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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:50 AM
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Ok. There's an article that claims DIRECT theft of the election?
From this site: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

"November 25, 2004—According to informed sources in Washington and Houston, the Bush campaign spent some $29 million to pay polling place operatives around the country to rig the election for Bush. The operatives were posing as Homeland Security and FBI agents but were actually technicians familiar with Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad, Unilect, and Danaher Controls voting machines. These technicians reportedly hacked the systems to skew the results in favor of Bush."

Is it pure bullshit?

Ugh. My head hurts, it's late, I'm going to bed. In a Fascist fucking state. Good grief.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:53 AM
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1. here's his update from today
Madsen has appeared primarily in some pretty fringe websites, but I don't rule out the possibility that he's legit, and I certainly hope he is.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112604Madsen/112604madsen.html
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YankeeFan Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:57 AM
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2. It's Bullshit
There was cameras from at least two different TV stations where I voted. If there was the slightest hint of Hanky Panky it would have shown on the Air. Both stations hate Repubs.

Also, and this one is Very Important;
Why isn't Michael Moore screaming Bloody Murder? He is a quiet as a Grave. If there was anything wrong he would not be quiet.

Of course if he has been bought....Remeber, HE got a fantastic deal when the Tax Cuts from the Bush Leaguers went through. He probably earned more money through the tax cuts than I did for the entire 21st Century so far.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:24 AM
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5. Where you voted...
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 01:25 AM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Isn't everywhere people voted, Sparky.

But you sure do get style points for the largest amount of FUD in one post, this evening.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:33 AM
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6. FUD? n/t ? eom? I need to know what these mean...
newby here, learning

thanks
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Rumba Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:41 AM
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7. FUD

Fear, unease and discomfort (or something similar). It means basically making unsubstantiated "seed of doubt" allegations.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:50 AM
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9. FUD is an abbreviation for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
Definition

FUD was first defined by Gene Amdahl after he left IBM to found his own company, Amdahl: "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:09 AM
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11. n/t = no text , eom = end of message
These mean that the subject is all there is to the post and you don't need to click on the link to read the message. There isn't one.

Welcome to DU,
Make7
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:34 AM
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13. Thanks again, guys
So simple once you know the answers. ;-)
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YankeeFan Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:08 AM
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10. Like I asked...
Where is Moore?

Has he been paid off or what? He has been very quiet lately.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:37 AM
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18. Try checking tv,newspapers or the internet.
I think you'll find him.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:43 AM
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8. I Worked Early Vote In Dallas, TX - I Personally Observed
The ES&S iVotronic machines make mistakes in favor of republicans.

I believe that the election was stolen based on what I saw firsthand.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:41 AM
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19. Remember,He said he didn't want it.
He's a multi-millionaire with a conscience. Only pricks like Novak want to add to their own pile by ripping off taxpayers.
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Saffy Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:58 AM
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3. Here's another few sources to add:
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 01:42 AM by Saffy
"....the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. In 29 precincts there, the County’s website shows, we had the most unexpected results in years: more votes than voters. I’ll repeat that: more votes than voters. 93,000 more votes than voters."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionsproblems


Why isn't this getting the same amount of coverage as the election fraud in the Ukraine, fer crying out loud?!?!?!?!?!?

Saffy


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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:21 AM
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4. There's a money trail to follow.
That's always a good sign.

Madsen doesn't make shit up. He has good sources, and he puts himself on the line. And he's really done that this time.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 06:00 AM
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12. Thanks as always, JanM.
You say so much in so few words. All that is happening, so rapidly is tough to take in all at once. We all keep on saying to ourselves "this can't be happening?". Didn't we all say at one time, "never again"? We've been shocked and awed. I can't take much more.

Once again, thank you for having been here so long with all your insight, inspiration and the knowledge you have tried so hard to share.

Thank you.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:59 AM
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14. Remember this: Watergate started out a tiny blip
At the time, we seemed locked in to this horrific death spiral. Watching Brokaw's self-important take on history last night, I watched that old footage of Nixon and remember how we used to say his nose was growing - like Pinnochio's - because of all the lies he told.

And then, all hell broke loose.

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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:18 AM
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15. Yes, but then we had Dem majority in Congress and a media
that did a better imitation of being "liberal"...who would have ever thought one would be nostalgic for the Nixon/Watergate years?
At this point, our only hope seems to be in a whistleblower/investigative reporter with enough integrity and an ironclad smoking gun that can both withstand the Bushco smear machine and force the MSM to pay attention...
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:31 AM
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17. You are so correct when you talk
about waxing nostalgic for those days. When I watch footage of Nixon's resignation, and hear him speak of what's best for the country, I think, "* will never think of what's best for this nation." He and his ilk care only for themselves.

And it does seem we are headed for a wall with the complicit media and the Repuke-controlled congress.

But heroes will emerge.

Don't know why I say that; I guess I still trust most Americans.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:31 AM
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16. Who can tell anymore?
Believable? Sure, what isn't once you've lost trust in the Free Press and Voting Systems.

Certainly all of the actions taken to "secure" Voting Software from the Eyes of the People, lend a certain spooky creed to it.

And I have seen too much ignored by Corporate TV Pravda to think they would be ANY impediment whatsoever.

Sure it's possible, maybe it happened. It doesn;t realy matter.

because as long as the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are don;t have the guts of Ukrainians, nothing would be done about it anyway, even if the whole goddamned sordid scheme was laid out in the New York Whore Times?

Maybe that's an exaggeration. MAYBE NOT.

And we all know it.
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