Howsabout we make a list of Taking Points for Jesus? And use 'em.

[elehhhhna]

Love your neighbor. There's one.

[Hello_Kitty]

1. Turn the other cheek

Although, the Pukes will say you're soft on terror....

[myomy]

32. you can get black and blue turning the other cheek.

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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Render unto Casar that which is Caesar's

and to God that which is God's.

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[AuntiBush]

4. Love thine Enemy

Of course that means we gotta be really nice to the reds!

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. And the meek shall inherit the earth.

[G_j]

6. one thought

Caesar was no doubt more brutal than Saddam. Jesus the "Prince of Peace" never advocated war or violence against him or anyone.

and he did say, "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword"

[0007]

20. The man from Nazarene also said, nothing was worth fighting for except

the salvation of your soul.

[mcg]

7. "give to the poor"

[zippy890]

8. Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they shall be called the children of God
(Matthew ch 5)


and from the bible:

'It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven

[Liberal Veteran]

9. Here's a list of talking points for you

On defense: Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Blessed are the peacemakers." "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:44; 5: 9; 5:39.)

On social programs: "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." (Matthew 19:21.)

On rugged individualism and the pursuit of self-interest: "Love your neighbor as yourself." "So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you." (Matthew 22:39; 7:12.)

On financial success: "Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." "You cannot serve both God and Money." (Matthew 19:23; 6:24.)

On the philosophy that "greed is good": "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions." (Luke 12:15.)

On paying taxes: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." (Matthew 22:22.)

On crime and punishment: "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (John 8:7; Matthew 7:1,2.)


On money-hungry televangelists: "In the temple courts found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." (John 2:14,15.)

On the free lunch: "Taking the five loaves and two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves… The number of those who ate was about five thousand men…" (Matthew 14:19,21.)

On the perks and privileges of power: "After that, poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him." (John 13:5.)

On moral absolutes: "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?" "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:11; Mark 2:27.)

On family: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple." Also: "'Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?' Pointing to his disciples, he said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers.'" (Luke 14:26; Matthew 12:48,49.)

On race relations: In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus praised the morality of a hated foreigner over his own countrymen. (Luke 10:30-37.)

On the superiority of one's native country: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.'" (Matthew 10:5,6.)

On letting others pull themselves up by their own bootstraps: "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous." (Luke 14:13,14.)

[Tuddie]

17. Hooray!!

Thanks for taking the time to put it all down in one place.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. Exactly

:D

[delete_bush]

30. Good list, I was looking up the Luke 14 one about how

you're supposed to hate your family, and reading a few verses down, came upon this:

(31) Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? (32) Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. (33) So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

For the US to go into Iraq with too few troops, and then no attempt at negotiating for peace, does this mean Chimpy's in trouble with Jesus?

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. Very, very good. Here is another one I learned on DU

On being a flamboyant Christian:

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corner, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward.
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father, who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

Matthew 6:5-6

[Gman]

10. It doesn't matter. For every big J talking point you can come up with

the radical "christian" clerics will come up with some obscure biblical phrase taken out of context from the Old Testament that they say is really the right thing.

[timtom]

11. But a rhetorical analysis will reveal

an overarching unity to the things Jesus said and did.

Matthew 22:36-40
36. "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37. Jesus replied: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38. This is the first and greatest commandment.
39. And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

This looks pretty definitive. And no amount of obfuscation and "muddying the waters" with out-of-context scriptures can ever successfully refute the this clear directive. Anyone caught so doing will end up a Republican -- or worse.

[Gman]

14. There's no doubt about what you say, but

they really don't give a damn. Asking people to think and analyze doesn't work. We are headed for a showdown in this country soon.

[annabanana]

18. that is the creepiest picture......................

[timtom]

28. I agree with you completely.

I was pointing out the incredible simplicity that is missed by the hateful warmongers.

We are, indeed, at a defining moment in our history.

<edited for horrible grammar errors>

[Gman]

33. Again, the incredible simplicity is not missed at all

it is just totally ignored.

[fugue]

15. Ah, the lead-in to the Parable of the Good Samaritan

Here's an updated version (the Parable of the Good Muslim):

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Nov2004/Moralis1103.htm

[timtom]

29. Excellent clarification.

Thanks, fugue.

[Warpy]

25. That's when you ask them about their cotton/poly clothing,

selling their daughters into slavery, killing children who sass them, and you ruin their enjoyment of football by quoting Leviticus and how touching the skin of a pig is an abomination before the lord.

That's when they mumble something about all that stuff being superceded by the coming of Christ. Then you ask them why they use the irrelevant laws to justify being unchristian.

If they bring up Paul, and faith alone being sufficient, you mention that Paul was born the same year Christ died and that he never heard the message and certainly didn't preach it. Ask then if a mortal who never met Christ is more important than Christ, especially when his words are used to justify unchristian behavior.

By this time, your fundy friend will nearly be in tears, and you can be merciful and judge not lest ye be judged, turn your back cheeks, and let him chew on those questions for a while.

[Dogmudgeon]

12. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

Or, in the modern translation (The King Jimmi-J-Jamz version), "Yo, don't go around makin' up no shit about nobody else."

--p!

[cavanaghjam]

13. Just cut and paste

The Sermon on the Mount. That says it all.

BTW, Old Testament quotes should be greeted with, "But the New Testament is 'the great leap forward.' Leave the old behind."

[fugue]

16. Can you provide a quote from the New Testament proving this is so?

I've heard people say this, but without a bible verse to back it up, it seems to me that you're whistling in the dark.

With someone who believes in all that, that is. I'm an agnostic. ^_^

[cavanaghjam]

19. No quote

but it seems obvious that a transition from "an eye for an eye" to "love thine enemies" makes Old and New Testaments as different as can be. And I use the "great leap forward" phrase just to goad rightwingers.

[OutsourceBush]

24. For those who believe in this crap

Supposedly that is why Jesus was sent to earth, to provide the new laws of God. The new covenent. That is why everything that he supposedly said will trump the old testament. All you would have to do is ask the heathen if they believe in Jesus. If they say yes, then you got them.

praise tha lord, praise Jesus Bush ... amen brother hallelujah!

[fugue]

26. Well, yes, but we need to be able to *document* it

Otherwise they'll say the whole bible is holy. I was once talking with a woman who insisted it was all perfect and literally true. Never mind that the very first thing is two mutually exclusive accounts of creation, the whole thing is perfect and literally true, and I just have to believe that even if my limited human brain can't make it work.

[OutsourceBush]

27. You are kinda lazy ass aren't you...

Ok...here is some more for you, now go forward and be a lazy ass researcher no more, thus sayeth me! Yahoo.com search is your friend lazy ass, amen Jesus Bush, my anti-Christ king

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/~tttbbs/EPN-1/VerseLists/verse188.html

[fugue]

31. Lazy is the last thing I am . . .

You don't know me at all. I've done the search. I just haven't been successful.

[pauliedangerously]

34. If God were omniscient...

Why isn't there just ONE Testament? It seems that the Guy people think is God must only be the Director of the Milky Way or something. Perhaps people should be asking to speak to God's supervisor...clearly the REAL God hasn't bothered to communicate with anyone on this planet.

[RegexReader]

21. and the ultimate one is

When Jesus was alive,
He was a Liberal!

RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

[marieaey]

23. POLL of moral value voters, please participate. Thanks

I am currently polling folks at CGCS as to their motivations about their vote choice. http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6617

Although this is a very UNSCIENTIFIC poll I plan on sending to a variety of media giants. I thought what is being said there could and does reflect in this thread. Hope it's ok to post their link???? We post links to DU all the time there. Sorry in advance if I am breaking a rule. Thanks All in advance.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411240001
Media allowed conservative religious leaders to define "moral values"
In five days following election, conservative religious figures made 15 media appearances to progressive religious leaders' five.

Go to link to read the full article.

best wishes marie

[BiggJawn]

36. Give 'em Matthew 6:5-6...

And tell them that includes their "Fish" decal on their SUV...