Absolutely sickening. 'Unusual' weapons and atrocities in Fallujah.

[tuvor]

BAGHDAD, Nov 26 (IPS) - The U.S. military has used poison gas and other non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses report..

<snip>

Macabre accounts of killing of civilians are emerging through the cordon U.S. forces are still maintaining around Fallujah.

<snip>

Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week ago told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the city.

”I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks,” he said. ”This happened so many times.”

There's more to read, unfortunately:

http://ipsnews.net/new_nota.asp?idnews=26440

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[Rumba]

3. Nothing in the article alludes to anything

that would be called "star warz".

[YankeeFan]

21. The BBC

Recently had a news production showing the actual assault. There was an Imbedded reporter with a camera crew that showed almost everything.

The BBC is almost as left leaning as this site is. That being said that news film clip calls Ipsnews.net a bunch of liars.

There was no White Phosphorus, tanks rolling over wounded people, no poison gas, no napalm, shooting at people surrendering didn’t happen, nothing like that at all. And when a large bomb explodes, a small “Mushroom cloud” is sure to briefly form.

Think about this one fact if you think I’ve gone to the Right: If Americans Are using poison gas, how come nobody over there is wearing gas masks? Just think; no gas masks, no poison gas.

[daleo]

22. I don't know where people get the idea that BBC is left leaning

The Guardian, I can see. But the BBC is centrist at best, in my opinion.

[YankeeFan]

23. Shortwave Radio

I listen to it from time to time.

They are Left Leaning.

[YankeeFan]

24. Here's The Link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/news_web/video/40566000/bb/40566639_bb_16x9.asx

Like I said, this clip calls any claim of "Atrocity's" bunk.

[__Inanna__]

26. Isn't this pre major invasion

following the election? I watched part of it, and noticed that all the buildings were still intact, and the report starts out before invading Fallujah. If indeed this is pre-election, it does not debunk anything, as the alleged atrocities were not committed until after the election (far as I know), when we really stepped up operations.

[bvar22]

31. Executing wounded prisinors...

...IS an atrocity, and that DID happen.

The BBC now has a CYA agenda since bush* forced Blair into participating in the massacre of Fallujah.

The US position will remain:"If you ain't got pictures, it didn't happen."
I suspect that where warcrimes are involved, the BBC position will be the same.

[daleo]

25. Well, I just go by their website and BBC Worldservice on TV

Not that I see the latter all that often. We may have different interpretations of politcal leanings of course. I always keep in mind that they are funded by the British government, and therefore can't stray too far from the center.

[Djinn]

69. only if ones definition of centre

is something like Hitlers would have been. Perhaps to US eyes the BBC looks left leaning - but to anyone in Australia, Europe or Canada it looks pretty centrist.

Atleast in all the years I've listened/watched the BBC I've never ehard them promote collective economies.

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[michael_1166]

41. The BBC....

is neutral in its presentation of news. If you perceive being neutral as left leaning, well, I guess that's because of all that "brainwash TV" going on in the US.

What I'm reading here on this site each day is, by European standards, also not really much left leaning... You're fighting here for your votes being properly counted, for freedom of the press, expression and thought. And for your right to believe in the religion (or non-religion) of your choice. That's basic human rights, not leftist ideas. Please don't put yourself into a corner by thinking "oh we're just a left minority, nobody will listen to us in the long run anyway!".

Be proud of DU and what it stands for. Thoughts create reality.

Michael, Europe (Germany)

[bobthedrummer]

14. Well Rumsfeld gave his "Message to the People of Iraq" speech using

a Commando Solo II mission-which is aerial mind control.
http://www.dod.gov/news/Apr2003/n04302003_2003304302.html
Well, they scrubbed it again. Maybe it's at Cryptome or The Memory Hole.

Commando Solo missions link
http://www.raven1.net/commsolo.htm

[walldude]

16. Yeah it's all propaganda and lies

and Bush is the greatest president to ever live :eyes:

[TankLV]

17. If you're a betting person, bet on reports of US atrocitites - they've

all been proven 100% true so far.

It's a safe bet to believe all the crap alleged AGAINST our troops.

And these are only the ones that have been recorded or witnessesed.

Imagine how many other war crimes have been committed that have gone unreported!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Investigation needed

by a neutral third party. If it proves to be true, someone needs to be tried for war crimes.

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Toys for tots?

It's that time of year!

I guess somebody forgot, "Peace on earth, goodwill to men!"

The Fake election in Iraq is sure to set the world right again, just as the one we had here has! The Iraqi people will be at Wal-Mart shopping in no time flat!

[indigobusiness]

5. Your tax dollars at work.

Am I complicit by proxy?

[liberalmuse]

6. Unfortunately...

while I'd like to believe that some of this is propaganda, some of the items in the article--like the use of white phosphorus (in pictures) and gunships/soldiers shooting at civilians/families trying to cross the river, have already been collaborated by an AP reporter. I really don't want to believe the rest is true, but if it is, god help us.

[PATRICK]

7. So what did happen

to the mini-spybots and gizmos, the sonic weapons and microwaves that were supposed at least to spare our troops the door to door prudent killing that seems to have worked about like as it always has- with indiscriminate automatic killing?

Our troops are running out of basic equipment. The blasting firepower and the marksmen are just "more". The finesse of the vaunted new age war is nowhere in evidence. War is as it always was and so is unjustified invasion and resistance.

If anyone is going to learn finesse, the race may be won by the home team
on the ground, despite their technical weakness. Especially when the topdown equipping and planning of the invaders is increasingly stupid and blunt.

Meanwhile, like Hitler(as a losing strategist, mind you), Bush/Cheney are thinking BIG, supertoys, space wars, shields and a completely remade
privatized force of mercs, thugs and coverts for whom we suddenly cannot afford the invincibility of new tech. Lives are still a cheap commodity for the Bushes and the turnover in ammo has always been the family fortune enterprise since WWI.

[wtmusic]

56. Cheap wars are the most brutal

Rather than putting 30,000 Marines on the ground we went in with 5,000 blasting the shit out of everything we saw.

That is disgraceful, disgusting, and unAmerican.

[Nordic]

8. anybody know about this news source?

The army has admitted to using napalm-like weapons during the original invasion.

We also know of the accounts of the shooting of people trying to cross the river. This was documented earlier.

And if you've ever see "The Panama Deception" you'll see lovely footage of squished panamanians being pulled like yesterday's pizza from tank tracks.

Nothing new here.

[tuvor]

9. Re: The news source, I found this story on CommonDreams

I figure if it's good enough for them...

[hightension]

10. I remember hearing

of "sonic" type of weapons in panama also.
I can't even remember waht the gist was, but imagine how much "technology" has advanced "unusual" types of weapons since then.

[alfredo]

53. They used high powered amps and speakers during the

siege of Noriega's palace.

[bvar22]

11. I don't know the source, but...

...what I saw seemed a credible viewpoint from outside the USA.
I was asked to register which I did. The questions asked lead me to believe that this is a news collection and distribution service for professional journalists and Media outlets.



Nothing I read in the article about the US use of weaponry on the population of Fallujah was beyond belief. The reports of White Phosphorous, and shooting of people trying to swim the river have already been verified.

[YankeeFan]

20. They Were Wwimming INTO the City

And not OUT of it.

[bvar22]

32. How do you know which way they were swimming?

I believe the eyewitness report of an independent reporter who stayed inside Fallujah and later escaped from the city during the massacre.

Of course, there are those who DENY that abuse was happening in Abu-Gharib, and that US troops DIDN'T kill Iraqis by throwing them off bridges, or that Napalm was used during the initial invasion.

[Nordic]

34. prove it.

show a link, show a source.

Everything I read said they were swimming out.

And what difference does it make? You can't swim with a goddamn RPG on your back. These were unarmed people, shot in cold blood in the water.

Sickening no matter which way they were swimming

[0007]

46. Paint it the way you want it guy! Cuz 'ya definitely don't know

what your talking about. I guess you think Abu Ghraib was all a lie also, 'eh?

[datasuspect]

52. that was just fraternity pranks

things aren't that bad in iraq, i know because my (uncle, dad, nephew, daughter, second cousin's ex-wife's next door neighbor) who is stationed there said it wasn't

the insurgents play dead

we're trying to free the iraqis

the media is biased, but i trust them over foreign news sources who are more biased

amurka is never wrong

i'll get social security

milk really isn't almost $5/gallon

gas doesn't cost nearly $2.50



the things we do for love, eh

[Nordic]

60. you're wrong. Read this

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=251539

<<Hussein moved from house to house dodging gunfire and reached the river.
"I decided to swim … but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river."
He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands."
"I kept walking along the river for two hours and I could still see some U.S. snipers ready to shoot anyone who might swim. I quit the idea of crossing the river and walked for about five hours through orchards." >>

[tuvor]

12. Here's more, this time from The Nation: Fallujah's Health Damage

While the North American news media have focused on the military triumph of US Marines in Falluja, little attention has been paid to reports that US armed forces killed scores of patients in an attack on a Falluja health center and have deprived civilians of medical care, food and water.

Although the US military has dismissed accounts of the health center bombing as "unsubstantiated," in fact they are credible and come from multiple sources. Dr. Sami al-Jumaili described how US warplanes bombed the Central Health Centre in which he was working at 5:30 am on November 9. The clinic had been treating many of the city's sick and wounded after US forces took over the main hospital at the start of the invasion. According to Dr. al-Jumaili, US warplanes dropped three bombs on the clinic, where approximately sixty patients--many of whom had serious injuries from US aerial bombings and attacks--were being treated.

Dr. al-Jumaili reports that thirty-five patients were killed in the airstrike, including two girls and three boys under the age of 10. In addition, he said, fifteen medics, four nurses and five health support staff were killed, among them health aides Sami Omar and Omar Mahmoud, nurses Ali Amini and Omar Ahmed, and physicians Muhammad Abbas, Hamid Rabia, Saluan al-Kubaissy and Mustafa Sheriff.

Although the deaths of these individual health workers could not be independently confirmed, Dr. al-Jumaili's account is echoed by Fadhil Badrani, an Iraqi reporter for Reuters and the BBC. Reached by phone in Falluja, Badrani estimated that forty patients and fifteen health workers had been killed in the bombing. Dr. Eiman al-Ani of Falluja General Hospital, who said he reached the site shortly after the attack, said that the entire health center had collapsed on the patients.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20041213&s=schuman

[__Inanna__]

13. Is The Nation a reliable news source?

Please excuse my ignorance, but I am guilty of believing everything I read, so I have to learn which are good sources and which are bad sources.

If these stories are true, and I tend to believe they are, then we are going to be in a world of hurt as a result of these actions. It's bad enough we are there in the first place, but if we are there doing these sorts of things, then I don't blame any country for "reigning us in." It's a sad point in history to be an American.

[tuvor]

15. I've seen The Nation cited reliably on DU many times.

Perhaps someone can give you better information.

Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[Berserker]

18. Here is another reporting the same

http://www.politrix.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1567
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

[OneBlueSky]

19. everything about this war is illegal, including the weapons . . .

that the U.S. is using . . . everything from depleted uranium, to those cluster bombs that kids tend to pick up, to white phosphorus (much like napalm) . . . that there isn't an international body willing to call this what it is -- an illegal invasion -- and U.S. actions what they are -- war crimes -- is itself an unspeakable tragedy . . . if the international community won't stand up to the BushCo, they'll just continue their Pax Americana campaign until literally millions are dead and even more millions horribly wounded . . .

[Dangerman]

27. Oh my God!

<snip>

Kassem Mohammed Ahmed who escaped from Fallujah a little over a week ago told IPS he witnessed many atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in the city.

”I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks,” he said. ”This happened so many times.”

</snip>

If this is true and if America finds out about this, Bush got some serious questions to answer! And he'll pay big time or this!

"Immoral behavior breeds immoral behavior" to qoute Michael Moore.

[YankeeFan]

28. "If this is true..."

After watching the BBC...

I have finally found a place that has a bigger lier than the Bush Leaguer. Don't you think that if those tanks had run over people the BBC the reporter would at least mention it?



I keep thinking of the Election and what Kerry tried to talk about our military. What would he say about those "Reports?" I keep remembering the "Spiders the size of dogs attacking Americans....10,000 American soldiers dead and the Government hiding it..." new story's.

Why does almost everybody here believe those overseas web sites without verifying from an Independent news source?
I'm reminded of a trick the communist government did in the old Soviet Union. First, the Communist Party Newspaper Pravda - which translates as Truth - would publish some fictional story. Then a authentic Russian news agency would pick up the story, saying that they had found a previously published story, and re-print it as fact. Now Pravda, would be about the same thing if the Republican Party were to publish a newspaper. Because the Soviet Government also controlled the Press, unlike America ever had been, they could say anything they wanted to. In the early-mid 1980's, Tass, which I believe was/is the Russian news agency, said that Michael Jackson had Aids. And Jackson had to publicly go discredit the story.

Why isn't everybody here seemingly taking those overseas "News Sites" at face value? Is everybody here automatically brainwashed into thinking the worst of Americans? No wonder I got laughed at when I wore a DemocraticUnderground.com button a few weeks ago. A lot of Mainstream Democrats just don't trust us.

[Robbien]

30. Why do you believe Faux News and Rush Limbaugh?

why are you asking us to believe BushCo propaganda and ask us to ignore everything else?

[bvar22]

33. The BBC now has a CYA agenda...

...since bush* forced Blair to participate in the atrocities at Fallujah.

Why do you continue to trust the USMedia sources that have been WRONG so many times in the last 3 years? Don't you know that informed people are laughing at you when you continue to mindlessly parrot the propaganda being issued from the bush* whitehouse?

Some people still believe that there are WMD's in Iraq, and that Sadam helped AlQaeda. Do you?

[Nordic]

35. What you describe is exactly what the GOP does

in case you haven't been paying attention.

They have a "source" somewhere "report" something to someone in the "media". Then someone else in the "media" says "sources say that ......"

This spreads. Next thing you know, pure GOP propaganda is being shoved down our throats like news.

Look for it. You'll see it. Stay at DU longer and we'll point it out to you.

And by the way, if you're hanging out with people who even know who democraticunderground.com is, they're either freepers, or they're us. If they're laughing, they're freepers. If you're hanging out with freepers, why?

[bvar22]

37. Nope, this was an AP photographer ,Bilal Hussein

...who was documented to be inside Fallujah.

You are correct in that I posted something without a name or a link, and, as such, must be discounted.


Here is the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=251539

I saw him tell his story, and found him credible.

[Nordic]

59. a great post, proves YankeeFan is dead wrong

there ya have it.

[Rumba]

36. No one reporter can see everything

> I have finally found a place that has a bigger lier
> than the Bush Leaguer. Don't you think that if those
> tanks had run over people the BBC the reporter would
> at least mention it?


Only if he saw it firsthand. One reporter can only cover so much. If the standard of plausibility is "only if every single reporter saw the same thing", nothing is plausible. No one can be everywhere at once.

[datasuspect]

42. hmmm . . .

foreign news sources are the only reliable news sources nowadays or do you have something against "furriners" on general principle.

btw - you're looking very transparent

[Nordic]

62. sometimes that "alert" button is a handy tool

is all I have to say on THAT issue

"swimming into the city" my ASS

[PrisonerLazy8]

38. What credibility does IPS News have?

Can we take them at their word or are they biased against America?

[bvar22]

39. Follow the link.

Judge for yourself.

http://ipsnews.net/new_nota.asp?idnews=26440



I was unfamiliar with them. I was able to sample their site for a few minutes before being blocked and asked for a subscription. I subscribed, and they said they would send me a price quote.

Apparently, they are an International Agency that collects and coordinates news from around the World and distributes to Media Outlets on a subscription basis.

Their stuff has an International flavor, and sees the US from an external perspective. The little I saw was a refreshing experience, and since I have traveled outside the US, I found them to be a credible representation of International NEWS as opposed to our CorpoNews.


On Edit:
There is a link to DU on this page of their site.

http://ipsnews.net/index.asp

Scroll down the page to:
U.S. ELECTION: Democracy in Question

I WAS surprised to find this link to us.

[datasuspect]

43. shouldn't you decide that?

what makes a news source credible to you?

lack of bias against america? how do you prove bias?

[Doncha_know]

40. BS

Every pic and video I have seen from the battle has showed the US guys in normal battle dress. They would be in bio suits or protective masks if they used poison gas or bio weapons. How would they survive too?

Sorry but I have relatives fighting over there and he is a good man. I love him and support him. They have insurgents pretending to surrender under white flags and then shooting out guys when they go up to accept the surrenderer's. Booby trapping bodies. They are also pretending to be dead and then shooting our guys when the pass. I am torn but I have to back our Soldiers.

[datasuspect]

44. wow

your post contains many rationalizations for war atrocities that you find most readily on fundamentalist regressive (conservative) web sites/media.

let me ask you this:

could there ever be a situation where america is wrong? can you envisage this as a possibility?

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Nope. We're perfect.

Abu Ghraib never happened, remember? We didn't LIE about WMD and illegally, preemptively attack another sovereign country. Nope. We're perfect. :grr:

[datasuspect]

48. that's what so scary

almost like a constitutional inabililty of reflective thought.

no critical apparatus functioning in these minds. just minds shut down and locked in complete rationalization mode.

how many of these people have their IDENTITIES tied into bush? that's what this reminds me of.

but it isn't that hard to figure out when you believe that bush is "chosen" by god.

and since amurka is the "chosen" land, to question either would be to question god, and since the god-concept is intertwined with the identity of the believer, good luck in getting them to see reality.

[Doncha_know]

47. Answer is yes to your question.

Yes, the U.S. could be wrong about this war. I don't like the way it is going and I hate that there is not a clear way out of it. I don't agree with the war, but I have to support the men over there fighting it. I love my nephew and I want him to come home alive. He has written letters and says things are not as bad as portrayed on TV. Who am I to believe, the media (we know they all lie to get ratings or to serve their own purposes) or my nephew. I just am saying that they would have to be wearing protective gear if they were using poison gas would they not?

This is really a strange site. It seems if you say the least little thing that someone does not agree with, people are ready to label you a conservative. Is there some rule that we must all agree on every little point. I am a newbie here and I am absolutely sorry if I have offended anyone by having a mind of my own. If we must all agree all of the time then maybe the DU is not a place for me.

[datasuspect]

49. i wasn't labelling you

and you are free to agree or disagree with whatever, makes ZERO difference to me.

all i said is that your other post strangely smelled of regressive (conservative) propaganda.

if i'm wrong, please disabuse me.

how BAD is NOT in Iraq right now, are they still decorating the troops with flowers or with improvised mortars and fragmentation grenades?

and your nephew could come home by next week if he simply went to a co and refused to take orders. might spend some time in prison, but that would be better than dying for an insane religious whackjob and his little war he made to impress his "daddy."

if you support the troops, bring them home. NOW!!!!!!

[__Inanna__]

50. It can be hard at first

to be here. I was accused of being a freeper early on, and I am not. I think people are upset about this war and it shows.

I actually did read somewhere that gas masks were being used, and when I mentioned this to a friend (who can't believe our govt would be complicit in anything horrible), she said she'd heard that too. Just thought I'd add this point.

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. I hope your nephew comes home alive too.

We've had enough young people die in this g-dforsaken war.

[Karenina]

66. Dearest Doncha_know

I will be praying daily that your nephew returns to the bosom of your family. You WILL however need to be grounded in truth in order to be in service to his needs. American troops, having been "re-educated" by the military, have unleashed untold atrocities upon the citizens of Iraq. I base my comments on what I hear from their relatives, who are my neighbors. Poison gas? White phosphorus? Microwave weapons? These are but a few of the toys the U.S. has in its arsenal with people who are itching to try them out at the helm, commanding your nephew to commit acts that go against his core values. His loyalty is now to his brothers-in-arms and he can no longer consider how INSANE his actions are, he HAS TO PROTECT his buddies. He learned as a child that "WE are the GOOD guys." When he is disabused of that notion he will require ALL THE HELP you can offer. You must educate yourself to the TRUTH of U.S. "foreign policy." The greatest support you can give your nephew is to INSIST that he be returned home to his family. NOW.

[bvar22]

54. I also doubt that the USA used poison gas in Fallujah.

The logistics of using poison gas on a small area surrounded by friendly troops prevent the areawide use of highly toxic gas.

Some locally applied Industrial Strength tear gas is a possibility in clearing houses, bunkers or cellars but I have NO CONFIRMATION that this happened. It is more likely that grenades were used.

The witness in the article was evidently not educated in modern weapons. He did perfectly describe white phosphorus bombs. WP burns at such a high temperature that it consumes everything often releasing toxic gasses as a by product. I do believe that this young man was a close witness to the use of White Phosphorus by US troops.

Chemical Weapons and Napalm also produce burns remarkably similar to the burns this small child suffered in Fallujah, but there are also other ways such as being draped by a burning plastic tablecloth of shower curtain.



Ultimately, I don't care how these people were injured and killed. bush*s lackeys in Iraq are reporting that 'no civilians were killed in fallujah." and our CorpoMedia are repeating these claims. There is evidence enough that civilians, non-combatants, prisoners, women, and children innocent residents of Fallujah were indiscriminately slaughtered by our forces. That is my outrage.

They didn't NEED to die. We didn't NEED to KILL them. They posed ABSOLUTELY NO THREAT to the USA. This is a WEAR CRIME!

[Nordic]

61. I agree, the person was describing white phosphorus

which is not what we think of as "poison gas".

I agree with you 100%, bvar22. It doesn't really matter, what matters is that Fallujah was a killing field.

It was a slaughterhouse.

It was an atrocity and a war crime.

We had no business being there in the first place, we had no business going on the offensive.

[stavka]

55. ahhhh. Bullsh*t!

We have just used the usual tactics in an urban warfare setting backed up by the most awesome air support in history for taking a two-bit town.

We've killed a plenty o'folk that we shouldn't have, but those who oppose such action shouldn't make up or perpetuate stories, that's un-American.

[bhikkhu]

57. Death by whatever means is equal,

once you are dead. The use of WP, sonic weapons, etc, is obnoxious, but much less significant than the volume of killing that we can be assured did happen.

The whole argument is similar to the arguments over Saddam's use of chemical weapons "on his own people". Perhaps he did it, perhaps Iran did it, perhaps those 20,000 died by some other means. In any case, we generally ignore the million + who died in the Iran/Iraq war by means we seem to view as fair and reasonable.

Another way of looking at it - we execute here by lethal injection. Is this an atrocity? Would a bullet in the head be more fair and reasonable? Of course not. Dead kids, dead women, dead men...we have blood on our hands, guilt, shame, whatever the means.

[RBHam]

58. The siege of Fallujah - America on a killing spree

By Bill Van Auken, wsws.org
18 November 2004
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/kill-n18.shtml

excerpt:
The razing of Fallujah has exposed the ugly face of US militarism to the world, while posing disturbing questions about the nature of American society itself.

The operation combined the Bush administration’s lust for vengeance over the killing of four US mercenaries in the city last April with a cold-blooded exercise in exemplary punishment aimed at intimidating all those who oppose the continued US occupation of Iraq.

Fallujah now lies in ruins. While the US military claims to have killed up to 2,000 “insurgents,” the number and identity of the dead are not so easily discerned. US forces have responded to small arms fire from houses and other structures by calling in artillery barrages, air strikes with 2,000-pound bombs and air-to-surface missiles together with volleys of tank fire. Homes, apartment buildings and nearly half of the city’s 120 mosques have been destroyed or severely damaged in this fashion.

Eyewitnesses report human corpses littering the city’s streets, gnawed at by starving dogs. Parents have been forced to watch their wounded children die and then bury their bodies in their gardens. According to one credible account, US troops machine-gunned an entire family of five to death when they tried to escape the fighting by swimming across the Euphrates River.

Civilians remaining in Fallujah were ordered to stay in their homes under a round-the-clock curfew or risk near-certain death at the hands of US troops. What was the fate of those who stayed inside? With the media reporting at least one out of every ten buildings flattened by the US bombardment, there is no way of knowing how many bodies lie beneath the rubble. It is also reported that US troops were equipped with thermal sights capable of detecting body heat inside houses. Any such detection was assumed to indicate the presence of “insurgents,” prompting a lethal barrage.

[jamboi]

63. It was white phosphorus.I seriously, seriously doubt there was any gas.n/t

Of course white phosphorous is horrible enough and I'm suprised they even did that. Its kinda one step down from Napalm.

[michael_1166]

64. On our news

in Germany there was a report that some of the corpses of Iraqis found in the streets of Falluja had the consistency of glass.

[Judi Lynn]

65. Horrid. Nightmarish. I read in a different article the bodies appeared

to be "melted."

Appreciate your remarks here already, michael_1166. Very interesting. Welcome to D.U.:hi: :hi:

[michael_1166]

67. Oh, thanks...

Judi Lynn! :-) I'm here because on Nov. 3 I noticed a desire inside me to throw away all my books by american authors, to delete all my bookmarks to US websites and so on... but then 2 things happened: someone on a discussion forum I am a member of mentioned this website, and then I found out about sorryeverybody.com, which really touched me deeply. I started reading here, and so I found out that in the US there are still people who fight for stopping this lunacy that is going on.

The thing that baffles me most on DU is how much religion is a topic. Here in Germany it is just something that's going on in privacy and/or in churches, but nothing that has much of an influence on politics.

[Swamp Rat]

68. .