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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:15 AM
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Ukraine State TV in Revolt
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Journalists on Ukraine's state-owned channel - which had previously given unswerving support to Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych - have joined the opposition, saying they have had enough of "telling the government's lies".

Journalists on another strongly pro-government TV station have also promised an end to the bias in their reporting. The turnaround in news coverage, after years of toeing the government line, is a big setback for Mr Yanukovych.

Journalists in Ukraine seem to have responded to the call by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko for them to reject government censorship.

A correspondent on the state channel, UT1, announced live on the evening bulletin that the entire news team was going to join the protests in Independence Square. She said their message to the protesters was: "We are not lying anymore".
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More... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4044791.stm


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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:20 AM
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1. I hope they have a peaceful resolution and have another election.
Any other option will be not in the average Ukrainians interest.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:22 AM
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2. Ya gotta love the Ukranians...
Now, if we could only get OUR journalists to do the same thing. Oh...but wait. That's right....we have a free press in this country, don't we? Where ever did I get the notion that our media don't report the facts and partake in censorship?
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:23 AM
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3. I think it would be good if this country learned a thing or two ...
... from the Ukranians.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:24 AM
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4. Wow.
We can only hope some of the Bush media-lackeys will see this and wake up, and remember what they went to journalism school for, in the first place.


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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:27 AM
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5. May Greg Palast and Krugman lead the pack, along with Molly I and
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 10:34 AM by anarchy1999
Jim Hightower. So many others to name. So few get heard. May Greg Palast lead them all. www.gregpalast.com

And please will our media please start paying attention to Robert Fisk, along with Zinn and the list just goes on and on.....

Please add to it.

I forgot Helen Thomas, god love her. How many presidents has she covered now? 4 decades I believe, and let us not forget Sy Hersh. Damn, there are just too many good ones to name all at once. Maybe "our" media will follow the example being set for all in the name of democracy.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:29 AM
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6. Where would you stand on this issue, if the poll results....
...are correct? I am being very careful with this issue. There is a great deal at stake to the West as well as to Russia. At the moment, I don't trust anyone. Time to stand on the sidelines and watch...carefully.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:47 AM
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9. OR - what if Moscow's people are just ignoring a US fix? Why?
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 11:05 AM by cyberpj
MONEY AND OIL, OF COURSE.......

I just finished reading this on another thread and it occurred to me that the US may be objecting to their supported guy not winning because the Moscow group want to go Euro and we don't want that.

I'm not saying there wasn't election fraud, probably always has been, I'm just saying it's odd how public and determined the US is to have it OUR WAY this time.

Consider this:

Understanding the dollar's decline against the euro in the oil business:

President Vladimir Putin has stated both publicly and privately that invoicing Russia's crude-oil and gas exports to the European Union in euros instead of in dollars makes very good sense for both Russia and the EU. Putin is known to have very close relations with "old Europe", primarily Germany and France. His statements and those of German and French leaders have even on occasion drawn attention to the fact that US global dominance fundamentally rests on the fact that the dollar is the international currency, and that if an exit from the dollar were to occur in the sphere of global petro-transactions, the effect would be seriously to undermine that global dominance. Furthermore, a number of oil-exporting countries have already gone on public record as to their preference to make an exit from petro-dollars in favor of petro-euros. They have indicated that if Russia begins such a move to petro-euros, they will rapidly follow Russia's lead. The net effect would be a rapid international abandonment of the dollar as the international currency, which would in turn "bring down the towers" of the heavily debt-ridden US economy.

If Russia is perhaps positioning itself to make even a partial exit from the dollar in the pricing of its petro-transactions, then the Asian and other economies don't want to risk being left out in the cold, unprepared, seeing the value of their own huge dollar reserves undermined by a steep or chaotic decline in the value of the dollar. They cannot afford to ignore Russia's moves. Hence as Russia moves to decrease the percentage of its own holdings of dollars, so are the big Asian economies, as well as many other economies around the globe. No one wants to get burned in the event Russia moves to the euro. Additionally, as the dollar continues to weaken and crude oil continues to rise in price, having the dollar as the preferred international currency for petro-transactions will become more of a liability, especially for the big Asian economies, which are heavy importers of crude oil. This fact will tend to further undermine Asian, as well as the rest of international support for the dollar.

Entire article here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/FK25Dj03.html


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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:35 AM
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7. I wish our media would have a Howard-Beale moment.
Just once would be nice. Forever would be better.
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:38 AM
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8. This is so just amazing
Can you even IMAGINE our media doing such a thing? Standing up there and essentially saying, "We've been lying to you good folks out there for lotsa years, and we're not gonna do it anymore!"

What courage! As it's been said, "Courage isn't absence of fear, it's knowing what to really be afraid of."

These amazing journalists have finally 'figured it out' (what to really be afraid of). Wish 'our' mainstream journalists would...
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