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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:38 AM
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What is the future??
First, yes I only have a few posts, but No, I am not a troll or freeper. This is a serious question that I hope will generate some response.
Where do we go from here? What do we prepare for? Obviously we can't go back to business as usual. We are under a fascist regime with nearly half of the citizens being duped or worse actually realizing what is going on and believing in it.
But, what does this mean? Is it as simple as we work harder, protests letter writing, and attempts to awaken those who just don't see what the country is slipping into?
Do we support the democratic party at all costs? Green? A new progressive party?
Or are we truely on the verge of civil war and the crash of society as we know it?
I need to know how you feel, if the latter is the case, then we need to prepare. In fact whatever the case we need to prepare.
Whatever the case we will need to be organized. Where does this start? Here?
I know all of this has been discussed here and there on different threads, but I am looking for straight out answers and theories.
Do you have basis for your beliefs (history) or is it just gut feeling?
Thanks
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:40 AM
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1. I suspect we will do all of these and more
As to what we should do, I don't know. But there might be some value in all of us working to solve and minimize the impact of these problems as individuals. I think the only constant has to be to really try to fix them. Try to do things that will help people and educate people and make things better.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Horushawk Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:49 AM
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2. Good Question
I will vote for a 3rd party candidate, after doing my homework on said candidate. I will vote Dem if there is not a 3rd party candidate. I live in Texas. As you know Texas has been Hijacked by the Repugs. So voting 3rd Party in my State only sends a message. It does not put people in office. I also have a Two Year plan to move to Canada.
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offcenter Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:00 PM
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7. Will Canada be annexed?
The two nations' military, police and intelligence services are converging. This article examines what could be creeping annexation:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html

I wouldn't count on it as a refuge from oppression.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:41 PM
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9. Have you heard of the Pan American Union?(HOWDY by the way)
It's the convergence between Canada,America and Mexico.Molson's brewery are giving out free hats and t-shirts with its beer:"I Was Canadian"
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offcenter Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:10 PM
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10. Hidee ho!
Nope, haven't heard of it.
Is it a deep, dark, sinister plot to dominate the world?
... or just to sell beer?
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Horushawk Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:37 PM
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12. Well Crap
New Zealand is my 2nd choice.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:04 PM
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3. The Future Is an Infinite Succession of Presents. . .
The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.
--Howard Zinn
http://www.bruderhof.com/articles/zinn-optimism.htm


The absolutely MOST IMPORTANT thing we can do right now is educate ourselves and our friends and family about what is really going on. The way I do this is by READING a lot of posts here on DU and SELECTING certain articles, copying and pasting them in emails out to people I know. I've set up a network that includes everything from blue collar workers through soccer moms to PhD's. And each of these, in turn, sends them out to their list. We HAVE to do this because the "reality" that the media is creating is false--and we must reach as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

Another thread somewhere here on DU talks about "grocery store blogging" which is simply printing out a bold headline with a URL for more information and posting it on a bulletin board.

Beyond that, as Howard Zinn says in the article linked above, as much as humanly possible we must LIVE THE VALUES WE HOLD. That means, for example, choosing very consciously how we use our money, where we save it, where we spend it, how we earn it--and so on. But of course this is not limited to economic matters. We also need to live our social values as well. If we believe in caring for others, then we need to demonstrate that caring however we can.

There may be many concrete suggestions that can be made but we must be careful not to lay down to strict a path for ourselves. We are entering a time of great upheaval and change and no one at this point can predict with certainty precisely what the future will bring. I, for one, believe it is very likely that the neo-cons will allow or create another "terrorist" event, far more disastrous than 9/11. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it were nuclear in nature--which would give them the go-ahead for the draft, for the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the ME, and much else besides. This would also work to silence almost all descent. I hope this does not come to pass. I hope we can find some way to corral these psychopaths and put them behind bars where they belong. But no one can say what precisely will occur. We must be ready to roll with the punches. Clearly the more INFORMED people are about what is going on, the better for us all as the masses will be less likely to be manipulated by whatever the corporate owned media says.

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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:40 PM
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4. Thanks...
I really like the concept of grocery store blogging. I would like to see this organized on a national scale. Such as a website where we have the messages of the week. Choose the ones you wish to use. Print and post.
I hope this thread doesn't get lost, I owuld really like to hear more people's visions and simply what everyone expects to happen.
Its things like seeing the hate emanating from places like "we're not sorry" that makes me wonder if we are on the verge of civil war, no doubt its already a cold war.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 12:44 PM
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5. According to Leonard Cohen, it's MURDER!!!
Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!

Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.


Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant.

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I was the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's RIDING crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder.


Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and a white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'.

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder.


Things are going to slide ...

When they said REPENT REPENT ...

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:23 PM
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6. I LOVE COHEN...
thanks for posting that.
The man is a prophet.
bhn
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Unstuck In Time Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:25 PM
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8. I'll tell you later. - n/t
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offcenter Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:11 PM
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11. After the firebombing? (n/t)
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