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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:24 PM
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Bwahahaha! Canadian Parliamentarian tearing Tucker Carlson a newer bigger
asshole than he already has!

(On CNN a minute ago)...Was great.....Gawd, I wish we had more politicians like that lady...

She was great! (Don't remember her name)....

:bounce:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:25 PM
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1. In a battle of wits, Tucker is unarmed
:)
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:20 PM
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62. Here's the CNN Transcript of the conversation....Check it out...
She made it clear she has opposed President Bush on the issue of missile defense.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CAROLYN PARRISH, CANADIAN PARLIAMENT MEMBER: We are not joining the coalition of the idiots.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Now this Canadian lawmaker is raising eyebrows again. She will join us live. Also, one of the deadliest months yet for U.S. forces in Iraq. Why the cost of American lives is surging.

And a life or death decision process beginning in the final phase of the Scott Peterson murder trial. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BLITZER: Will President Bush mend that long fence along the 49th Parallel?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: I want to thank the Canadian people who came out to wave with all five fingers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: He has his work cut out for him. Joining us now from Ottawa is the Canadian parliament member, Carolyn Paris. She was expelled from the Liberal Party for what Prime Minister Martin called "unacceptable behavior," which included a recent stomping of the George W. Bush doll. And here in Washington, Tucker Carlson, he is the Canada-baiting co-host of CNN's "CROSSFIRE." He has suggested that our northern neighbor, in his words, is a third-rate country. We'll get to Tucker in a moment. Let's begin with Carolyn Parrish.

Thanks very much for joining us. We're going to show our viewers that picture of you stomping that George W. Bush doll. What were you trying to prove?

PARRISH: Actually, I was making fun of myself. We have a program up here called "This Hour Has 22 Minutes." And they love to get politicians to do bizarre things, like put rollers in their hair and jump into bed with strange people. And they kept giving me direction and I kept following it.

BLITZER: So, you apologize for that?

PARRISH: Nope.

BLITZER: Why not?

PARRISH: Because I was making fun of myself. It was a parody on me and my anti-Bush position. And if you can't make fun of yourself in this business, then it's time to get out of it.

BLITZER: What about the sound bite that -- we'll play it right now. I want you to listen to what you said about this coalition the president has been trying to put together.

PARRISH: I've heard it before.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PARRISH: We are not joining the coalition of the idiots.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: All right. Give us the context of that.

PARRISH: Well, I was speaking to a large crowd on the steps of the House of Commons. There were a lot of people there protesting against Canada's joining missile defense and I happened to agree with them. General Gard (ph) came up from the States, representing 48 former military people, and I had spoken with him about it. We also had Professor Postal (ph) from MIT telling us this isn't going to work. And I think it is an increase to weaponization of space. I think it's a very bad idea. And the coalition of idiots I was referring to I think were mostly the politicians in my own government.

BLITZER: All right. So you don't consider President Bush an idiot?

PARRISH: No. How could he rise to the top job in the country by being an idiot?

BLITZER: Tucker Carlson, what do you think of this latest twist in the U.S.-Canadian relationship?

TUCKER CARLSON, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Oh, well, I mean, it's part of an ongoing sort of battle that the U.S. doesn't really participate in. I think you get the sense that Canadians think much more about the United States than the United States thinks about Canada.

I think, you know, Canadians are nice people, it's a nice country, but it's a country in the grip of a national insecurity complex. Canada needs the United States for trade, for a lot of reasons. Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting. And I think that that makes Canadians -- the dependence that Canada has on the United States makes Canadians understandably resentful.

BLITZER: Carolyn Parrish, those are fighting words.

PARRISH: Oh Tucker, you're way out to lunch on this one, my friend. Most of the top six things you buy from us are raw materials: hydro, gas, oil. You need us more than we need you.

CARLSON: We exploit your natural resources, that's true. But in the end, Canadians with ambition move to the United States. That has been sort of the trend for decades. It says something not very good about Canada. And I think it makes Canadians feel bad about themselves and I understand that. PARRISH: No. I don't agree with you, Tucker. I think Canadians who have a good social conscience and are more European in their outlook live here quite happily.

CARLSON: I bet.

PARRISH: Those who want to make huge bucks and not worry about where they're coming from go to the States. And we're glad to be rid of them.

CARLSON: Well, with that attitude, no wonder they leave. I concede that.

PARRISH: No wonder.

BLITZER: What is the attitude now, Carolyn Parrish, in Canada, President Bush has been re-elected, there's a bigger Republican majority in the House as well as in the Senate, has there been an accommodation, if you will? Are Canadians ready to accept this American president?

PARRISH: Listen. We accept the democratic process. And that was why I was interviewed the day after the election. And I said the people of the United States have clearly spoken. I think this was a non-controverted result and I think as good neighbors, we will wait patiently for another four years.

BLITZER: I was in Ottawa 10 years ago or so, then-President Clinton spoke before the parliament.

PARRISH: Yes, he did.

BLITZER: He was pretty warmly received. You noticed this time, Tucker and Carolyn, the president of the United States is not speaking before the parliament in Ottawa. Carolyn Parrish, why is that?

PARRISH: I think Mr. Clinton shared a lot of our values. He talked about Medicare and he talked about banning weapons. He said that he envied us our gun laws. So he was more simpatico with the Canadian people. And he was very warmly received. He's a very terrific guy?

BLITZER: Would you have heckled President Bush had he come into the parliament?

PARRISH: Absolutely -- no, no, no. I'm not a heckler. I don't heckle anybody.

BLITZER: Would your colleagues have heckled him?

PARRISH: I don't think so either. I think the reason Mr. Bush didn't address the parliament is was they were having a hard time finding common ground that he could talk about. We do not support the war in Iraq. We are not impressed with 100,000 dead Iraqis. We're not impressed with 1,000 dead American soldiers. So, what would be the basis of the conversation? We couldn't solve softwood lumber in a speech in the House of Commons. We couldn't solve the beef problem. So there was no common ground for a speech.

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: What about -- Tucker, I was going to say to you, what does it say that the president of the United States on an official state visit to Canada, the first time in a decade, doesn't address the parliament?

CARLSON: Well, you know, he doesn't want to get heckled. That's right. I'm glad to hear Ms. Parrish is not a heckler, merely a person who stomps on dolls. You've got to have standards. And I appreciate yours. No, look. Just simply because the United States and Canada disagree about the war in Iraq and they do doesn't mean they can't have productive conversations. I mean, the United States and China talk about all sorts of things. We're major trading partners. And I think in the end, it only hurts Canada, these attacks on the United States. Again, just to restate a pretty obvious point that I know is foremost on your mind, Ms. Parrish, Canada needs the United States. The United States does not need Canada. But you need us. And so to alienate our administration is probably not such a good idea.

PARRISH: Tucker, that's a really bad attitude, my friend...

CARLSON: It's true.

PARRISH: I think we need each other. I think we have got a long-term trade partnership. I think both countries benefit from that partnership. And when you say to us, we don't need you, that's not a way to make friends...

CARLSON: In fact, it's not even a value judgment, it's simply a recognition of economic reality. Of course it's good for the United States to trade with Canada, but it's vital for Canada to trade with the United States. So you gain nothing by alienating the administration.

PARRISH: It's pretty vital for California to take our hydro-oil (ph). I think it would be dark the next day. I think this is not a productive conversation. I think we're long-term friends, we are long-term trade partners. And we will weather this recent storm. We are fundamentally opposed to might is right and brute force and preemptive attacks on other countries. That's fundamental in Canada.

CARLSON: Well, you have the benefit of being protected by the United States and you can say that. But I think if Canada were responsible for its own security -- you would be invaded by Norway if it weren't for the United States and so you...

PARRISH: We're a very secure nation because we haven't ticked off the rest of the world. We march with the world. We're not out of step.

BLITZER: Tucker, don't you believe that this 3,000-mile border that the United States shares with Canada that it's imperative that the U.S. has a friendly ally on the other side?

CARLSON: Oh, of course. In the end, the countries are friendly. There are some French politicians who get something out of...

BLITZER: But when you say the United States doesn't need Canada, the United States has a 3,000-mile border with Canada.

CARLSON: My only point is as a matter of trade, Canada is far more dependent on the U.S. than the U.S. is on Canada. That's simply a fact, again, not even a value judgment. But of course the United States needs a good relationship with Canada and I suspect it will always have one unless some separatist government comes to power and the country splits into two, which is always possible. But short of that, no, absolutely the countries will remain allies and there will always be politicians who see it to their benefit to stomp on Bush dolls. But no, I don't think the average Canadian feels -- the average Canadian is busy dogsledding. You know that.

PARRISH: That is such -- that's such a caricature and you have to understand from this lowly backbencher that shouldn't even be on your show, I am of total insignificance within my own party and within the country, you're sure putting up a lot of fuss and putting a lot of attention on this. It shows a very weak ego, in my opinion. I think if you're as strong as you say you are, anything I have got to say can't hurt you.

BLITZER: I will point out to our viewers as well as to Carolyn Parrish that Tucker Carlson often speaks with tongue in cheek. Is that a fair assessment, Tucker? Just want to make sure our viewers don't literally believe that every word that you're saying.

CARLSON: I don't think every Canadian is dogsledding at all times but I do think there's a lot of dogsledding in Canada. Yes, I do think that's true.

PARRISH: Very little, my friend.

CARLSON: You know that's true, Carolyn. (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But there's a lot of dogsledding.

PARRISH: No, there's not a lot of dogsledding. There's a lot of dog walking, my friend. Not a lot of dogsledding.

CARLSON: Welcome to our century.

BLITZER: There's some dogsledding in the United States as well, including the beautiful state of Alaska. Tucker Carlson speaking tongue in cheek sometimes, not always. Sometimes.

Carolyn Parrish, you're an important guest. All of our guests are important. Thanks very much for joining us.

PARRISH: Thank you, Wolf. I've enjoyed it. Thank you, Tucker.

CARLSON: Thanks. Thanks a lot, Carolyn. See you in Canada.

PARRISH: Yep.

BLITZER: U.S.-Canadian relations, a very, very important subject to all of our viewers, both south and north of the U.S. border.

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hoi polloi Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. Without the USA Canada is Hounduras?
No, I don't think so. The USA may be Hounduras and Canada will be what we were.
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. Tucker has reached new lows...
Do people really find this twerp interesting?
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #62
77. Tucker is such an ass.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #62
79. Tucker has the economic acumen of a squirrel. EOM
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:38 AM
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80. In defense of squirrels, I say they have a higher acumen than Tucker C.
Seriously, this conversation (if that is what one can call it) showed what an absolute and utter idiot this Tucker Carlson is.

If I were Canadian (which I wish these days I was) I would be so insulted that I would contact CNN and tell them what I think of his comments about Canadians and Canada (especially the Dogsledding comments - please) But as an American, I'm embarressed and ashamed that people like him exist and are even allowed airtime.

Sorry Canada... :hi:
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Groggy Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #62
88. Tucker Carlson
Is a puny-minded impotent twit. He can take that stupid little bow tie of his and shove it up his a$$.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #62
93. Wow, Jon was right. Fucker Carlson IS a dick.
Also completely out to lunch on the economic facts viz Canada and the U.S.

Man, it's going to hurt us to see him proved wrong, but he will be, and I'll enjoy the look on his face as one of the few condolences.

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msu2ba Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #62
96. If "Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, .........
....but colder and much less interesting", does that make Tucker like Ann Coulter but without the balls? Just wondering.

:evilgrin:
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:25 PM
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2. that guy
is such a TOOL!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:25 PM
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3. Please, oh please
what did she say?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:29 PM
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10. Tucker Carlson called her a "fringe politician"....I wish I could remember
the exact words of choice she had for him, but she basically pointed out that she represented a large part of the common opinion of Canadians and that what kind of pathetic mouthpiece was he to be on Wolf's show criticizing her....

He had that same weird embarressed look that he had when Jon Stewart called him an ass....

:bounce:
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. John Stewart called him a "Dick".
Which IMO is more appropriate.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
19. Both names aptly describe Tucker Carlson....he's both and so much more
But an idiot who was outclassed, outwitted and left looking like he didn't belong there....
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #12
33. I think "Insolent Little Prick" fits him good also n/t
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
38. And, Jon was being kind. n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
70. Jon Stewart's best line:
Tucker, how old are you? And you wear a bowtie???
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:56 AM
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78. Bow tie
And I would like to personally strangle him with his bowtie, that sanctimonious, small limp prick of a human.

"really, how DO I feel about Tucker Carlson"?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:25 PM
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4. Was it Carolyn Parrish?
The one who recently reamed *?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I think it was
she was great...like a grown up talking to a small child
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Yes, the one that stomped on a Bu$h doll....
She is fantastic! If I ever move to Canada, I want to live in her District/Province....

:bounce:
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
63. Parrish for Prime Minister!!!!
SHE ROCKS!............TUCKER SUCKS!
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:26 PM
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5. what was said?
:kick:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:34 PM
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16. When Tucker implied that she and others of her mindset are out of touch
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 05:34 PM by Pachamama
and that Canada "needs the United States", she basically laughed and reminded him that the US needs Canada too....She reminded Tucker to ask the Californians how they would be doing without the Canadian Hydropower we suck from them daily....Tucker just looked like the idiot that he is....duh....

She also reminded him when he thought he had such a "witty" comment trying to insult her and Canada for not supporting the United States and working with the US more, that she said that "Canada takes issue with Pre-emptive Wars on Countries that haven't posed a threat, the death of 100,000 Civilians, 1000 American Soldiers and that Canada "marches with the world, unlike the United States that has made everyone angry at them"....

Parliamentarian Parrish - :hug:

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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
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31. Canada significant source of energy & energy related products for the US.
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 06:01 PM by Garbo 2004
Not something to be sneered at by Tuckerboy. Shows how uninformed Tucker is. For example, from the DOE's EIA:

"ENERGY OVERVIEW
Canada was the fifth-largest energy producer in the world in 2001, behind the United States, Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia. Over the past two decades, Canada has become a significant net energy exporter. In 2001, about 31% of Canadian energy production was exported, with the United States its main customer. In the first three quarters of 2003, the United States imported more oil (including crude oil and petroleum products) from Canada than from any other country. During the same time period, the United States also imported about 2.5 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of Canadian natural gas, representing 87% of total U.S. natural gas imports. In 2001, about 39% of Canada's primary energy production was natural gas, followed by oil (25%), hydropower (20%), coal (11%), and nuclear power (5%). Alberta is Canada's largest producer of energy." http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html

Tucker resorts to insults and "witticism" because he's fact deprived and can't argue based on facts.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:27 PM
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8. Carolyn Parrish ....I'm so proud of her
She topped everything Tucker said....His insults were non-stop and she just stood her ground and made him look like a fool...
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shakerbaker Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:29 PM
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9. Said he had very low self esteem.nt
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:35 PM
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18. little ego, she said.. n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. I laughed...I thought she was going to say that he had a little dick next.
I figured she kept that thought to herself and just let us, the audience come to that conclusion on our own....

:bounce:
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. she didn't wanna go against Jon Stewart who called him
a big dick... fine by me
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:30 PM
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. He has FOUR kids, obviously he has
got to keep up the good little christian population
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shakerbaker Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. ewwwwwwwwww
Don't make me nauseous....:puke:
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. crap missed it!
I have stopped watching that vile show given the 4 hosts.

but I wish I had seen her.

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. Gays would not dress like him, they would not be caught dead
looking like that...THEY HAVE GOOD TASTE!!! Maybe some of the Log cabin repugs could dress like and that is a big maybe...
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. Lets refrain from comments denigrating homosexuals...try NERD instead
Besides, none of my gay friends who have amazing taste, would ever be caught dead wearing one and looking like that dweeb....
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Sorry, I really didn't mean that towards gays. I thought about it
after I posted it. All through my life growing up in MA...and this may sound wierd.......we used to call close that were not "cool" "faggy", or if someone was acting like a jerk we would call them a "fag" Bad choice of words..MY BAD...No offense made towards any homosexuals. :eyes:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. using FAG as a putdown
will not win you many friends here.

/sarcasm start
you must be a BREEDER.
/sarcasm end
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Read my last post...apology
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. i did. you must be very young
to think for a nanosecond that FAG as anything but a slur
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Actually, I'm not very young.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. Well, its also a cigarette
(Sorry, just being contrary)

Yes, fag is insulting. My gay assistant and I have an understanding that when I blow up at Bush and call him an "arrogant c*cksucker", I am referring to the penis of a disease-ridden hippo.

Out of curiousity, can we call Tucker a sissy?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. I know it is acutally a "cigarette" in the dictionary, but didn't want to
seem non apologitec. Really, my sisters and I used to call each other names like that. We never "processed" it mentally as a homosexual. I have heard many people say, "Those pants are gay". Bad habit!
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. try...girlie man
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:30 PM
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50. K I will!
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Allrightie then :)
I now make you an honorary Californian!:)




Have one on me.:beer:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. It's not a good thing to say, but it's easy to pick up...
...from the general population. I've been guilty of using the word "gay" as an epithet, too. Lately, I've been more aware of what I'm saying. My bad, totally.

Gays and lesbians are in a bad position today after the homophobic election we just had. They seem to be #1 on the GOP hit list. We need to be especially sensitive toward our gay and lesbian friends after the GOP thrashing they've taken.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. I have used that, also. Not thinking. I am not prejudice about gays
@ all.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. Me either, but I USED to be as a fundy.
I was horribly prejudiced against homosexuals when I was younger because that was what I was taught. I thought AIDS was God's punishment on them and advised my boyfriend to cut off relations with his father because his father is gay. How sick is that?

I have a lot of making up to do. :( I'm very sorry and I have been trying to change for years. The more I change, the more alien I feel in this town where I grew up. It's a fundy stronghold. I literally can't go anywhere without hearing the words "church" or "God." I ate out this afternoon. Whenever I go out, I'm on edge, waiting for the inevitable overheard discussion about church, God and Bush. I'm rarely "disappointed." This time when I heard the word "church" I felt so raw, I nearly dropped my fork. :(
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Awh! Don't be so hard on yourself! You need a hug!
:hug:
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. I really don't appreciate it...
There are very few places I can go without having to put up with anti-Gay remarks... The DU was a "safe" place... Or so I thought...

Fag and Gay as an insult are offensive to Gay people... Please work on it...
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Agreed
I alerted that post awhile ago, but apparently the Mods tolerate this shit. I wonder how long a post would hang around if someone said Tucker was a ni66er because his bowtie made him look like a Nation of Islam member...sheesh.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. Look..I apologized and it was never never meant in the offensive way
that we continue to go on about.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. It is certainly worth "going on about"
Not to chastise you personally but to force an understanding of the casual way in which we vilify and demonise. I have heard the youngsters use "gay" as an epithet having nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuals...It should not become part of the vernacular in the same way that the N-word should not be used.

Words have power you know, or should, and no one here thinks you meant to demean any group , but neither should it be passed sans commentary......nothing personal.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. Actually, I get the impression from some, that yes..they did think I meant
to demean a group. Why else would they hit an "alert" button? I guess an apology for an innocently ignorant mistake isn't enough to some people. To say that "no one here thinks I meant to demean any group is false. I apologized, thoroughly explained that I in know way used the word in the same thought process as homosexuality, admitted it is a very bad expression. Believe me.......I have very close friends that are homosexual and I have slipped out and called a piece of clothing that I didn't like "gay". Because they know that there is NOT a homophobic bone in my body..they laughed, BUT I felt horrible! Once...again...I apoligize...
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. thank you
The alert button will ever be clicked for such as what you posted.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. come again? "for such as what I posted?"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:48 PM
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. I would not want to be RAISED by someone like YOU.
You are way to "above" me. Your WAY out of most peoples Leagues.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:45 PM
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #74
86. Hahaha
you have the nerve to parse that poster's grammar?...HAHAHAHA!!!
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
69. "Gay" is insulting to gay people?
I find it a pleasant word - my friends use it in a casual way, as do I in no manner intended to offend anybody.

Recent conversation related to proposal two (in Michigan) around the card table. "So how are you guys voting on proposal 2?"

Universal answer: "Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay!" - meaning NO to a law that would outlaw marriage between anybody but a man and a woman, and similarly define any other such relationship illegal to recognize. (Between us, we might well have 1.5 homosexuals if you added up the six of us though - when we don't argue card logic or politics we tend to argue about what CD version of "Evita" is the best to listen too: BROADWAY is the clear loser, Juan Peron sounds like a vampire)

Support allies, don't annoy them with dogma.

Warning though: I live in Bubbleland - Ann Arbor, the Berkley of the Midwest
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. Thanks...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #35
94. I'm QUEER and I've said it.
It really IS easy to pick up, unfortunately.

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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
42. The first time I heard the word "fag" it was a slang we used for cigarette
I still to this day bug my brother about smoking his stinking "fags" around his children. I`m not trying to offend homosexuals. At the time I learned the expression. I did not know anything about sexual orientations. Besides heterosexual ones.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
55. i wouldnt consider a bowtie
a "fag" tie, but that's just me.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
13. He looked so immature - like a little kid just throwing insults. Wolf
even tried to bail him out by saying Tucker frequently speaks tongue in cheek but Tucker said No, I mean it.
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:39 PM
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22. Fucking brilliant! Carolyn Parrish does a Jon Stewart...
on the little boy with the bow tie.

Carolyn's been getting on my nerves a bit lately, BUT SHE JUST FREAKIN' REDEEMED HERSELF. YOU GO GIRL.

And he just sat there looking like the petty, useless little piece of shit he is.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Little Red Bow Tie and the Big Stupid Wolf.....


Yeah, Papa Wolf had to come to the Little Boy with the Red Bow Ties rescue....

Carolyn looked brilliant....love her!
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
48. I think she struck just the right note....she made it clear Canadians like
Americans, but DON'T LIKE BUSH....And she said she was in agreement with them....I was impressed with her ability to put bow tie in his place...He looked like he knew he had been bested!
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
24. Carolyn Parrish....

...will you marry me????

I can do that in this country!

Cam
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Action Jackson Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. tucker should pay
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 05:54 PM by Action Jackson
tucker just quite simply does not deserve to be on CNN. He sank to such a new idiotic moronic low today. It was stupid. He quite literally acted like a teenager. Seriously. He was a freaking 17 year old kid on CNN news. These outrageous comments Tucker made were not on Crossfire. They were on Wolf Blitzer's news show. Some kid watching CNN might actually believe Tuckers retarded childish insults. Some kid will now grow up hating Canada and believing every Canadian stereotype. Lets label him a Racist for his anti canadian feelings. because he is. Lets try to harass this guy and blackball him and take him down. It should be fairly easy. He's really stupid. And hes a racist. Label him as such.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #32
64. But "Canadian" isn't a race
and, IMO, racism is such a serious topic/charge, that I would advise against using the word... uh, indiscriminately~

Personally, I'm partial to "twit", which conveys exactly how seriously he should be taken.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
67. He's an "Ugly American" nt
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
30. wolf's been pissing me off lately..
loved it when she didn't apologize for stomping on * doll!
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
44. "Wolf's been pissing
you off 'lately.'" Just lately? Hell, Wolf, mouthpiece for the GOP, has been one of the reasons I've stopped watching CNN.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:57 PM
Response to Original message
36. Go, Canada, eh? n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
37. Was she on x-fire?...or a different prog...?
We shot off cable right after the "election."
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Action Jackson Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. it was on wolf blitzers show
man i hate tucker now. i'm just put on some Iron Maiden and now i'm pumped up to take down Tucker.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #37
51. Bless you for ditching your cable!
I had all the channels and went down to just basic because my kids swear they cant live without nickelodeon. Since we can't trust our "corporate democracy" to count our votes on election day, I've decided to vote with my dollars every month. Thats a vote that corporate scumbags everywhere are forced to count. My cable bill shrunk by 50 votes.....er dollars. Count that! hehehe

Warning: exercising your personal financial power is very fun and very very addictive!
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marigold20 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #51
95. We trimmed down to channels 2-13!
No young kids here to beg for Nickolodeon so we now have just the local channels and our two cable access channels. So far, we're surviving quite well.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
52. I am thinking of writing Blitzer. If his is "hard news"
why does he have the clown Carlson on? What a loser!!

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RFM Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
56. these ignorant lightweights think they are so smart it's almost funny
but since we are in the midst of wwIV it somehow ain't as funny as they used t be :scared:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. man, you said it.
These clowns aren't so amusing with the world on fire. They're simply grotesque.
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Didn't really think she was funny on 22 Minutes stomping on the doll...
However, she has totally redeemed herself in my eyes...

Go Carolyn!

Prime Minister Martin is kissing George's butt and is getting NOTHING out of it...

Carolyn at least speaks her mind... Of course it got her kicked out of the Liberal Caucus, but now she can tell the truth without worrying about THAT...

:bounce:
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shakerbaker Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
72. I really liked it
would have been better if her heel went between his eyes.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
68. Parrish was kicked out of the Labour Caucus a few weeks ago...
so now she's an "independent." Heard a long interview with her on Radio Canada a couple of weeks ago...she's incredible!!!!! She said she felt "free"......
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. She was Liberal, not Labour...
The Labour party is in England...

Canada's ruling party is the Liberals...
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
81. I am utterly humiliated to be an American
I should have found that exchange funny, but I think my sense of humor is gone. What has happened to my country? Why has our national discourse been handed over to knaves like Carlson?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:50 PM
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83. Oi Pachamama
Do you know where I can find a good pic of him? ;)

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #83
89. I'm sure Crossfire on CNN's site has a couple of good ones you can
"lizard-up" .... :hi: Send me one too when your done!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:24 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. What are you doing up so late?
Hangin' with us vampires? :hi:

It's about time I do Fucker Carlson, especially after he dissed Canada. :mad:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #90
91. "Fucker Carlson" - how perfect....
I can't sleep...the baby has a bad cold and keeps coughing, so I'm sitting here with her in my arms nursing and trying to keep her head upright...hubby is out of town on business and I'm having some of my periodic "nagging" feelings that something is "up" and coming down the pike...

I find myself pacing a lot these days...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:37 AM
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92. Awwww! Poor Pachababy!
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:59 PM
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87. after Carlson's performance, is it any wonder the world holds this country
in disdain?
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