My Take On Micheal Moore If You Are Interested

[saracat]

Micheal was dresses that way to make a statement. He said if you can't beat them ,dress like them. He was dressing like what the people voted for. It was a way of flaunting you didn't want the truth. You wanted a suit. He was quite bitter. There is no way he was praising Bush. He was heavily sarcastic. His story about Bush's story was bitter but resigned. As he said, they told a better story. The implication was, Bush with the bullhorn keeping us safe, it was a better story, but it isn't true.I do think he thinks we lost the election. I think he is fearful of what may come. I think he is expressing his disappointment with the American voter. I think he is very sad for our soldiers, now that hope is NOT on the way. I wish MMoore had helped the Dems tell the story instead of quarterbacking now, but for all I know he tried and they didn't listen. I know I talked to them about message and they didn't listen, but who am I? Micheal should have had clout but maybe he didn't. And that may also be making him sad. Don't rag about him right now.I don't think he deserves it. I would hold the negative emails as well.He seems as hurt as we are.JMHO

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

1. I saw part of the show and thought he was OK but not great

As i said in another thread, i think he was sure bush would lose and never factored in the election fraud possibility. Most of us here knew that Kerry needed to get 60% to get 50%.

[Luminous Animal]

2. I'm interested...

That was very heartfelt and lovely. Mike's being attacked from both the left and the right. He needs to know why we (many of us) respect and admire him.

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[tridim]

3. I thought he looked like he was dressed for a funeral

I'm not going to judge him by what he said tonight because he fought harder than anyone to get rid of Bush. He was just beat by the rigged system.

[Syrinx]

4. "the republicans are better storytellers"

ie., liars.

[intheflow]

5. Yeah, I "heard" him say that, too. n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. All I kept thinking was...

This line from Forest Gump, "it's such a lovely story, and you tell it so well."

He was right, they (the people who voted *) listened to a fairy tale and then voted for it.

Bloody fools, the whole lot of them.

[intheflow]

6. Just to let you know that all might not be what it seems:

Link to MM movie from election day OH with Jesse Jackson: http://www.boingboing.net/2004/11/06/electionday_footage_.html

[saracat]

24. No one who filmed that could possibly believe that the Ohio vote

wasn't rigged. You are absolutely right in the flow. There IS something going on here. I believe that most of my analysis was correct but now I know he was also mocking them when he said Bush got more votes! I think he is bitter about the fact it wasn't stopped,And this also points out that Jesee is no Johnny come lately to the Ohio vote scene as Blackwell is trying to imply. He has a vested interest in this because it is obvious he personally observed it, and was trying to prevent it on election day in Ohio.

[Helga Scow Stern]

7. Thanks for sharing that.

I couldn't stand to see it. It must break his heart to think he put all that work out there and the people didn't care enough to vote Bush out of office. He must still be in shock/cognitive dissonance and doesn't yet really get the extent to which the election was stolen. Perhaps also he feels very dismayed about the party he worked so hard for, the candidate he encouraged everyone to vote for...He must feel like his credibility is on the line. Just thinking...

[Erika]

8. I agree

But he was openly mocking the Republicans. Saying he was now one of them. He shaved and wore a suit to mimic them. And talked about the big tax cut, he as a rich man, would get because of those who voted for Bush. He was sad about our troops that would be sent to their deaths while the rich here laughed and played. Their kids weren't there. Can you imagine Paris Hilton or any of the Bush family fighting in Iraq? They don't quite think so. Mike Moore is a creative genius who will not let us down. Leno remarked he looked just like Hastert.

[Swamp Rat]

10. They are already falling for it.

:D

[Swamp Rat]

9. When in Rome, do as Romans do?

I believe he's playing opossum. He's already got wingers off kilter. Did you notice how the boos stopped half way through he show? Shit, he's even got DUers upset! Pure genius if you ask me.

Nobody here will convince me that he has given up, resigned. No way. He's gone too far already. The GOP are so arrogant that they will truely believe he is defeated... meanwhile, lots of film editors are hard at work. ;)

[ebayfool]

11. Thank you Saracat & Swamp Rat, & all the other calm heads!

Totally agree @ MM, & am so pleased to see some cool thinking going on - instead of the whiplash that's been around here lately! We (the royal we, I know I speak for no one but myself) have been jumping on too many bandwagons & off just as quickly, of late. I truly can't see turning on allies every time there is the teeniest rumor of betrayal. You sometimes have to trust your champions, even when you don't understand what they are doing. MM has stuck himself in the line of the steamroller far more than most are willing to contemplate. Talk is cheap, I respect action, i.e. Moore, Olbermann, Nader, etc.

Thanks again saracat, I'm interested!

[Swamp Rat]

15. Just posted this in another thread as an answer to a post similar to yours

... I truely believe he's working on something. I mean c'mon! He has gone WAY too far already to give up. If DUers are falling for it, just imagine how confused the right wing nutjobs are! That crowd was booing him but then they stopped half way though. They didn't know WHAT to think, and I'm sure a lot of them are thinking about some of the points he made. Sure there's cognative dissonance clouding their minds, but HELL! Moore was right on target with his message: The rich are SO rich that they can say FUCK YOU POOR AMERICANS. They have homes, cars, health insurance, jobs, etc. but GW's tax cut will ONLY help the ones who don't need it. HAHA! PERFECT! The audience got it in the end.

All I'm sayin is: It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings. ;)

[Pachamama]

17. I was thinking the exact same thing Swamp Rodent as I am watching him!

As I sit here watching the Tonite show here on the West Coast and Leno talking to Michael Moore, my first thought was "Yahoo - MM is going to screw with the Repubs and all of "Moral America's" minds"...

I, just like you Swamp'r think that the "Fat Lady" hasn't sung yet....

Remember the Dream :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

18. Hey Pachamama!

Wassup? D'ya get my email?

:hi:

[Pachamama]

22. Hola Amigo...

Si Senor Swamp Rat...

I did get it....I have been meaning to respond...been busy since getting back from ole' Florida....

Even just now catching up on the ole' DU...

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

23. That's cool

I expected you were busy getting home etc. It was a heavy email. I even surprised myself. :crazy:

[Pachamama]

27. Heavy, but the right response to my own "heaviness"....

It was the perfect answer to mine....

Thanks by the way.... :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

28. abraço

:hug:

[Pachamama]

29. Thanks...

Btw, I don't know if you listened to Sister Randi today, but I was shaking when she started talking about the "mandatory mental screening" of children and pregnant women that just passed as part of the giant Omnibus Spending Bill...

Last Saturday, as I watched in disbelief the live debate going on CSPAN on the Senate floor debating the bill, in particular regarding Sen. Conrad of ND's findings related to the big brother language re. allowing the viewing of US citizen's tax returns, I had this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that said "what else, what else is in that massive bill thrown on the desks of the lawmakers that afternoon that no one has caught and will pass and be made into law".

When I first heard about the "New Freedom Initiative" and its Orwellian sounding name this summer, I didn't actually believe such a thing could exist....No one, no one I told about this believed me when I told them about it....

So, here it is....it is now the law of the land and who actually knows about it? What else is in that bill? What are they up too? Are they planning on profiling our children? I already know that my precious 4 year old would be a good candidate - she has tons of energy, is incredibly intelligent and if you ask her about Bush, she will tell you that he is an evil man who is stupid and should be in jail....How quickly do you think they would want to "medicate" her? Or that "records and files" will be kept on all these kids? What will they have in mind for these kids?

:scared:

It's all happening....right before our eyes and who is going to stop them?

[Swamp Rat]

30. Eugenics

It's in the works. Ever read Edwin Black's research? Something really bad is coming down the pike, but we must be strong and stop it NOW. Otherwise, our children/grandchildren will really suffer.

Some of those NeoCons watched Dr. Strangelove and thought it was a training film.

I have a feeling that things will be deteriorating very rapidly next year. :(

[Luminous Animal]

12. Hey General... About your responsibility

General,

It’s been a hard day’s night, this battle is lost, and the backlash has begun. Vae victis. The mob is jeering at King-Kong in chains following Caesar’s triumph. The few statements I read from you since we were defeated left me wondering. Those I didn’t read made me uneasy. I know you’ve got to keep a low profile, and that the winter might be long. But I’m worried. How shaken are you ? How dug in ? Up to your heels ? I feel I have to break my duty of reserve.

I hope you know you bear no responsibility in our army’s wreckage. The Emperor’s victory was begotten by the terrifying marriage of cynical smear tactics and plebeian stupidity, then born out of Doofus’s consistent silence about the patricians’ wheeling and dealing, his consistent failing to be either inspired or inspiring, and his consistent refusal to acknowledge a banner that was both. To say nothing of the Votergatum. Call yourself Cassandra.

No need to elaborate either on the way you served. You served. Heart, soul, blood, sweat and guts. At the front line. That’s more than what most of those who blame you can say. For lack of any proof whatsoever, we can schematically assume that F9/11 fired up our side, counter-fuelled the enemy and changed a few minds, most of them for the better. As for the Tour, it unmistakably caused a more significant turnout, and we’re not going to let anyone tell us that the majority of the slackers who saw you plebiscited the Emperor, are we ? So, at worst it was a draw, at best you got the 1 % to 2 % more Doofus voters you had planned to conquer. Mission accomplished.

http://www.upsizethis.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17311

[hfojvt]

26. the line I have used

"Always remember, my fellow River Citiziens, that I did everything in my power to prevent this dire happening from ... happening." Mayor Shinn in "The Music Man"

I know I did more than I did in 2000 for Gore. Still, on the day after I felt like Mr. Schindler - "why didn't I sell my car" ... why didn't I do more?

It is hard to know if F9/11 was negative or positive, but effort and intention count more than results.

[fujiyama]

13. He looked out of it

He was dejected and depressed.

His praise wasn't sincere, but sarcastic. I liked his points about how the tax cuts would help him and that he and Jay would have great health care, but 45M don't.

He did what he could. I'm not going to fault him though I think he could have mentioned some of the voting irregularities that took place.

[Clarkie1]

14. Michael Moore endorsed Clark in the primaries

Appearances are everything in politics. Perhaps Moore has finally gotten smart and become aware of that basic truism.




"I am a liberal. We live in a liberal democracy.

That's what we created in this country. That's in our Constitution. ... I think we should be very clear on this. You know, this country was founded on the principals of the Enlightenment. It was the idea that people could talk, reason, have dialogue, discuss the issues. It wasn't founded on the idea that someone would get stuck by a divine inspiration and know everything right from wrong. I mean, people who founded this country had religion, they had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, in dialogue, in civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." -Wes Clark

[donheld]

19. I am interested in your opinion

i was quite disheartened by his demeanor on Leno. I hope you are right, and i hope he can get the boost he needs.

[__Inanna__]

21. And I apologize

for my negative reaction to him (in other post). I guess I just felt fear, when I saw him, and it's easier to chock it up to him bailing, than to consider the good. I am encouraged by all of your posts. I calm down, eventually. I so need to believe you are all correct here.

[Pastiche423]

20. I can hardly wait until

I see what he does w/this piece of footage.

He may have a much better story to tell than the repugs told.

;-)

[RedTail Wolf]

25. Never been one to call anyone on dress or

hair. I am a long haired hippie who wouldn't be caught dead in a suit.

Your opinion on his shaved, clean cut, well dressed look may be right on.

I do think that he has spent over 4 years trying to expose this sham of a govt.

He came out looking good but feeling humbled as we all do. His message was one of silent disdain and resignation to 4 more years of this regime. He promoted his book and read a poignant letter and was done.

The Michael we all love and admire will be back. He deserves to relax with his success, regroup and get ready to uncover more garbage on this regime. I have faith that what we saw tonight was the rope a dope model of Mr. Moore. He's rich, he's famous and enemy #1 of Dubya. Take some time and re group Michael. We are here for you Brother when you are ready to enter the arena again if you so choose.


RedTail Wolf