Gas to Liquids technology, clean fuel, able to run in fuel cells

[HysteryDiagnosis]

This company and perhaps others like it may lead us to a greener world where the fuels we use are devoid of sulphur and heavy metals.... methinks....

www.rentechinc.com

http://www.rentechinc.com/fuelcells.htm
>>The environmental characteristics of fuels made from gas-to-liquids (GTL) processes have been known for many years. Because GTL fuels contain no sulfur, aromatic compounds or metals, and having a high cetane number in comparison to standard diesel fuels, it is a very clean burning fuel which substantially reduces emissions when compared to other fuels.<<

>>In recent testing, the qualities which have shown GTL fuels to be a clear alternative to address new emission standards for cleaner air are also proving to be the very same characteristics that will make an excellent feedstock for fuel cell technology. GTL fuels contain high amounts of hydrogen, twice that of methanol. Hydrogen is the fuel necessary to generate power for a fuel cell. GTL fuels being devoid of sulfur, aromatics and metals allow for little or no residue build up in the fuel cell process unlike other fuels being studied. Additionally , the fact that GTL fuels can be delivered through the existing infrastructure makes the use of GTL fuels for fuel cells practical and more economical than other fuels.<<

[whistle]

1. Neat site, why Texeco?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. I haven't perused the entire site and I am not sure what the reference to

Texaco is.... perhaps Texaco also has gas to liquids techniques.. not sure, if you want link me to the page or reference on Texaco....

[whistle]

3. It's in the opening page in the logos that pop up around the. . .

. . . green globe with the flame. It's right at the top. Are they providing the bullish*t which ferments and produces the gases which then undergo the various processes?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Most flare-gas from refineries is burned off... what a stupid stupid thing

to do in my opinion, of course I could be wrong, but perhaps Rentech can turn this into a liquid fuel... not sure, just speculating, and if so... Texaco might be involved in this venture... all guesswork here.... :)

[whistle]

5. Good point, I don't know why refineries have engaged in this. . .

. . . apparent wasteful process, so I did a search and here are some sites that talk about it:

http://www.opec.co.uk/casestudies_jr03.html

http://www.wcel.org/wcelpub/2003/14040.html

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/regs/part223.html

I'm not a chemist, but it appears that the burn-off is actually from a certain amount of flammable gas to be combusted to the (more) toxic by-products that result from the different refining processes which is allowed to vent directly into the atmosphere or environment would be far more lethal than in the broken down form which burning yields. Uh-mm, so we are poisoned more slowly rather than right away!

As for heat/energy recovery from this burn-off, one would think that would be feasible, but I suppose the oil companies find it easier just to spill it rather than engineer and maintain an every smaller energy salvation pyramid through all this. Greed I suppose keeps the marginal rate of return at its highest level.

[slaveplanet]

7. I'll tell you why

Because there is a non-shortage of oil.

It is the same reason they use giant jet turbines to pump natural gas back INTO the ground at the massive oil feilds , It is the same reason they cap off the massive oil pools they've found in Alaska, it is the same reason they ship Alaskan oil to the orient at reduced prices...there is simply too much of it...they just don't want you to know that

[NickB79]

8. Uh huh

And their logic behind this would be what now? Hiding oil reserves to drive oil prices sky-high ultimately hurts your long-term profits because it drives the economy down. A poor economy uses less oil, meaning you lose money overall.

BTW, can you provide a link about this "oil to the orient at reduced prices" quote? I hardly think Asia is getting oil cheaply nowadays. While you're at it, can you provide a link to the "massive oil pools" you say were found in Alaska? There hasn't been a major, easily exploitable oil deposit discovered in at least a decade, if not more. Ah hell, can you back up ONE thing you just posted about, like the jet turbines pumping oil BACK into the ground?

[slaveplanet]

9. you have to look at it in a world view

not individual economies, these people only rely on nationalism when it suis their needs, Like say an invasion of the middle east. At the top levels these decisions are made on a global basis.
Yes it will drive the economy down , this is what they want for now until their control is completely consolidated(NWO)

Money means nothing to these people , they could spend millions per day and never run out. It's all about control and manipulation.
think of it like this. they invade Iraq to make sure the spigot gets shut off...not on. and hey , as bonus it makes a great staging ground for deciding which spigot to turn off next.

As far a shipping oil to the orient goes, just google around . Official for public release puts the cap at 7% of all oil shipped from the north slope. Mr Williams claims that number in reality is closer to 40%.
The British now control this. Americans should be up in arms at the fact that any gets shipped eastward.

The massive capped pools at Gull Island and Kuparuk have been know to ct'er for years. Read energy non-crisis chapter 17

I first learned about all the oil they're keeping the lid on when I took a greyhound bus trip to NYC in 2002. I had the pleasure of meeting this gentleman that was just returning from a 2 year stint checking the pipeline for cracks, and seismic retrofits. the information he layed on me was mindblowing.

yes we're out of oil, the same way we're out of water, gold and diamonds. and air....

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. So the answer to 'can you provide links'

is no.

[slaveplanet]

11. you have a computer

it has google....use it



Addendum
Alaska, Inc. to include certain portions ) Conservation Order No. 329
of ADL 34626 and ADL 34629 in the Niakuk ) Prudhoe Bay Field
pool rules area. ) Niakuk Oil Pool

January 11, 1994

17. The Gull Island 3 well, drilled on ADL 34629, is still confidential, but was drilled to a depth of 9945 feet TVD and plugged and abandoned on March 14, 1992.

DONE at Anchorage, Alaska and dated January 11, 1994.

David W. Johnston, Chairman
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission

Russell A. Douglass, Commissioner
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission

Tuckerman Babcock, Commissioner
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission

[slaveplanet]

12. pumping the gas

back into the ground ....I saw that on Bill moyers "Now", is that good enough. They used to burn it off, now they have no choice but to pipe it out or put it back into the ground. "Now" did a whole segment on the red tape over the Alaska route versus the Canadian route. Not only that , there is supposedly a 200 year natgas supply in the Prudhoe field alone(that is for the entire US)....and drilling is currently reserved only to a small corner.

According to Williams, from the data he was shown, Kuparuk is twice the size of Prudhoe, and Gull island is at minimum , four times the size of the Prudhoe pool...and those were only the ones he saw the hard data on, this was in the 70's, guess what, they're still pumping the Prudhoe pool. he estimates there are at least 13 such massive pools there. If true this is the largest known supply on the planet.

[Dark]

6. But how expensive is it? n/t