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sans qualia Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:57 PM
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This is horrible - "New York's HIV Experiment"
Jacklyn Hoerger's job was to treat children with HIV at a New York children's home.

But nobody had told her that the drugs she was administering were experimental and highly toxic.

"We were told that if they were vomiting, if they lost their ability to walk, if they were having diarrhoea, if they were dying, then all of this was because of their HIV infection."

In fact it was the drugs that were making the children ill and the children had been enrolled on the secret trials without their relatives' or guardians' knowledge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm

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This is just about the most terrible thing I've read all day. Has anybody in the US news media picked this up?
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raggedcompany Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:01 PM
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1. much much more here
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:07 PM
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2. Sounds like the Tuskegee Experiments all over again.
The Tuskegee experiments occurred when the federal government allowed black men in Tuskegee, Alabama have syphilis unchecked for years to study them, even after antibiotics were available to treat them. For those of you who think this was in the 'olden days', the Tuskegee experiments ended ~ 1972. This experiment was done because people think one race responds differently than another race when in actuality there is only one race, the human race.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:18 PM
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7. They already had the info when they did that ... they were just killing
black men.. there was nothing to be learned .. they already had the information.. someone just wanted to torment black men.
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sans qualia Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:08 PM
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3. Wow, I stand corrected
I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before.
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raggedcompany Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:12 PM
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4. re: I stand corrected
not corrected..just more info.

I too couldn't believe it..
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:15 PM
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5. It was a group of black Veterans
they did the syphiilis experiment on
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:17 PM
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6. my god, this is outrageous and tragic!
and gee, what a surprise, it's just testing on poor little disposable black crack babies /sarcarm off/
:mad::grr:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:18 PM
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8. Absolute power.
No agency, no person, no office should EVER have this unchecked authority to abuse.

Someone should have told Guliani.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:38 PM
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13. Oh TRUST me-
He knew- he had to allocate taxpayer monies to fund it.
As every mother fucking politician across the country has done
in the prisons and foster care sysytems.
BHN
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:25 PM
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9. Want to see something real scary?
Google 'The Manhattan District Experiments'or the 'The Chicago Experiments'


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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:31 PM
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10. This is a ROUTINE practice that YOU pay for
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 10:32 PM by BeHereNow
I just posted this info on the thread in LBN-
In short; this has been going on for years- NATION wide.
foster children are routinely used as human lab rats,
as are prison inmates. You, the taxpayer, foot the bill
for this research.
I found out about this after I met a social service
worker at an alternative mental health conference-
He had recently quit his job over it.
This is NOT new or isolated to NY. It is nationwide
and the primary victims are foster children and
prison inmates.
What are YOU going to do about it?
I made a documentary about it and
my life was threatened.
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:33 PM
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11. In addition: have you figured out yet
How mandatory mental health screening plays into all
of this?
In the business world, it is called "expanding the market."
bhn
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:36 PM
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12. Now I understand why they are so against abortion...
The more subjects the better.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:40 PM
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14. those not mangled in the "Social Services"
will make excellent cannon fodder.
Who gets abortions?
Those who can not afford to raise the children they are
impregnated with.
bhn
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:52 PM
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15. The most commonly prescribed HIV drugs are..
very toxic. AZT was developed as a cancer drug in the late 1960s, but abandoned for that purpose because it was deemed too deadly. These are chemotherapy agnets, which have never been used on a long term basis in humans, until now. There are some within the scientific community who think that AZT is at least partially responsible for many of the AIDS deaths in the 80s and early 90s (back then it was given at even higher doses than it is today). It's still a controversial subject, but knowing what I do about these drugs, If I were diagnosed with HIV, I would not take them.

In my eyes, at some level, science has failed these people. I wouldn't go so far as to say that HIV is harmless, as some have (Deusberg), but I think that many HIV patients have been treated as guinea pigs. I had a friend who was sick and dying on AZT, but all his doctor seemed to pay any attention to was his "viral load". The doctor wasn't concerned that his muscles were atrophied, his hair was falling out, he had night sweats and couldn't keep food down. The number on the paper said he was healthy.

I hope that the Vioxx scandal will focus some light on this subject, as well.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:54 PM
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16. KICK- for our tax dollars
which are funding genocide both abroad and
here at home.
KICKing as the voice for the voiceless.
bhn
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