read this then!

Dear CIA-
I think the current administration is trying to steal our democracy from us and turn us into a society where only the rich will have any rights at all. Does that sound anything to you like the principals this country was founded on? I do not believe it is mere coincidence that so many connected to the administration are literally making a killing from the proliferation of violence throughout the world. The true enemies of our country are the ones running it. Who do you work for? The American people or a bunch of thugs who've set out to overthrow our democracy by tweaking our laws and subverting our civil rights until they've created a paradigm that serves them and them only? I think Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rove and many others are basically guilty of treason and they are hiding in plain sight. What is a citizen of this country to do when faced with the lawlessness of one's own government? Who is going to help us? The media have all rolled over. We are getting lost out here in a sea of greed and corruption.
So we go to DU, and vent and rant, and sometimes laugh and cry; and we talk about ways to try to stop this before it gets any worse. I believe that is the most "American" thing any one of us can do. We just want our country back. What could be more patriotic?
I invite you to come to DU and learn of the very real struggle of the truest Americans I have ever known. And I invite you not to roll over and participate in the treason that is called our government. Use your position to expose it.