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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:57 AM
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Our Country Has Died
A letter to a friend on Thanksgiving.

Hi John,

Best of luck in your new adventure - "getting out of Dodge" as you put it. I hope that you get safely across the border and that your new life is good for you and your family. Breathe some of that sweet air of freedom for me, and perhaps we will meet again over a Cappuccino in Toronto or in a cafe on the Mediterranean.

Thanks for the update on the declining dollar and impending economic trouble. There are certain things that I am finding myself simply avoiding - I don't want to think about them. What is happening in Iraq is one, and the collapse of the dollar is another.

Our country has died, my friend. That is how I see it now. Looking back, I think I have been clinging to a hope for a long time that it wasn't, despite all of the evidence piling up over the years.

People have told me my whole life that I was always devoted to lost causes. Now I see those lost causes as variants, and early warning signs, of a total collapse of the country we know and love. People told me that I was holding on to the old and the obsolete - which implies that new and better things were coming - and I saw it that way somewhat myself until just recently.

As a kid I had a mad love affair with railroads. I grew up near the Grand Trunk Western tracks, and I can still remember hearing that lonesome steam whistle at night. I spent a lot of my boyhood track side. I knew all of the crews and hitched rides in the caboose and in the locomotives starting when I was about 12. I had a prized dog-eared copy of the Official Guide to the Railroads, which was a 4 inch thick book back then packed with schedules and fares. Thousands of trains still went all over the country, and I would leaf though the guide and plan imaginary trips around the country while I listened to Sam Cooke on a little Japanese transistor radio. There wasn't anywhere you couldn't go. When I got a little older - 14 or so I guess, I would take the bus over to Windsor so I could ride on trains on the CN that were still pulled by steam locomotives.

By the time I was 14 I had accumulated 25,000 miles on the rails - a number that you remember at that age - once around the world! I had the opportunity to ride a lot of the famous name trains - The Super Chief, The 20th Century Limited, The Golden State, The California Zephyr. All through college I rode the train home to Detroit from western Illinois. It dropped me walking distance from my parents' home in Detroit and walking distance at the other end from my dorm in Illinois. $4 I think it cost.

Then the trains started to disappear. All of the old stations were abandoned and now most of them are gone, and then they started even pulling up the rails. For years I thought that it was just a temporary setback and that people would come to their senses eventually and restore the railroads. I would drive all over the place to get a last look at an old friend - a depot, or a coaling tower or even a water plug. Now I see that they are never coming back - and I didn't even realize that I was hanging on to the hope they would until recently. They were as good as dead in 1970, it just took a while for them to completely collapse and for people to forget about them.

Amtrak came, and 90,000 porters, waiters and cooks were thrown out of work, and thrown out of a life of freedom and independence, as well. The railroads were segregated, with the train crew jobs - conductor, brakeman, fireman and engineer - being closed to African Americans. That left the dining car and sleeping car work, which didn't pay as well, but they were good union jobs and the life on the rails was always something of an adventure. So when Amtrak came, it was the African American employees who got the axe. I remember many late nights after the diner had closed, chatting and smoking with the crew, listening to stories of the small towns in the South that they had left many years before to ride the rails, or about the time the train derailed one night during a flood in Iowa and the passengers had to be evacuated by boat.

Another interest was the old rural country music. For hundreds of years it had been passed down generation to generation. How could it ever disappear? It didn't seem possible. But over the years the old timers passed away, and I remember the time after a performance when someone said "well, Mike, I guess you are the oldest player still living now from the old gang." There was a big gap - people weren't learning the old music who were my parents' age, people born after 1915 or so. No one learned the music then again until the 60's. Then a handful of people my age started picking it back up from the grandparents, so when I was 18 the next youngest player was over 50, and many were in their 70's and 80's.

Back 30 years ago we had a little trio - fiddle, dulcimer and bass and we traveled around from Grange hall to Grange hall playing for community square dances. Sometimes we would play in a barn or a church basement. We had a repertory of 700 regional tunes - Michigan style, which was a transplanted New England style that had a little German, Polish and Finnish influence as well. Jigs, shottisches, hornpipes, reels, waltzes, and polkas. We would hire a caller, usually a local farmer. Imagine, 35 years ago, and we worked all of the time and pulled down $100 a man in little rural communities with no effort and no hassles. When the music died, a whole way of life died along with it.

The loss of the traditional music is such a tragedy, and not only is it gone, but there are fewer and fewer people who even know what you are talking about anymore. Other than a few musicians who could be commercialized, like Bill Monroe, the music just didn't lend itself to making big bucks and so was of no interest to the corporate music industry. It was nuanced and subtle, and set in a social and community context. Now, there is a commercialized parody of it that people are "into" and there are clubs full of suburbanites all playing the same 12 tunes that so and so made a recording of or some such. Then they go to workshops at colleges to learn square dancing. Huh? I think they are missing something pretty fundamental about the concept there. And, of course, in the ultimate idiocy and irony, I can't get certified to teach any of this. My actual extensive first-hand reality-based experience disagrees with the academics' opinions as to what things used to be like. I couldn't make them understand that I was what things used to be like.

Recently I have been working with fruit farming families, as you know, and the family farm is now dying, as well. Thousands of years of horticulture have been passed down going back to the ancient Greeks. No one could fully learn about the art of fruit growing in a lifetime. How can we afford to lose this? How can life be sustained without it? It is such a radical and risky experiment to move food production to corporate factory farms and to reduce the number of varieties down to the 10 that have the best commercial appeal. One virus - or one crop failure - and instead of being a localized and insignificant event, it could be catastrophic. Not to mention the death of our rural communities and the death of the independence and freedom that we had when thousands and thousands of our neighbors were involved in growing our food and managing their own farms. The choices and the diversity were more than just a curiosity, there was a strength there as well, and there was a more interesting quality to life.

I think now that those were just early symptoms of a total collapse and death of the country. 1955-2005 will seem like an eye blink to historians looking back, but for those of us living now it has been a long and painful experience to watch things collapse.

I feel a lot of calm and a lot of freedom now, though - more than I have in years and years. If it is over, it is over, and there is no longer a need to struggle with it, to argue about it, to doubt and wonder and worry with anticipation and dread. There was a lot of stress in being out of step with people around me on so many things for so long. Now I can let go of that and accept things more easily.

When I saw the exit poll comparison data from Dr. Freeman after the election, I instantly knew that the election had been stolen for certain, and that people would not get it when you tried to explain it to them. People don't have a framework for understanding things as simple as a statistical analysis anymore, and I might as well try to persuade the dog about it then to try to talk to most people.

Many somehow can't put the stolen election into the larger context, either. For me, it was as the last page of a long and sad book, and I know how the book turns out now. People who try to start with that last page, or try to generalize and make pronouncements from having only read the last page - and not comprehending it, and not realizing that they don't comprehend it! - or won't even LOOK at the book, will never understand anything that you say to them about it.

I suppose that it is fitting that democracy itself should be the last thing to die. It was the strength and the foundation for everything else we were blessed with as Americans. America - beacon of freedom to generations of oppressed people all over the world; a dream never quite realized, a promise and an ideal to lead us forward. It lives on now in our hearts and minds, which is the only place that it ever really fully existed. There are fewer of us dreaming now, but the dream is as beautiful as it ever was to me.

America is dead. Long live America!

Your friend,

Mike
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:08 AM
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:11 AM
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3. What is incredible is
that people aren't rising up and screaming over the results of Dr. Freeman's research. Maybe they are stupid.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:28 AM
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6. People in the Ukraine are in the streets by the thousands.
Americans watched the Macy's Parade and plan their shopping.

Man, it is depressing how we let freedom, liberty and accountability slip through our fingers. All the flag waving, but no real defense of the nation. Glad I am getting old.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:37 PM
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35. That's what I was thinking.
People in the Ukraine protest in the streets. We flood the stores for Christmas shopping. It may have to get a lot worse before people realize they've been had.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:37 AM
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:07 AM
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12. I will just say a real quick 'hi' to you
because you don't look like someone who will be around long...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:40 AM
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17. "Freeman's the real idiot." Where did you get YOUR Ph.D?
Welcome to DU. Good luck.

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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:13 AM
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4. welcome to DU
Welcome to DU DWA. It is nice to meet you. Thank you for reading my post. I hope that you and your family are having a nice holiday.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:25 AM
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5. Hmm. Well, the US is still a little better at math than South Africa..
and Cyprus. http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/edu_mat_app_gra_12&int=-1

Country Description Amount
1. Netherlands 560
2. Sweden 552
3. Denmark 547
4. Switzerland 540
5. Iceland 534
6. Norway 528
7. France 523
8. Australia 522
9. Canada 519
10. Austria 518
11. Slovenia 512
12. Germany 495
13. Hungary 483
14. Italy 476
15. Lithuania 469
16. Czech Republic 466
17. United States 461
18. Cyprus 446
19. South Africa 356
Weighted Average 477.01

Welcome to DU.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:34 AM
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8. 2/3rds of Americans
want creationism taught in schools alongside evolution. 37% want it to replace evolution. Maybe what you take for high-handedness is merely a lament over the sobering truth.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:11 AM
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14. Our fellow Americans just voted in a complete failure and crook
so I'm thinking they're not so smart.

I'm thinking my dog would know enough to bite GWB on the leg.

What planet have you been living on, sir?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:11 AM
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2. We are researching Mexico for immigration...
According to the info we can find an American family can live there comfortably for $300.00 a month. The same quality of health care is at 25% of the cost we pay here.

George Bush has decimated America and it's image. He's sending our kids to die without reason and we've had it. Let him and his Bushie sheeple deal with the rubble that will be left of America when he and his elitists are done with it.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:29 AM
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7. Let me know what you find out, okay?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:39 AM
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10. Have fun. The rest of us who are stuck here will be happy for you when
we suffer and die.

Thanks for abandoning ship.

P.S. I won't be able to say "I told you so" if a thermonuclear war is the end result of the oil gambit that Bushco seems to be playing at. The game is already being staged. Right now it's tinfoil, but just in case I'm right: "I told you so. And by the way, a thermonuke war will decimate the entire planet. I may be dead, but you're living."
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:47 AM
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11. I'm not going anywhere myself
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 02:48 AM by m berst
I hope. But I am compassionate to those who need to, or for whom it is the best choice.

Remember, De Gaulle left. Petain stayed.

Someone who leaves is not necessarily a deserter or a traitor.

If worse comes to worse, I hope that we can get as many people out of harm's way as we possibly can, any way we can and whatever that takes.

There are many things that we who stay will need that are getting harder and harder to do here. We will need people on the outside.

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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:09 AM
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13. I'm with you. I think more can be done from the outside
because it's hopeless now from the inside.

Inside America it's a vacuum, an empty echo chamber.

I used to say on DU, well before Abu Ghraib and other horrors came to light, that George Bush could be videotaped anally fucking a goat on the 50 yard line of the superbowl ....

And he would get away with it.

That isn't far from what has happened. The lies about the war, the constantly changing explanations of why we went to war, the increasing carnage, the utter FAILURE of everything the man has ever touched, including the godawful horrors of Abu Ghraib --

And remember, we just saw the TIP OF THE ICEBERG AT ABU GHRAIB. Remember there were THOUSANDS of other images that some saw but almost everyone did not -- rapes of boys, killings, just the most godawful sadomasochistic snuff stuff.

All condoned by our NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL!!!!!

So yes, from within America it is completely hopeless to act.

Only from the outside can change come.

If that means foreign governments ganging up on the US, so be it.

These people are going to continue doing what they're doing until SOMEBODY STOPS THEM.

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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 04:19 AM
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18. probably need both, eh?
Too soon to tell. I just don't think we should judge others. People can make their own decisions and should be free to do so.

It bothered me a lot back 8 or 9 months ago when some Kerry supporters would argue me down as a tin foiler when I said that the Democratic party was not recognizing the threat for what it was and was not responding to it strongly enough, and they would say "oh well if you are right and it gets bad I will just leave." Nice for you! I thought. If it is bad enough that you have your personally escape plan, then why isn't it bad enough for us to nominate a more aggressive candidate and take a stronger line now before the campaign starts?

Sometimes the ones who talk toughest now will fold in the face of real danger. And sometimes the ones who leave will eventually lead the fight to restore freedom.

I was reading the Fall of the Third Republic recently about the collapse of France in the late 30's and 40's. No one could have predicted in advance who would leave, who would fight, who would collaborate, and who would betray their country. There were a lot of surprises, and there was a time when De Gaulle, who left, was the only person it seemed arguing for resistance to German occupation. Obviously, he would not have been safe in France and it would have served no purpose for him to stay. From abroad he kept the flame alive and eventually led the Free French with the liberation forces.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:54 PM
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28. it's become obvious to me that we need international help
I think the only thing that will help us at this point is if the whole world becomes aware of the problems here. And starts to do something about it, makes a lot of noise, and hopefully even takes some action.

People from here, who go elsewhere, can help to do this.

What I do to help can be done from anywhere. I don't have to actually physically live in the US to do what I do.

And I sure don't want to pay taxes to a terrorist nation, which is what the US has turned into.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:15 AM
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15. Thank you, m berst, for a wonderful letter.
It is very poignant and remarkably well written. Would you mind if I shared it with others?--I can remove the name if you like.

BMU
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:30 AM
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16. thank you BMU
Maybe remove the names? Otherwise - please do feel free to pass it along.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:48 PM
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27. Thanks, sharing it with my friends via email
I'll remove the names. I believe a lot of people I know will resonate with the feelings you've expressed. Most everyone I know is still in a state of shock regarding the election and feeling very uncomfortable about the future.

BMU
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CoffeeAnnan Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 05:54 AM
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19. Thank you for a heartfelt post that chronicles the destruction of a way
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 05:57 AM by CoffeeAnnan
of life.It is certainly truthful and could have only come from a person who cares for our country and its traditions.

At one time in the past I came across a statement attributed to Lenin in which he says that capitalism contains the seeds of its own desruction.At the time I read it I dismissed it because I felt that capitalism was more effective than communism in spreading prosperity and may be that is why old Vladimir was jealous.But as I got older, I have realized that one of the side effects of unfettered capitalism was the destruction of our collective memory that makes totalitarianism possible.The destruction of railroads, the erasure of our music and our agriculture represent for me the stops on our way to totalitarian methods.

That creeping totalitarianism has made possible the rise of a nonentity like Bush who represents nothing.He has been enabled by a million people like him who believe in nothing except money and the power it confers on people who believe in nothing.They owe no allegiance to any one or any community.Such hit-and-run men are the ones who now run our corporations.To them our communities are simply a source of capital to be sucked dry and the carcasses left behind.

In this ethos, it is no surprise to me to find Bush at the helm.He is the ultimate nihilist to whom power is an end in and of itself.He does not even know why he seeks power except that it makes him feel self important.He is for a war but he knows not why he wants to wage it.He is a man who claims he wants to spread freedom but is capable of asking anyone questioning his policies:"Who cares what you think"?

Time and time again, the totalitarian mindset that our unfetterd `capitalist system has promoted has made a mockery of our democratic ideals.Apart from the destruction of individual enterprisess that ensured a populace able to think and act independently, it has made it possible and may be even necessary for people to resort to opiates such as drugs,sex, alcohol, sports, mindless attachment to celebrity worship which are all symptoms of the malaise that is at the root of our ills:the worship of money to the exclusion of every other value that enriches our life.Probably the most destructive sentence in our language is:If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:29 AM
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25. damn
"That creeping totalitarianism has made possible the rise of a nonentity like Bush who represents nothing.He has been enabled by a million people like him who believe in nothing except money and the power it confers on people who believe in nothing.They owe no allegiance to any one or any community.Such hit-and-run men are the ones who now run our corporations.To them our communities are simply a source of capital to be sucked dry and the carcasses left behind."

it makes me wonder why it seems like everywhere i go and everywhere i look people are chasing aether.

we've all been marketed to, advertised to, and "sold" in so many ways for so long, it's like the majority of people cannot discern reality or think a substantial thought.

it's avarice, but not for great things: where are our jonas salks, our FDRs, our kennedys? where are the great minds? i think raw ambition towards great things, ennobling things, elevate us and humanity.

however, the doltish many have that passion, that ambition, that avarice for things that truly are insubstantial, for things that do not matter. hummer commercials have been elevated to art forms and our highest grossing motion pictures read like commercials. product placement is everywhere and the conditioning is in place.

people in power know this, they rely on simple psychological theories to manipulate us. they know it will work. just market something to the masses. one more "Big Idea" one more plan.

thanks for writing the paragraph above i quoted in my message.
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CoffeeAnnan Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:25 PM
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31. After I read your post, it occurred to me that we may indeed be
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 03:28 PM by CoffeeAnnan
suffering from an inability to discern the truth and to be able to tell the truth, not only to our fellow citizens, but to ourselves.The totalitarian mindset, well served by advertising and opiates, creates a man like Bush as our Maximum Leader.He is the one who uses his connections to avoid serving in a war he vociferously supports.He is the same one who has no use for religion yet poses as a born again christian.He manufactures an external threat in order to garner domestic political support.He spends critical minutes reading an innocuous book to grade schoolers yet wants us to believe that he is the right man to protect us from external threats.In all these prevarications, he is ably supported by an army of sycophants who would not know the truth if it came and climbed on their laps.

Truth, then, has become a casualty of our attachment to ephemeral goods.In some ways I believe it may also be the undoing of our rulers because our society will quickly tire of its current sport event in Iraq and need a different opiate to whet its insatiable appetite for excitement.Anything will do so long as it is different from the event that is passe.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:56 AM
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20. For what it's worth, m berst....
I am scheduled tonight to play a few old "mountain" songs at a little place in Manitou Springs. I think music is very important in understanding our times. Unfortunately, music has been cannibalized by corporations.

On the songlist are a few numbers you may have heard or may be familiar with: Waiting For A Train, an old Jimmie Rodgers song, Wabash Cannonball by Roy Acuff, Dark Hollow by Mac Wiseman, Dark as A Dungeon by Merle Travis, Long Black Veil by Lefty Frizzell, In The Pines by Bill Monroe, Filipino Baby by Cowboy Copas, The Fields Have Turned Brown by I don't know, etc.... So I'm doing my best to keep the old music alive.



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:04 AM
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21. How do we get the CD, kentuck?
That's an awesome playlist !
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:29 AM
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26. Me too!
(This is a response to m berst AND kentuck.)

Actually, I'm not scheduled to play anywhere (it's been more than 20 years...)

BUT...I am still keeping the fiddle warm and am willing to join in any buncha back porch pickers. Just not that many here in SE Florida.

For the record, I saw this whole thing start to crumble around 1970, on the streets of Berkeley, when I noticed a strong turn towards materialism among the once idealistic. I remember reflecting on the differences within one year (1969 to 1970) and they carried an overarching superficiality.

By the way, kentuck, I lived in Manitou in 1972. Really difficult to get up a good discussion with most people then. Made some really good friends, whom I still think about often.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:26 PM
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32. get you rosin out
Not sure I want to enter Florida though. :-)

What happened to the traditional music scene in the early 70's was something very weird. It seemed to happen overnight.

Back then I went to a lot of the fiddle contests around the country and in Ontario. Mostly farmers and small town people, lots of great old musicians. Then around 73-74 they were "discovered" by people. All of a sudden there were tens of thousands of hippies at them and they were turned them into Woodstock or something.

Here is the odd thing I noticed, and I think that it somehow ties into politics.

At one time people at the fiddle contests were all Bible-belt, small town, conservative people. There were always hundreds of great musicians, and the jam sessions were the focal point for everything. The atmosphere was always friendly, and there was a hierarchy of jam sessions according to who the best players were.

Then a million suburbanites descended. Very few played, but they were "making the scene" and dressing the part. Now these were liberal, educated, tolerant people. So how come the fiddle gatherings turned into overly organized, suppressive and intolerant events? All of the old timers were driven away by hordes of arrogant city folk. You couldn't;t find a jam session if your life depended upon it anymore, and acknowledging the better players was suddenly seen as "unfair" because it was elitist and wasn't giving "everyone a chance" or some such idiocy. Then of course there had to be "workshops" and vendors selling organic things and costumes so people could "look like" country folk. And on and on.

The suburban liberals were all preaching peace and love and community and music and tradition, but what they were doing was some sort of cartoonish parody. The old red necks didn't preach those values, they just lived them. That is the gap that today, still, many city liberals will not look at.

Ever since then I have thought about that. There is some sort of reality gap - a culture gap. When I saw how the beautiful, liberal people totally ruined the old fiddle contests and square dances, I completely understood how rural people were disgusted and alienated by city liberals and how that would translate eventually into a political backlash.

Don't know if I have explained this well.

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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:08 PM
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29. now you're talkin'
Jimmy Rodgers - the singing brakeman. A little Haywire Mac, Vernon Dalhart and Clayton McMichen and we are talking the good stuff, eh?

Trivia - did you that the train the Wabash Cannonball was named after the song and not the other way around?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:25 PM
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30. I did not know that !
Also, I have done the old Woody Guthrie song before, Hard Travelin', which has an eerie feel to it when sung today. Also, sometime do the old Carter Family tunes. Will probably open with my version of the old traditonal tune, Little Maggie...then maybe Ranked Strangers, the old Stanley Bros tune... :)
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:39 PM
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33. playlist
See if we have any of this repertory in common, Kentuck.

Wreck of the Old 97
Darling Nelly Gray
Red Wing
Golden Slippers
Beautiful Ohio
Tennessee Waltz
Springtime in the Rockies
Yellow Bird
San Antonio Rose
Home Sweet Home
Kingdom Coming
Wildwood Flower
Wabash Cannonball
Alabama Jubilee
Down Yonder
I'll Fly Away

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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:30 PM
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34. Jimmy Rodgers
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 06:31 PM by nathan hale
I used to do a couple of his songs in a small beer and wine place in Austin TX in the late 70's (singing w/guitar). A singer/guitar picker of the old school (he always performed with a stylish stetson and dressed immaculately) loved the way I did "TB Blues" and "Hurry Home, Sweet Mama." He was into Travis picking, himself, and did some Jimmy Rodgers as well.

Clayton McMichen -- I always wanted to learn his great tune, "Done Gone."

Sheesh! The good old days.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:14 AM
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22. Bye Bye American Pie
"I met a girl who sang the blues and I asked her for some happy news but she just smiled and turned away, I went down to the sacred store where I'd heard the music years before but the man there said the music wouldn't play and in the streets the children screamed, the lovers cried, and the poets dreamed but not a word was spoken, the church bells all were broken and the three men I admire most, the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, they caught the last train for the coast, the day, the music, died, and they were singin...

They were singin... Bye, bye Miss American Pie drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry an them good ol' boys were drinkin whiskey and rye singin this will be the day that I die."

-- Lyrics from American Pie, Don McClean
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:22 AM
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23. I really enjoyed your post:
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 10:23 AM by Callous Taoboys
I have been lamenting the disappearance of the culture you eloquently describe in your letter. I was a boy living in small town America in the 60's and 70's, and though it was starting to slow down some, the downtown area was still humming along. I used to enjoy going on errands with mom and visiting all of these unique stores that had been in business since the turn of the century or better. The shop owners all knew me and I have great memories of looking at all of the stuff in the shops. We'd go by the library which was this wonderful marble building built in the 20's, very art deco, and the lobby always had a bunch of old men sitting around on couches reading the paper. The sound of trains was always a part of the downtown experience since my town had been a large railroad hub since the 1850's. My main impression of the people I encountered was that they were all colorful characters. But our first mall was built in the early 70's, then a bigger one in the late 70's, and downtown dried up over time. There have been attempts to revive it but they've never taken off. Last time I drove through downtown was at night about a year ago, and it was kind of scarey, most of the buildings boarded up or falling apart. What's ironic is that the mall wasn't doing much better.

I feel for the kids of today, though, that didn't get to experience small town America during its hayday.





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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:12 AM
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24. well said nt
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xerox Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:44 PM
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36. Yep
dead as dead can get!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 07:40 PM
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37. Human history
How many realize we are living at one of the most crucial turning point sin human history? This excellent post about the death of the past, the blindness of the present also points to the death of the future and the same blindness.

People FEEL the loss or the vacancy. People know intuitively enough to work against the anxiety, unease and dread- in wrong evasive ways. This is an important topic because our leaders, our wealthy capitalists and most of the social planners are sadly in the same state. Or worse for fashioning naive fantasies of continuity and dumb planning that make things infinitely worse.

We are making a world in which we- in our present state- are becoming obsolete- like stone age tribes with a devastated culture succumbing to blight, drugs and the backwash of the new "civilization". Technologically out of it. Powerless. Incapable of fitting in or adapting except as a subclass to something greater that hardly exists. People find refuge in these circumstances, never the genuine culture. People mourn resentfully, defiantly, in fear and growing hopelessness. Partly though, for life otherwise goes on very nicely.

My experience barely touches upon your own, just enough to get what you are talking about and know what has been lost. I know what it is like to leave the country for a few years and come back and see a startling, overwhelming mass mood, a trap bereft of richness and inner strength, of fears denied and underground hope turned to gray. Canada and France had their own disadvantages, but it was the war and the political miasma that had sapped America of its spirit. The upcoming revolts against this spirit were petty, spiteful, resentful and dumb- more symptoms of the "malaise" that Carter barely mumbled about. Those reactionaries who derided this first glimmer of self-awareness plunged the nation deeper into the sickness while the real crises of the age lumbered on like some invisible Frankenstein.

Our ability to provide bread and circuses high tech style were gleaned off the beast and mistaken for Utopia. Utopia means "nowhere" for a reason. You could pretend anything, but reality bit.

Conservatives especially can dismiss these very sentiments that warn of the devastation of things they profess to protect and rely on. Mankind is actually plunging itself(call it evolution, in any event WE did it to ourselves)into the Dark Night of the Soul, bereft of everything. In the age to come, should we survive, humanity must find and fight for itself, what we mean and value and choose, what we must submit to regarding the spirit and reality. What is lost must not be forgotten. What is new should not be an accident of war, upheaval and accidents of survival. This century involves choice, a choice being STOLEN from humanity out of purest fear and ignorance.

We will have to choose what the future will be, or we can hope to muddle through to the sifting out of the good, genetic perfecting, spiritual uplifting and an entirely new species civilization. I think we can see that muddling through accidental evolution is very likely NOT going to work at a stage where choice and intelligence MUST be employed. We can die or we can choose to live and give this creation the chance it strives for with every atom and every good thought.

I too would make peace with this stupid Armageddon of pathos, this criminal judgment the worst of mankind despotizes over the good natured apathy of the dazed and bereft. But not without a total fight.
We will not meet violence with violence, fear with fear, hate with hate, because this is one thing we can agree on with the bizarro fundies. There is no place in the future for this behavior. We cannot survive the world we have been making. No depth for the human experience, no brain for the demands of thought, no spiritual strength to master our destiny.

The Gospels have never been lived enough, the American Revolution was never finished, America has never existed nor democracy. The status quo has never been sufficient even as a myth. Standing still or taking ease has only accelerated disaster. Evil is becoming more visible and insupportable and laughable even as it flows into the empty spaces, but people fear the emptiness, and the human animal flees stress as it would any other predator.

So will the disinherited join the ranks of the "too dumb to live" the "too selfish to survive"? Will mercy or luck favor our future?

I am not content that important wisdom is the blind spot for the self-chosen moronic drivers of our society. Nor that the science of the future is similarly blown off except for petty pleasures and advantages to their drunken course. Past? Future? If this is the best we can do, these "great ones" will plunge us to a disaster so moronic that the cosmic joke would be utter humiliation. No grand drama. No angels coming to seal our grandiose self-important drama. Just salvage operations at best and the conqueror worm.
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