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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:04 AM
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Civil Disobedience 101
Ok, time we face it, we will need to do this. Oh and my fellow DU'ers it is UP TO YOU AND ME.

So what can you do?

Civil Disobedinece relies on you NOT confronting the police or the authorities. IF you think you cannot control your temper don't go to demonstrations, or do so after taking classes in PEACEFUL civil disobedience.

But there are many other things you can and SHOULD DO.

1.- Engage other people... lines are great at supermarkets.

2.- Leafleting.... there are many ways of doing this. You can stand on a corner, and well you know good luck. Use that pesky human curiosity to your advantage. Go ahead and print your leaflet, and then fold it so it looks like it has been "read" and then "forget it on the bus." Ok, ok, so you don't take the bus? See them cars at the mall? Hey they leave that crap for the gym, leave a leaflet.

3.- Cafes, salons, they coome in many names... meet with others meet ups are great, strategise, commiserate, watch for infilatration.

4. Economic Activism.

5.- Flash demonstrations, they come together and disapear just as fast, they can be ahem very unerving, but effective

6.- Demostrantions

Oh and one more thing, don't expect others to do this for you. YOu and I are now those leaaders people are looking for... so godamit LEAD

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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:09 AM
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1. i'm all for it
except leaving flyers on cars, that annoys the hell out of me
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:13 AM
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2. Try laundromats, beauty shops, doctor's offices...
People stuck waiting will read anything.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:13 AM
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3. All of these. + All of the time. + All of us.
I agree very strongly. Here's a few more :

7. Wear a peace sign or other message button all of the time.

8. Become a subject matter expert on social and economic justice. Call churches and ask to meet with their Social Concerns committees.

9. Stickers, stickers, stickers anywhere, everywhere http://brainbuttons.com/

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:15 AM
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4. 1. Engage other people - how to reframe the debate
Pardon me nadinbrzezinski, for posting this again like I did in your other thread. Here are links to get the ball rolling:

http://www.changethis.com/5.GeorgeLakoff
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/elephant/PDFs

Now all you DUers out there that are willing to work for democracy, GO DO IT NOW!!!

*****

Don’t Think of an Elephant!
Know Your Values and Frame the Debate

The Essential Guide for Progressives

George Lakoff
Foreword by Howard Dean
Introduction by Don Hazen

Don’t Think of An Elephant! is the antidote to the last forty years of conservative strategizing and the right wing’s stranglehold on political dialogue in the United States.

Author George Lakoff explains how conservatives think, and how to counter their arguments. He outlines in detail the traditional American values that progressives hold, but are often unable to articulate. Lakoff also breaks down the ways in which conservatives have framed the issues, and provides examples of how progressives can reframe the debate.

Lakoff’s years of research and work with environmental and political leaders have been distilled into this essential guide, which shows progressives how to think in terms of values instead of programs, and why people vote their values and identities, often against their best interests.

Don’t Think of an Elephant! is the definitive handbook for understanding and communicating effectively about key issues in the 2004 election, and beyond.

(snip)

http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/media/elephant

*****

Linguistics professor George Lakoff dissects the "war on terror" and other conservative catchphrases

By Bonnie Azab Powell, NewsCenter | 26 August 2004

BERKELEY – With the Democratic National Convention over and the Republican one beginning next week, it seemed a good time to check in with George Lakoff, the UC Berkeley professor of cognitive linguistics whose scrutiny of the language of politics has begun to bring him national recognition. The author of the seminal book "Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think," Lakoff's specialty is dissecting "framing," or the ways in which conservatives and liberals position issues to fit their respective moral worldviews. (For more on framing, read this excerpt from the NewsCenter's October 2003 interview with Lakoff.) He grasps how Republicans use language more effectively than Democrats, and what Democrats can do about it.

When we last talked to Lakoff, he had just embarked on a one-year sabbatical from UC Berkeley to work on three books, none of them about politics. He got sidetracked. Presidential candidate Howard Dean made "Moral Politics" required reading for his campaign staff, more than 200 advocacy groups called for Lakoff's advice, the Democratic senators invited him twice to their policy retreats, and he began getting calls from progressive groups around the country. The Rockridge Institute, the progressive think tank he cofounded with seven other UC professors to reframe public debate, began buzzing with activity. In response to demand, Lakoff set aside his linguistic research for intense — and in many ways more challenging — study of the application of linguistics and cognitive science to politics.

In the last couple of months he has written a short book, "Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate," which will be marketed at first over the Internet with the help of a host of advocacy groups. Billed as the "essential guide for progressives," the book is praised by such members of the liberal pantheon as Dean, the founders of MoveOn.org, the Sierra Club's Carl Pope, and billionaire political activist George Soros. The $10 paperback can be ordered from the publisher, Chelsea Green, and from Amazon.com; it will be published around September 8.

(snip)

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/08/25_lakoff.shtml
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:19 AM
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5. Oh not at all
feel free....

;-)

The more info the better, just getting the ball rolling
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:08 AM
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6. Gosh, you just about read my mind
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 01:14 AM by gumby
I started to write how I've been thinking about "Fahrenheit 451" and how 'we' need to start an 'oral tradition' but never posted.

I'm definitely going to start talking, talking, talking.

I was also pondering how a 'verbal history' could be constructed, ala Lakoff to present to family members and children.

We're on our own here and language and the transmission of language about our country is the up-most weapon against the foe we face.

I'll go here: My grandmother knew where to obtain an abortion in the 1930s.

edit: I once wore a black arm band about a Poppy Bush rule and people asked me about it.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:21 AM
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7. I'll add one more item to this list

As trivial as it may seem :

Whatever you do, do it with an element of class and style.

You need to attract, rather than repulse. Figure out who you are trying to reach, then be aware of how they are reacting to you and how you are coming across to them. 95% of the Republican propaganda machine is geared toward poisoning and roadblocking this kind of positive interaction between "the left" and the general public. They are spinning out strawmen and caricatures at 1000 mph to prevent us from connecting with the rest of the public (and them with us). They would not be putting so much effort into this if they thought such connection was irrelevent. They know better. So should we. There are mountains of admirable and attractive qualities what we progressives share. Put them to work for you :)


MDN






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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:25 AM
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8. I sugest we do this using Ameircan traditions
Them founding fathers are just begging to be quoted... and so apropriate today, when dealing with a new tyranny
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:36 AM
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10. Agree!
As much as I love to scream "FUCK BUSH*" and "REPUBLICANS SUCK!", it doesn't really help voters to our cause, or even make them think. Direct attacks on bush* or people who voted for bush* will push people farther into defense and denial.

I'm looking at the Class War as a good target of opportunity.

Like posting signs at the supermarket BB:

"My millionaire neighbor bought a new HUMMER with his tax break.
What did you buy?"

or

"Is it trickling down on you yet?"
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:36 AM
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9. This is a superb start
We probably ought to define and describe "Civil Disobedience" a bit more thoroughly.

AND, yes, we should get some of the old Boomers like me to share tips, experiences, etc. (This has actually been done before here at DU, but a long time ago and I've long since lost the link, unfortunately.)

I'm way too tired to go into it much tonight, but I'll just say this. Martin Luther Kind, Jr., was greatly influenced by Gandhi, who (AFAIK) invented Civil Disobedience. For King and his followers, it was very much a spiritual practice.

It's DISOBEDIENCE, not violence or anarchy or vandalism. And, as already pointed out: no confrontations should ever be initiated.

People must also be willing to go to jail for the disobedience.

Famous Examples: you were supposed to go to the back of the bus? Just say no -- sit in the empty seat in the front (thank you, Rosa Parks). Not supposed to eat at the Woolworth lunch counter? Just say no (thank you a bunch of people). Not supposed to have a peaceful march into Selma? Just say no (thank you a bunch of people, many of whom like Congressman John Lewis were severely beaten for their trouble).

Gandhi brought down the British Empire in India -- through non-violent civil disobedience.

We're going to have to be a lot more creative than ever before.

AND, for those who have no stomach for this kind of thing, that's fine. Your presence is needed in the mainstream, pushing forward the agenda in more "mainstream" ways. BOTH approaches are needed (nay, essential), both are valuable and viable. So let's not have those tired old discussions about whether we SHOULD or shouldn't take this approach. We should take BOTH approaches, always.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:36 AM
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12. Thanks, some of us young'ins learned history
that said, Ghandhi invented it, (in the modern form) and Martin used it and adapted it to the American lanscape.

I fear this time of teaching now will be followed by action.

I know that every revolt starts with a single act....

Will be printing some leaphlets tomorrow and ahem, abandoning them at places like public transportation... and food courts and book stores...

I know how careless of me....

I have told folks WE ARE those leaders... now lets act like such...

Hmmm and I do have my cane... which will help... don't ask... its an image thing... would never think of using that cane in any shape or form as a weapon

Some other more advanced techniques

Seat ins... yep you choose your target and go SEAT there and refuse to move... can we say the lunch counters in Alabama?

Teach ins Find a nice place where you can pass information and teach others what is going on. Underground teach ins will have to be held.

vigils. They are self explanatory, we should have a nationwide vigil for dead troops every so often, where photos are held... in front of your average gov'ment building.

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:03 AM
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13. a couple of unhelpful points
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 10:09 AM by tinanator
both Ghandi and MLK were assassinated. Not the optimum outcome, but certainly the likeliest. Strange how few fascists ever bite the big bullet. Despite MLK's tremendous legacy, he would be nothing without the militant rhetoric and true leadership of Malcolm X. We are not up against boy scouts here. I totally agree with the notion of avoiding Bush and Republican bashing as a means, rather we need to have our historical ducks lined up and at the ready. Once (IF) we can shift the discussion from the traditional divide and conquer us against them defined as Dems vs Reps, and turn it into the American citizen versus the corporatocracy that has ruled us and set the agenda for decades going on centuries, then you can make a favorable argument with wide appeal. It actually requires holding the Democratic Party equally responsible for all of the wrongs visited upon us by the imperial Bush administration. Take that road and the freeps are legless.

There are TWO issues that need to be planks in our response to the reality that confronts us (which includes a very evil media that will never work in our favor) fundamental to our needs on the broadest level. Air and water quality. It is necessary to focus attention on the environment in order to truly demonstrate whats wrong with our unrepresentive anti-democracy and what we should be able to expect from a functional non-fascist government.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:48 AM
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15. Can you list
the top 5 things Martin would not have been able to accomplish without Malcolm? Even the top 1?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:39 PM
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20. I will ask
Are you willing to die? Are you willing to take a bullet? Are you willing to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Yes I am aware exactly of what I am asking... and what I am willing to give up... my life.

I took an oath, and one salient line says... "To defend and protect the Constitution of the US against enemies both foreign and domestic."

I also read the Declaration, and was reminded of it the other day... those who can act, must act.

This is not my choice, but my duty.

Oh and Ghandi was killed not by a fascist but a nationalist, a Pakistani nationalist, small but significant difference... now Martin, he took a bullet from either a white supremacists, or the government, what conspiracy you want to believe? And it is somewhere in the middle...

But the fundamental question is.... ARE YOU willing to die for your country and future generations?
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:58 AM
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16. The changes in India were mostly due to contractions of the british empire
not Ghandi's pacifist approach.

Don't lay down for the cops to drag you away. It does absolutely nothing to stop those in power. Passive civil disobedience is a joke. You need to do something tangible rather than symbolic. For example,
a demonstration is only successful if it is used to block workers
from entering a munitions plant. If all you are doing is standing on
a street corner for an hour and then going home you have done nothing
but let a few people blow off steam so they can feel good about going back to work.




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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:44 PM
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21. I beseech you to READ about the civil rights movement
I bessech you to read of the seat ins at Montgomery

Then you tell me it is not effective...

It is just how YOU CHOOSE to do it

If you stand at the corner you are correct... if you get you and oh 1500 of your friends to PEACEFULLY block access... then you achieved something

Remember, if it bleeds it leads, and if you do something VIOLENT you give them all the justification they need to ennact PA 2 and PA3
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:42 AM
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11. You mentioned flash demonstrations
Check out http://www.flocksmart.com/about/
You can arrange what they call a flock (essentially a flash demonstration) through their site. Basically you post a public announcement that people should show up at a specific place and time and all perform a specific (legal and harmless) act at the same time. The site is geared more towards "performance art" but there's no reason it couldn't be an act with political meaning, and you could leave pamphlets or stickers behind. We could even announce them on DU and post a link to the page that describes the flock.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:41 AM
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14. small, but
i do have some post "election" buttons.
http://pinkobuttons.com

will be adding some ukraine related ones shortly.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:27 PM
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17. More on civil disobedience
First off, I did some leaphleting today... and it was kind of... light bulbs going on... hmm

In fact a bush voter told me... you know I voted for bush, it is a family tradition... but I did not expect him to win... now it is making sense.

He took a leaphlet and was going to make 300 copies to distribute to friends... another lady, works at the store I made teh copies at... I made the reference to the Barney Franks email to one DU'er and she herself said the famous worlds... "in the course of human events..."

Another, a kid really, said what can I do? So for the moment I had her making copies and giving it to friends. Directed her to DU for organization purposes.... at taht moment I had no time to start organizing her... but told her to start talking and making noise

Oh and jewel... one older lady said... what we will have to do all we did in the sixties? Yes ma'am and then some.

Now while taking a break I did go into Borders and got myself a book on MLK and leadership... and I also picked up Ghandi's autobiography.

For the moment, people need to see that their gut is not wrong... so go out there and talk to people...
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xerox Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:29 PM
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18. How about
everybody go to DC and take a dump on the white house lawn. "you shit on us we shit on you." That would be cool!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:48 PM
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19. I know you want to do something but that is a good
way to get them snipers to get some practice

Now going to the white house with flash demos may work, but see about them snipers

We need to be intelligent about it
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