TELL ME... Why are WE protesting and why AREN'T YOU ???!!!

[frogfromthenorth2]

I am sure I will get some flame for this but here I go. A month ago why didn't the people of the USA go down in the street to protest against the reelection of this war criminal. I see you all happy that we are doing it for you in Canada right now but I did not see a single image of protest from your country in the past month.

Also, if there was voter fraud, why weren't there any protest either like they had all last week in Ukraine. I know only 51% of you voted for that piece of crap, but what happened to the other 49%? They didn't mind that much?

To be honest, that got me more angry than knowing that BUSH won....

OK, you can flame me now...but remember I am still your friend even if I am a bit pissed off at you...

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. You're better organized than we are. We are spread across this

land, separated by years of complacency.

[frogfromthenorth2]

6. I must remind you that there were domonstartions all across the country

from coast to coast.... they were smaller, but they were there...

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. You have a sense of nationality which we seem to lack.

The Dem's identity has been co-opted by the right. First by making the term "liberal" a bad thing, and claiming that America had no values. Then re-defining the Republican party as the party of values. And it worked. I've lost touch with Democrats over the years because the causes that they supported were on the extreme edges. If not that, they're conservative and in my area are so into the real-estate market that I can't really tell them apart from the Republicans. I really don't find the real civil rights type of Democrats anywhere around me. The closest I got was a Green who would sign anything without even questioning the person that came to ask for help. In this world where people will find a way to discredit you by telling you lies, I didn't feel it was prudent to hang around her, especially since her best friend was a Republican who thought that backdoor politics was acceptable.

So, it's hard to trust when you've been screwed over so many times over. To take time to go and march, you have to feel comfortable in the people organizing the march.

[shadowknows69]

29. no excuse...you are right.

we like to let stuff get to it's worse possible point(which in my opinion it is) before we act sometimes. I suspect it will take another major attack and even then half the country(of whoever is left) will still go seeking George Christ's soothing advice from his bunker instead of blaming the monster for it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. The problem with the next attack on U.S. soil is that half of us

will think that Bush predicted correctly, and the other half will believe that Bush's arrogance and bravado brought it on.

We will continue to be a country in conflict as long as half of us are convinced that Bush is creating his own problems.

[shadowknows69]

39. i'm going on the assumption that GW says he was the man who can keep us sa

if we get attacked again IMO it's his fault. Period.

[The Backlash Cometh]

88. Those were the feeble words of the poll watcher who, it turned out,

supported Bush. "Well, we have to be safe."

I really don't feel safe with that maddog in the Whitehouse. I'm talking about Rover. Bush is just a lapdog.

[anarchy1999]

95. Sorry, and it is a damned good question. See post further down re:

Democratic EMERGENCY!

[breadandwine]

83. We must march against Fox and the rigged election.

Not talk. Action. STREET action. Action in the STREETS. Huge public protest. A joint protest against the rigged election and Fox right in front of Fox World Headquarters in New York with the chant, “Rupert Murdoch, tell the truth! Fascists rigged the voting booth!” Fox is headquartered in mid-Manhattan on the SECOND floor. We’re going to be right outside their windows by the thousands screaming our guts out where they can hear us. Bad vibrations? Too bad studio soundproofing isn’t perfect. We must deny them legitimacy at all costs. Bush didn’t win. His election is a fake. Vast numbers of Americans still don’t know this because Bush shills like Fox cover it up. Fox must be targeted. Their headquarters are in New York. The other papers and media in New York will cover this protest because they all hate Fox’s living guts in New York. See this blog:

A Call To March On Fox
For refusing to tell the truth about the rigged election! —

http://acalltomarchonfox.blogspot.com/

Read it. Read it all. Contact the blogger there to get involved.

Go to this thread and participate in the discussion — A call to march against the rigged election — includes extensive discussion about the planned march on Fox/rigged election:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2688242

Add your comments there, keep that thread kicked. There’s going to be a huge march in New York combining protest against the rigged election and the Bush shills like Fox who cover it up, a double whammy. After that, the cat will be out of the bag and Bush will have lost legitimacy.

Why is that important? Because legitimacy is essential for de facto power. Official or “de jure” power is not enough for a leader to maintain control. He has to also have the INTANGIBLES of legitimacy — de facto authority. That’s why presidents can become lame ducks in their second term. Bush must be denied LEGITIMACY. His whole presidency must be publicly DELEGITIMIZED. People in other countries will hear about the march too. This will add to his difficulties diplomatically overseas. To deny legitimacy we must march against the rigged election.

Where? At the number one shill covering it up — Fox. Fox Headquarters in New York. Fox may or may not admit we are in front of their New York offices but the other New York news organizations will because they hate Fox. See the above blog for full details on that and the whole march plan. See and post on the above thread to get involved. Keep that thread kicked.

[tavalon]

2. I'm not excusing our behavior

but we we're so stunned and demoralized by Kerry's abysmal behavior that we sat in stunned disbelief and the moment passed us by. I was already getting plane tickets to go to Ohio on the morning of Nov 3rd when I heard what Kerry had done. I lost all motivation for much of the week. By the time I was able to do much of anything, the momentum that could have been there was gone.

[malatesta1137]

7. abysmal, to put it mildly

shameful an disgusting is more appropriate.

[shadowknows69]

34. Then it's time to stop fighting as Democrats

and start fighting as Americans. Both parties are probably completely corrupt. We need to raise the independent party to the same level and demand that they are allowed to participate in the whole process. We also need some real journalists on our televisions and radios and not a bunch of talking heads who do nothing more than analyze a headline without getting to the meat of a story.

[tavalon]

104. Ye of few posts

are wise indeed.

[Ladyhawk]

92. This is what happened to me, too.

I was stunned by Kerry's concession. Now, I just feel numb.

Probably that isn't a good enough excuse.

We need leaders who will organize the protests. I believe I would organize one if I weren't ill. But I am and I need surgery.

[Flammable Materials]

3. Wait until January 20th, baby. Wait until January 20th. n/t

[raggedcompany]

22. well said. I'll be there protesting once again

But to tell you the truth, I've got a life to live. I've marched and marched, and donated and donated. The fucker won, it's over. I'll piss on his parade, but that's it. Time to focus on getting the fuck out of here.

[shadowknows69]

35. enough people in the streets could stop the parade

[ilovenicepeople]

48. Wait till the pre-Jan.20th fear campaign about what would happen to the

protesters if they try anything.Somehow I don't think it will happen,if a questionable election doesn't get you worked up I don't think an inauguration will do it.It doesn't hurt to dream though (or does it?)

[George_S]

98. Maybe, maybe not.

[skypilot]

4. I can't speak for anyone else but...

...where I live I can't seem to get anyone interested in the issue of voter fraud. I've posted about this before. People in my city (Philadelphia) seem to have just rolled over and accepted this nonsense about the "moral values" voters beating us. I swear to God NO ONE will listen if I bring up voting irregularities. It's really disheartening.

[mikita]

56. I'm glad to read your post, albeit depressing...

I've found the EXACT same thing -- especially with my very best "liberal" friends. They will NOT listen at all -- it's a major "Head Meet Sand" event. They've can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that voter fraud is SUCH a critical issue -- doesn't matter who your favorite candidate is.... Color me depressed and disheartened as well.

[skypilot]

60. I posted a thread last week...

...with the heading: IT'S LIKE "INVASION OF THE BODYSNATCHERS" AROUND HERE. In it I mentioned my coworker who, the day before the election, asked me about my thoughts on Kerry's chances for victory. I told her that I thought his chances were pretty good and that if he lost--or rather "lost"--it would probably be because of vote fraud and other Republican tampering. She said that she thought the EXACT same thing. The day after the election she wouldn't shut up about the "22% moral values" vote. She really got taken in by that. If I mentioned possible vote fraud, Diebold, lack of a paper trail, Kenneth Blackwell, etc. she just tuned out. She actually waved her hand dismissively at one point and said, "Oh, I don't care about any of that". I was floored. I get this kind of reaction all the time now. You can practically hear their eyes glazing over. It's really disgusting. And quite weird.

[trueblueliberal]

100. same here

I live in texas, and you can forget about trying to get anyone to even THINK about election fraud around here, even the Dems. It seems like most Americans must WANT to be ruled by these tyrants. I don't get it.

[donkeyotay]

118. Same report here. It's as if people have lost the ability to care

There is something seriously wrong with our country. Some type of learned helplessness has set in, perhaps? People are too let down by the "election" results, the failure of the anti-war movement, the endless state-run television propaganda, the lack of a loyal opposition - perhaps just the fact that the country is too large for a street protest to seem meaningful...

It's way weird. There's something terribly wrong. It's like the whole country is drugged or something.

So much for "we're number one...ya da, ya da, ya da."

[rkc3]

5. If I protest, I might miss Survivor or the Biggest Loser.

[frogfromthenorth2]

8. lol....

[tavalon]

13. but if you protest you might not survive

but you certainly won't be the biggest loser.

[shadowknows69]

36. and I wager your karma will be in better shape

[Radio-Active]

9. Well, there's a big protest in Columbus, Ohio this Saturday..

Greg Palast and Jesse Jackson will be there.

Are DU'ers going to come??????

I'll be there!

*FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
*NOV, 29 2004
11 AM*
* *CONTACT: * *CASE (Citizens' Alliance for Secure Elections**
*Phil Fry, [phone] phil@e...
Evan Davis, [phone] evan@i...
*
CASE and the Rainbow Push Coalition Sponsors Jesse Jackson and Greg Palast
at the "Investigate all 88" Rally for Democracy
Dec 4th, Statehouse, Columbus
*


The Citizens' Alliance for Secure Elections has organized a rally to
demand that every vote be counted accurately from the Nov 2nd election.
We demand a full re-count of Ohio's votes and a thorough investigation
of all reported irregularities and discrepencies and charges of voter
disenfranchisement throughout the state. The right to vote is a civil
right and in a democracy no abridgement of that right can be tolerated.


RALLY Saturday December 4, 2004

1:00 PM, Ohio Statehouse Lawn,
East Broad & South High Streets,
Columbus, Ohio

SPEAKERS:

Greg Palast (journalist and author of The Best Democracy Money Can Buy )
Ian Solomon (Dean of Yale School of Law) (Invited)
Bill Moss (former Columbus school board member)
Bob Fitrakis (Columbus Free Press)
Reuben Herrera (Adelante - Latino/Latina Democrats)
Anita Rios (Green Party)
Cliff Arnebeck (lead litigant in the Contest of Election suit)
Jad Hummeidan (Council on American Islamic Relations)
Petey Talley (Ohio AFL-CIO) (invited)
Bill Burga (Ohio AFL-CIO) (invited)
Rev. Mylian Waite (Antioch Baptist Church, Cleveland, Ohio) (invited)

Charleta Tavares (Columbus City Council member) (invited)


Emcee: Susan Truitt (co-founder of *C*itizens’ *A*lliance for *S*ecure
*E*lections)

SYMPOSIUM Saturday December 4th, 2004


6:00 PM - 9:00 PM, Africentric Middle School
300 E. Livingston Ave., Columbus, Ohio


Stand Up and Be Counted: A CASE for Democracy

Featuring Keynote speakers Rev Jesse Jackson

and journalist : Greg Palast, author of; The Best Democracy Money Can Buy



Contact Evan Davis [phone] cell [phone]


/ More information on our web page soon: http://www.caseohio.org/
<http://www.caseohio.org/CaseOhio/>
CASE is a non-partisan organization of volunteers who want to see fair
and accurate elections become the norm in Ohio. This will only happen
when the process is transparent and free from partisan oversight.

[Feathered Fish]

10. It can be quite disheartening

to organize a protest and have it broken up by tanks and soldiers.

[htuttle]

14. Huh...

Actually, that's what I'd consider the hallmark of a successful protest.

:shrug:

[Feathered Fish]

17. But it's discouraging

It makes it a bit scary for those who are interested in peaceful protests. Still, I do think there should be more protests.

[tavalon]

15. It can be soul sickening

to allow the fear of having a protest broken up by tanks and soldiers keep you from your duty to protest.

[Blue Wally]

23. When has this happened since Kent State

And I am not talking about marches on military facilities. Only time I ever saw tanks being used against civilians in the US was Waco 9and I am not making a judgement call on that). Last widespread deployment of the military for riot control was 1968 when the cities went up in flames.

[Feathered Fish]

25. I overstated it to make a point

The US right now is not exactly going to be very receptive to major dissenting protests. I mean during sports celebrations the authorities are launching tear gas. What do you really think would happen if thousands of people showed up near * with signs saying LIAR and whatever else. Riot gear would be out and cops would be ruthless, imo - that is scary to the average pissed off liberal.

[zann725]

40. There was a posting (with pics) of tanks in L.A. about a month ago

Several tanks 'dropped by' a peace rally in West Los Angeles about a month ago. Someone took a video of it, and posted it on one of the threads here on DU.

'Officials' said the next day that the tanks were on their way to a parade the next day (???), and that they were simply 'tied up in traffic'...that's why they stopped near the rally.

Yet the footage shows that the traffic light had long-since changed, and yet the tanks remained stopped in front of the Rally... clearly intending to intimidate. It looked scarey and foreshadowing, and very UNAmerican to me.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. I would love to be in Columbus this Sat. and in D.C. in Jan.....

but I have no time off from my job. I've used every day of my vacation (accumulated 8 hours per month)to take my sick dog on 370-mile round trips to the nearest vet college for treatment. It really sucks living in a red state!! (Native Buckeye too!)

[Willy Lee]

64. I am sorry to hear that- I hope your pooch is OK. eom

[jasmeel]

12. I believe they surprised us because of the way they won.

It seemed like a complete defeat. No hint of fraud at the beginning. Just utter devastation.

[skypilot]

18. No hint of fraud at the beginning????

We went into this election with a hint of fraud. Electronic voting machines owned by partisan Republicans who refused to allow for a paper trail. Partisan Republicans sitting on election boards. This election stunk before it even began.

[jasmeel]

20. OK there was a hint but it seemed like a 3 million+ victory.

I was expecting a 2000 senario, not a 3million margin.

[ecstatic]

16. Many of us already knew this would happen

Some of us are still grieving, still others of us think it's only fitting for * to clean up his own mess.

[Northern Experiment]

21. There have been some....

right??
Sure as hell won't pop up on the US Mainstream media. There definately needs to be a protest waiting on Bush on his arrival back here.
That would be GREAT.

I just need word on an organized protest local to me. I just don't have the funds to travel around, nor time with the semester ending soon.

I'm like you, I'm highly dissapointed in the lack of major protesting here. I believe more of 50% of us voted for Kerry, and its time to make it known.

Although its time for me actually stop "waiting" and do what I have to do to get my voice heard. Even if it means going in front of a local news station by myself with a sign.

[stellanoir]

24. well,

the massive worldwide protests against the war in '03 were minimized by * as a "focus group." They were mostly ignored by the media here. When 250,000 people protested in England last year during *'s visit, the media got distracted by Michael Jackson's indictment for 3-4 days.

Free speech zones were erected throughout the campaign to contain protesters so they were not seen by * or shown by the press. Protesters in NYC during the RNC were arrested and kept in toxic internment, many getting exposed to nasty chemicals in an old warehouse without bathrooms or food for the duration of the convention.

There have been protests in different states that have gotten little or no coverage. We're seeing very little of your protests up there and the media always low balls the numbers.

We are perhaps more likely to be effective through economic protests than traditional means.

I agree that there should be more open outrage and rebellion here. Sadly, many either don't care or are struggling so much that they can't seek out the truth and are naive about the pervasive nature of propaganda.

Anyone who has ever lived under fascism says the same thing.
When it overtook their governments they didn't even notice, until it was too late.

Keep the faith and we all salute our Northern neighbors valiant efforts. Tyrants like * have always met the same fate throughout history. It just can't come soon enough for us or the world.

[GregD]

28. stellanoir: great post

You really nailed it, and I agree on every point.

We crushed San Francisco Feb 15 with hundreds of thousands. It took hours and hours to move the whole group a couple miles. But the impact on the war plan was zip, zero, nada. And media coverage lied about the numbers.

As for the Northern protests, I'd guess that most folks don't even know that * left the country yesterday, much less that he was met with a strong opposing presence.

[zann725]

44. I also heard Reporters were arrested while filming the NY Protests...

during the Repug Convention last summer.

[Stephanie]

55. Uninvolved bystanders were arrested too

People just standing in the vicinity got herded into NETS with the protestors and sent to jail. People were pre-emptively arrested and held for the duration just for the convenience of Bush.

[frogfromthenorth2]

74. Sad..very sad...

[Lone_Wolf]

97. People with video cameras were targeted...

n/t

[GregD]

26. We had a demo in SF on Monday, small though

A big problem seems to be (as usual) the media. Most of America have been rocked back to sleep by the message that "all is well, ya just lost by a few votes, better luck next time. And oh, by the way, no cigar for you!"

There have been scattered protests across the US, such as the Black Box T parties sponsored by http://www.votersunite.org, but when the media doesn't tell the rest of the country that other people are marching, or that there is something to get worked up about, nothing seems to happen.

And finally, another problem is our own opposition leadership. If UFPJ would call for a march, we'd be out there in droves. But nobody is organizing anything. And according to this note I received a few days ago, UFPJ won't be calling for no stinking riots anytime soon.

Sad...



UPDATE FROM UFPJ ON OUR WORK WITH THE NO STOLEN ELECTIONS CAMPAIGN

UFPJ helped build the No Stolen Elections campaign from the end of September through November. The campaign built a broad coalition of national organizations and networks and a grass roots emergency response network of more than 20,000 to coordinate and evaluate information about the fairness of the presidential vote, and to help coordinate protests in the event of a stolen election.

Through a fairly extensive process of research and consultation with many voter protection groups (including People for the American Way, Rainbow/Push, Southwest Voters, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center, and This Time We Are Watching), the campaign collectively concluded that the vote was not at all fair, because of a combination of unfair rules, fraud and intimidation. At the same time, it is not clear that the illegal elements of this unfairness (or straight incompetence or technical malfunction) actually decided the presidential outcome. UFPJ supports calls to investigate the vote and we are pleased to see that the GAO will pursue an investigation. We also believe that every vote must still be counted and fully support the efforts underway to make sure this happens. While there may never be proof that this election was stolen, we know there is work to be done to ensure greater safeguards are in place in future elections.

Such campaigns, investigations, lawsuits, and protests are ongoing. In the immediate future, the No Stolen Elections campaign will monitor the important issues that have emerged in the aftermath of the Nov. 2nd election. But United for Peace and Justice's limited resources and the escalation of the war in Iraq make it impossible for us to remain as active in the No Stolen Elections campaign.

We encourage you to remain vigilant in the struggle to protect the right to vote and to guarantee that every vote is counted. We support the calls to action on these issues and we will do our best to keep our web site updated with new information and links to important resources. Below is the latest statement from the No Stolen Elections campaign and it includes information on how you can stay involved in this work.


Finally, we hope you will use the calendar on the UFPJ website to list the activities of your group, and to find out what's going on in your city or state.


in peace and solidarity,

Bob Wing and Lisa Fithian, National Co-Chairs, UFPJ Leslie Cagan, National Coordinator, UFPJ

**************************************************

FROM: No Stolen Elections! www.Nov3.US

"We have been following developments very closely and are deeply disturbed by the extensive and credible reports of fraud in the election. We call for a full review of the conduct of the election and the tallying of election results . . . . We cannot accept this result as legitimate because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse." U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, 11/23/2004.

Report: OBSTACLES TO DEMOCRACY:
www.Nov3.US/obstacles
Action: VOTER BILL OF RIGHTS:
www.Nov3.US/billofrights
Support: OHIO RECOUNT: www.VoteCobb.org

Dear Sisters & Brothers,

Success. Your efforts spurred fourteen members of Congress, led by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, to request a Goverment Accountability Office (GAO) investigation of the 2004 presidential election. Earlier this week, the GAO announced that it will investigate "the security and accuracy of voting technologies, distribution and allocation of voting machines and counting of provisional ballots."

More success. Thanks to the contributions of thousands of Americans, and the leadership of the Green and Libertarian presidential nominees, David Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the pivotal state of Ohio will begin an election recount in the next several weeks.

We hope these successes are only wetting your appetite for more democracy. As tens of thousands have taken to the streets of the Ukraine, the great powers of the East and West have intervened to back their candidates. Secretary of State Powell has demanded an investigation of that election. We know that it is not lost on any of you that here in the United States, there are no contesting outside powers, but only the two internal forces of popular democracy and the political establishment. It is up to us.

As participants in the movement for democracy, your work continues to be vital. We urge you to prepare for the major events of the coming weeks. Please go to our newly updated website at http://www.Nov3.US, note the changes we are making there, and read the newly released report, "Obstacles to Democracy" at
http://www.Nov3.US/obstacles. And please act now to demand election reform, and to support the Ohio recount:

1. VOTER BILL OF RIGHTS - Please see the new 11-point "Voter Bill of Rights" at http://www.Nov3.US/billofrights. Initially drafted in the aftermath of the stolen election of 2000, we have updated and improved the Voter Bill of Rights in response to the failures of the 2004 election. We ask you to circulate this important document. We also encourage you to approach your members of Congress to ask them to sign on to the Voter Bill of Rights. Because Monday, December 13th, is the day on which the members of the Electoral College will meet in the capitals of every state, we suggest that you organize delegations to visit congressional offices on that day.

2. SUPPORT THE RECOUNT - The Ohio recount is moving ahead, fueled by volunteer power, money, media coverage, and determination. Determination is not in short supply, and sufficient funds have been raised to cover the initial costs of the recount, but more volunteers, money, and above all, media coverage, are needed. To contribute time and/or money, please visit http://www.votecobb.org/.

Media coverage is also key. You may have read the headlines declaring "Judge denies request for Ohio recount." You probably read further, and discovered that in fact the judge only denied the request for a timely start to the recount, and that the recount itself is still scheduled for early next month. It's essential that our fellow Americans learn that an Ohio recount is in the works, and that the presidential election is far from over. It's vital that public attention is focused on Ohio as the recount brings to light the systemic flaws which disenfranchised thousands of Ohioans, and potentially millions of Americans.

You can help shine more light on the Ohio recount by keeping the heat on the media to report it. Write more letters to the editor. Call and email newspaper, cable, web, radio, and tv outlets. Tell them that Ohio, not the Ukraine, is THE story.

3. DEFEND THE OHIO RECOUNT - Bush 2004 Ohio chairman, and erstwhile Ohio Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, has already demonstrated some resistance to conducting a full, timely, and accurate recount of the
Ohio election. Other Ohio election officials have denounced the initiation of the recount process as "insulting" and "frivolous." Insulting? As of now,
only they can know. Frivolous? With voting rights and 21 electoral votes in the balance, hardly.

The current recount timeline looks something like this: December 6th is the deadline for Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell to complete certification of the Ohio vote. On the next day, December 7th, the "winning" ticket must certify its slate of electors. On December 13th, the members of the Electoral College will meet in the capitals of every state to cast their votes. On January 7th, 2005, Congress must decide whether to ratify the decision of the Electoral College.

Look at those dates, and consider how long a full recount is likely to take: Five to ten days by most estimates. You are right to be concerned. And you're not alone. In the course of the next two weeks we expect thousands of Ohioans to gather in churches, campuses, and at their state capitol to rally to the defense of their recount. We'll let you know where and when. And we may ask you to organize a protest in your own community.


Thank you.
http://www.Nov3.US
NO STOLEN ELECTIONS!

[Rockerdem]

32. Thanks for reminder.

It's not too late. There's no need to be demoralized. That will only happen if people decide to be spectators instead of participants.

Everyone on to Columbus on the 4th.

[Pepper32]

27. It's not to late...

There have been some protesting but the media will NOT cover it. I am just now seeing pictures of people protesting, within the past few days! It will have to be a grand protest before the corporate media decides to cover our anger over this, I do feel it's happening.

We need someone with a lot of exposure to rally the troops. I do think Jackson can do this but it's an uphill battle right now. Now if Kery came out and said, "take to the streets" I have no doubt millions would come out and protest.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1707625.php
rally in front of KGO

[Columbia]

30. Easy, it's called LEARNED HELPLESSNESS

[Stephanie]

52. I think that's BS - did you SEE the protests in NYC in August?

We have been protesting non-stop since February 2003. Our marches have been HUGE.

[Kitka]

31. There is absolutely no excuse.

Some of the people I work with that helped me organize the Chicago contingent of the protests against the war in 2002 and 2003 in D.C. and I were talking recently. We’ve been trying to get in touch with organizations that helped promote the rallies and they’re dead. No response. No one is interesting in doing anything anymore.

It is absolutely inexcusable. We are more easily connected than any country at any time in history through the internet, yet we make excuses that we are “too spread out”?

I’ll tell you why it’s not happening. People talk a good game from the comforts of their homes. But ask them to actually sacrifice their time, a day off work, their energy, etc? Forget it. Americans are lazy. Period.

I understand that for some people they truly cannot take a day off work, and/or are so broke they can’t possible afford gas to head out to D.C. But most of us, even those of us whoa re struggling, could pull it off if we wanted to. You don’t make change without sacrifice, everyone.

Long story short, thank you for protesting Bush in Canada, and I apologize for U.S. laziness on the part of many. Not all – some are working hard – but many (too many) are doing nothing at all and it’s scary.

[seemunkee]

33. Bush in Canada is a moment in time

His visit presented a singular opportunity for a protest. He is here all the time, it would be hard to get 40,000 people to be at the White House every day.

[RememberTheCoup]

46. I didn't see your post when I posted mine.

But I think you have summed up the situation quite well.

[zann725]

38. Good point! As Election Fraud means MORE than 51% of us voted Kerry!

Perhaps MUCH more!

There really is no excuse, except that we've be absolutely 'tazered' by our 'locked-down' pro-Bush regime media, and by the immediate concession of Kerry. Had he or the media spoken out against the Fraud, as was done in the Ukraine...things would've gone differently.

Plus we also were cheated out of the 2000 election, so by now most are feeling 'all is helples'...out of our hands.

We are SOOOO proud of our Canadian 'brothers!' You did us proud! For those of us reaching an all-time hopeless low with the Election Fraud, your public disapproval of Bush (which WAS covered on the media here??!!) gave us renewed hope!

Thank you much! Keep up the good work!

[MadHound]

41. Come down to Mid Mo friend,

And you can join us in our weekly protests at the Post Office each Saturday in Columbia Mo, or our weekly rush hour protests every Wed. Or jaunt over to Fulton(a berg of 12000 nearby) to join the Women in Black for their Tuesday protests.

There are protests both large and small occuring with great regularity across the nation friend. The trouble is that the MSM isn't covering it.

[Willy Lee]

65. MadHound- I would love to come to these!

I am just a couple of hours away. PM details, please!!

[UdoKier]

42. Yes, January 20th should be good.

nt

[alexisfree]

43. I'll be there!!

turn your back on him!!

[RememberTheCoup]

45. There ARE protests!

You just don't see them on tv. Do you know how many people protested Bush's inauguration in 2000? The streets were packed. But the media didn't cover it.

Second, when Bush travels to another country and is met by protests, that is the only chance the people in those countries have to make their feelings known - and the only thing they can really do to oppose Bush. America doesn't have a single, clear time and place to protest like that because Bush is here most of the time. If anything, this country has *too many* protests in too many places. Well, maybe not too many, but keep in mind that it's not as easy for us to focus all our energy in a single act like that. There's something new to be outraged about every day.

And we can do more than just protest -- and we do. I heard there were so many volunteers on election day, some of them had to be turned away. We donate time, money, research, voices, etc. We use our spending power to try to shop from "blue" companies instead of "red". And all the while we are struggling to support our families and keep ourselves from being trampled by Bush's policies.

[Stephanie]

54. What RememberTheCoup said!

I kind of resent this accusation. I took a week of vacation time to protest during the RNC. I have been out in the freezing weather and the bitter heat protesting this admin and I have been there with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people just as OUTRAGED as I am. Our protests have been MASSIVE. Why do you act like they never happened?

[seemunkee]

62. Inaugaration 2000 protests

You're right about them not showing the protests. I was down there and phoned my wife to tell her what was going on(she was home with our sick daughter). They were watching the news and didn't see any of what I was describing.
I'll be there again this year.

[Spangle]

47. You CAN, we CAN'T

It's really that simple.

After the protest, you don't have to worry about the Nazis watching your every movement. Looking for an excuse to hang you.

During the Protest, your actualy endangoring your life. Either there at that momment or getting arrested which will impact your future in a Nazi world. Do YOU feel like that while protesting Bush?

Then, will the media report it?

[alexisfree]

50. exactly...

I am afraid to speak up! deep inside of me I am really afraid of the law enforcement....they are making sure this protest will never happened...but still on Jan 20th in San Francisco. I will let them know that * is not my president. I will take hidden cameras just in case..

[Kitka]

57. Hmmmmm.

Funny, I protested a lot as a teenager and as an adult I’ve been organizing protests since 2002. I’ve put my phone number out there as contact info for protests, etc. And I have not been threatened once. Not to say that I don’t realize I’m likely on some “list” somewhere, but the threat is not as urgent as you’re painting it.

Even if the threat was that urgent, are there really so few willing to risk it?

[frogfromthenorth2]

59. Humm, I have some difficulty buying what you are saying...

Sorry for being skeptical...

[Spangle]

73. Then you don't understand how scary things have truely gotten!

I seen what they could do years ago. And they are much more open about it now days.

Those who protest have my deepest respect. They are HEROS! However, many don't realize that they are going into a war zone. They have peace in their hearts.

[Kitka]

77. Did you read my post?

What war zone are you talking about?

[livinginphotographs]

107. Have you been paying attention?

Did you see what happend to protestors in NYC during the RNC? Jailed for days until Bush left town in an old garage used to keep city buses, people coming out with chemical burns from the gasoline, non-protestors and journalists being swept up in nets, police driving motorcycles into the crowd....

I'll admit it....I'm afraid!!! I would really like to go to DC to protest during the inaguaration, but I have a thing about gulags.

[Willy Lee]

68. Sounds like you have just listed more reasons to protest.

Don't take it the wrong way- but things are only going to get worse. If today you are worried that you MIGHT be in danger, next year it won't be a worry, it will be a fact. The worse things get the more we need to stand up and fight!!

[Spangle]

72. Reallly.... I don't think you get the whole picture.

You got kids?

When your arrested, what will happen to them? Got a sitter willing to "set" for weeks, maybe months at a time? It could happen. Are you willing for Foster Care to step in? Not I, I've seen what can happen. I'm a foster parent.

What kind of record are you willing to get? Now days the "counter response team" is just itching for something to happen. ANY slight movement will could be seen as aggression against an officer. NOT a cool "record" to have.

Got money to pay for a legal team? Cause any court appointed person isn't going to hang their neck out for an "out of towner." And they would be to scared to take the system on.

And this is just the short list.

[Kitka]

78. I'm sorry, but that's simply not happening.

It's just not.

[dolo amber]

49. Survivor was on

[Stephanie]

51. We had half a million protesters against Bush in NYC in August

We have protested and protested and protested. You have a specific event to focus your protest - Bush's visit. The election results are too amorphous to organize around right now. There's nothing solid to focus the protest on. But more protests will come, for sure.

I don't think you had half a million, did you?

[Ladyhawk]

93. Go, NYC!!!!

Really, you guys know how to protest. Any chance you guys could do it again. Maybe it will catch on?

[__Inanna__]

53. My idea

Is that we all pick a day before January 20 and hold nation-wide protests, in each of our cities. With the Internet, I should think we'd be able to accomplish this. While I am concerned about the election, I am also just as concerned about the war and what appears to be this country's imperialist agenda. I am sure I am not the first person to think of this, so I will look to all of you, much more experienced in politics, to comment on this idea, if it has any merit, or would make any difference. Although I live in a red state, I am in.

As far as what either is, or appears to be, American apathy, yup, there sure is. I think the lazy theory, the learned helplessness theory, the fact that the democratic party has fallen silent, and the fact our MSM is owned by the right -- all of these things seem to play into this apathy.

[Lone_Wolf]

99. Protest on Inauguration Day!

http://www.blueflu.us

This is a protest and a general work stoppage for one day on Jan. 20th.

[tavalon]

103. this was my idea on November 6th, thereabouts

I couldn't find anyone organizing it and I felt overwhelmed as a single individual who had never organized a protest before in my life, so I went other directions with my protest efforts. Looking at things now, I see that I was just a little ahead of the curve. There are multiple great groups (some of the same ones as the anti-RNC demo groups) doing this now.

I'll be getting tickets to Washington DC and will be in one or many of those protests.

Now to go post on my own little adventure.

[proud patriot]

58. Well here's what I have done

On my Car I have "MOSH" on each side of my car .
On my Proud Patriot Jacket I added "It's time to MOSH"
On my long wool trench coat I wear 2 Buttons "Dethrone
King George" and "STOLEN ELECTIONS 2000 2004"

My front Window of my House has "Live Free or Diebold voting"
and "Sorry Everybody I did all I could" "Bush Does Not Speak
4 us" , and "Proud Kerry Voters" ...My Kerry sign is still
up on my front porch . I do not plan on taking it down.

I am a protest unto myself where-ever I go . I know I'm only
1 person but I'm still Standing here on the front lines .

[sickofit2]

61. Your right!!!!

Since I only have a few posts and can't start my own thread, I have been waiting for someone to say this. Everyday I see the Ukraine and others and now Canada, I am like, where the hell are our protestors? Why do we just roll over and play dead. DU is so wonderful, why can't we start our own peaceful protest. It has to be organized, like the past one in NYC. It can be done, but we have to stop complaining and crying and friggin do something. ( by the way, I am not excusing my lack of effort either ) Thanks Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

63. Yeah, even among very liberal people, if I bring up any facts or opinions

that don't gibe with "everything is exactly as it appears on the surface," people look at me like I'm some sort of conspiracy nut.

It's awfully hard to organize a demonstration when most of the country thinks Bush won fair and square.

[CornField]

66. Here's what I think is an honest answer: We're afraid.

When we consider the full implications of protests -- what might happen -- it scares the crap out of us. In short, Canadians are able to protest without the possible aftermath we face here in the U.S.

Our country is deeply divided and has been since the 2000 elections. It wouldn't take much more for that thin thread holding us together to snap. Who among us wants to be the person who breaks that thread?

At the moment there is still hope -- hope that the election process can be reformed; hope that the right things can be done; hope that we can still have faith in the democratic process. Right now we all sit holding our breath, praying that justice will be done. When all hope is lost, that's when the screaming will start.

For the moment, we are trying to save our nation. We are trying to have patience.

[Dark]

67. Well, for one thing, we don't have any unifying leader.

Kerry, that fuck face, could never do it. Edwards seems to have vanished, and Dean too.

Your government will speak out against Bush. Our senators are shit bags who will do whatever it takes to win again.

[offcenter]

69. We need another good protest in NYC

Haven't seen any since the RNC. That was a blast & felt like we were changing the world. Oh well.

But the big ones were about the war. I have a feeling they're not over yet.

[shakerbaker]

70. Your media tells the Truth

but ours doesn't anymore. Alot of people have swallowed the pro Bush spin the media spoon feeds them daily. I think this is part of problem.

If it can be proven that voter fraud occurred or if he reinstates the draft I think you will see more protesting.

If I hadn't had to work yesterday I would have joined the protesters in Vancouver yesterday as it is my second home.

[bklyncowgirl]

71. Good Question

I think alot of us are still in disbelief.

I also think that the indications of fraud are so scattered and nebulous that wrapping one's mind around a conspiracy that vast is hard --especially since Kerry, the leaders of the Democratic party and the national media have ignored the issue. Everyone expected that if there were any shenanigans on the part of the Republicans that any protests would be supporting efforts by Kerry, the Democrats and their legal teams.

Everyone was so focused on working to vote Bush out that there were no contingency plans on the left for a seemingly clear Bush win and a swift Kerry concession.

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. ZD Net and an article by Chomsky will

explain this to you better than I can... but it comes down to this....

Peoople don't have any investment in the system and... activists have failed to do their job...

The reasons are VERY COMPLEX, but we are at a cross roads.

Oh and we are protesting, but not in enough numbers... truly

[readmoreoften]

76. Because We're Numb, Confused, and we

Don't feel like it's going to do a damn bit of good. We have "free speech zones" where we don't get within a half miles of the event we're protesting. Then the media represents the crowd as 1/10th of what it was and no one hears about it.

Personally, I think the 'drumming' and 'puppeteering' and 'costumes' of 'outrage' are all very inappropriate. The sarcasm and snarkiness of most protests is an inappropriate response to this nightmare. What we need is a million people in the streets wearing black armbands.

That's my sense of it.

[quiet.american]

79. Not sure if this answer has been given....

Very good question -- one I've been asking myself... here are my thoughts --

No protests immediately afterwards because quite frankly, Kerry's very conciliatory concession speech had the effect of stunning and confusing his supporters with his calls for unity with Bush. Personally, this had the effect on me of "well, if I take to the streets, what for? Will Kerry accept the results of us fighting for his rightful election?"

No protests because many, many Democrats were holding out hope and perhaps still are, that the re-counting efforts would reveal Kerry as the winner.

No protests because practically no prominent Democratic politician has called for demonstrations the way the Ukraine opposition did -- in fact, quite the opposite -- the prominent Democrats seem to send the message that the blatant election fraud tactics of Bushco belong in the conspiracy aisle of the tin-foil-hat-wearers.

No protests because, personally, I believe there's a lot of real fear amongst us today for various reasons -- and I think we also know that when next we take to the streets, it just might be the start of a very real, very messy revolution in this country -- and maybe we just aren't up for that yet.

Just my own thoughts on this subject.

[frogfromthenorth2]

80. Great post....

[Pepper32]

86. Excellent summary. E.O.M

[quiet.american]

102. 'Preciate the feedback from you both :)

[bvar22]

81. By supper time, the Canadian Protests ....

...were being marginalized and swept from the front pages by the US CorpoMedia.
Earlier in the day, Canada receive some live coverage by several news stations,
but by supper the Media had received their orders from the White House.

What percentage of American citizens are aware of bush*s hostile reception in Canada?
Today, you are being portrayed as a handful of fringe Marxists and anarchists,
and bush* is the Brave Cowboy bringing Freedom and Democracy to Canada!!


Some on this site refuse to protest for a variety of reasons. That is their choice.
But many of us here ARE in the STREETS at every opportunity.
The CorpoMedia doesn't show it, but I've kept the pictures.

The REAL heroes of our Protest movement aren't the ones who attend ONE BIG protest
and then believe that they are now militant warriors.
Big Protests are the easy ones. They are a Giant Party with assured anonymity.

The REAL Heroes of the protest movement in America are the handfuls of people you see on the lonely street corners
by themselves or in small groups, quietly holding their signs week after week after week.

There is a movement simmering in America. It needs a leader, and the Democratic Party PROVED that they're NOT IT. So pardon us for a little while while we get reorganized.

I haven't heard too much about the Ohio protest this weekend. I'll go if I can.
The next big one will be in Washington DC on the Jan 20th.

I'll be there. Come on down

[tom_paine]

82. Because you are a Free People, and the Imperial Subjects of Amerika aren't

It is as simple as that.

And I cannot say such a thing and not include myself in the assessment.

Sad.

[Swamp Rat]

84. Je suis avec vous, mon cousin du nord!

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?!?

[TexasSissy]

85. To protest a valid election result is to protest against our system.

We must wait until we find evidence of fraud. If a majority of Americans voted for him, then I don't think it's right for me to protest THEIR vote. They have an equal right to vote for who they want, like I do.

There WERE protests here against the war. But they started in early 2003. Maybe they weren't covered well by the news, so you didn't see them.

Also...remember that we've been on a high strung emotional roller coaster, trying to get our guy elected since 2003.

Also...some folks are investigating, and requesting formal investigations of, election results in certain areas. Things look fishy in a few places.

Other than the above....I don't know. You're right, though. We cried when we lost, we were upset, we bitched. But we didn't take to the streets, maybe because it wouldn't have changed anything....maybe because our leader Kerry wasn't outraged. But maybe we should have. Maybe we should have. Maybe we should.

I'm not a starter. But I would join in, if there's a protest in my area.

[UncleSepp]

96. If Duke had won in Louisiana, would it be right to protest?

Remember when David Duke was running for governor of Louisiana? There was an anybody-but-Duke kind of campaign going on to not have him elected, and he lost. If the campaign had misfired and he'd have won, would that have been time for people to just go home, or would it have been time for people to get in the streets,demonstrate their disagreement with his policies, and protest the choices of their fellow Louisianans?

Demonstrating against Bush's policies is not demonstrating against democracy or democratic choice. I think that dissent upholds democracy. In the absence of real power sharing and crosspartisanship in goverment, it seems to me that it is the patriotic duty of those holding dissenting viewpoints to continue to express them and to remain a visible, public part of American life.

[TexasSissy]

117. You're right. You're right. But it's hard to know, when there has been

an election, whether it's right to protest someone else's choice. It's a hard call. Much easier to protest JUST policies (which of course should occur BEFORE the election), or to protest an election in the face of proven fraud.

[frogfromthenorth2]

111. Well, I think it's the sad truth that the election was won fair and square

That's why, I think, people are not protesting. They are ashamed of their neigborgs who voted for the chimp. That's why I am quite sure fraud was not the cause of this sad victory...

[Sterling]

87. Because we are lazy and weak.

And not willing to admit the depth of our trouble. If there ever is a civil war we will get our asses kicked, no two ways about it.

[President Kerry]

101. with the world on our side? not a chance, we will prevail

[Gyre]

89. No traction

The "liberal media" in the US refuses to cover the issue of election fraud here. If we can't get the word out because the press has failed us WTF are we supposed to do?

I note that the European media has covered our election fraud issue 100xs more frequently than any US media, other than Air America and Pacifica. Remember that DU only has about 60k members and is obviously not representative of the average American mindset which has been conditioned to mindlessly shout "conspiracy theorist" everytime it hears anything about election fraud.

The other factor, which should not be underestimated, is that the thought that our election has been actively stolen by any political party is so painful that most people just turn off anything or anybody advancing that particular theory. Hard to get around human nature sometimes even if those humans are stampeding off a cliff.

Gyre

[m berst]

90. because we are compromised

Imagine that the two parties were sports teams. The Democrats traded their blue collar voters for the Republicans' Rockefeller moderates. Now the Democratic party is dominated by people who are heavily invested in the system that the Republicans control and are apologists for the fundamental underlying lifestyle and set of assumptions.

From this position of power over the only opposition party, the moderates can portray any effective opposition proposals as "far left" and rip the guts out of any movement before it can get started.

They caution people against taking any strong stands, against showing any emotion, and against questioning the premises of corporatism and the suburban consumer life. Those would all be "too radical" they say. Yet, sit down with blue collar voters, and once you get past the 3 or 4 hot button issues that the Republicans have used to manipulate them, and you will find that they do not find a progressive platform to be "too radical" and they will make a very strong case to you that the Democratic party leadership does not care about them.

So long as the Democratic party is dominated by what we used to call moderate Republicans, they will monopolize the resources and control the language and policies of the opposition in a way that makes it not really effective opposition at all.

I am sure that someone will demand "proof" for these assertions. That is like someone asking for proof that the sky is blue. This tension and opposition happens every day right here, and those who can't see will never be persuaded and aren't sincere in any case in my opinion. The goal of many is to shut down any conversations about this so that no one else sees it.

Have you noticed how trying to argue with the moderates and centrists in the Democratic party feels the same and has the same dynamics as arguing with Republicans does? You come away feeling bullied and frustrated and tricked. The same debate techniques are used - the traps, the dead ends, the attempts to wear you down and confuse the issue and the meticulously worded put-downs that you can't quite call them on, the calls for "reality checks" and the "get over it" and the "stop whining" commentary - it is all there. This is a carefully worked out strategy to marginalize people by making them feel bad for - well, for feeling and caring. They will tell you that you are naive and unrealistic and worse. The arguments you are up against are all arguments for the status quo.

[Guarionex]

91. Why is it...

that we got the balls to go fight Iraqis in their land...but have no balls to fight for our own country?

Just a thought...

[anarchy1999]

94. Let's Act in the the Democratic Emergency - July 30, 2004

Sorry, I tried, no one wanted to listen....... I said the fix was in and was flamed away.

Published on Friday, July 30, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Let's Act in the the Democratic Emergency
by Ronnie Dugger

We are in an American emergency. It is the emergency of all our American emergencies. Along with the Civil War, this is our second crisis of legitimacy, but more, it is the culminative crisis of our identity. Are we a democracy, or have we irreversibly degenerated into a Presidential-corporate-military dictatorship? Are we still a good country, or are we becoming a bad country? Can we understand and act in the emergency well and fast enough, or will we lose the United States as we know it?

But as we approach the national election three months away, we have slowly awakened to realize, too, that this quite general American emergency is focusing down into an historic democratic emergency.

Four years ago James Baker, running the Bush campaign to steal the Presidency in Florida, proclaimed there again and again (although few noticed or understood what he was saying) that the "precision machinery" of computers counts and recounts votes better and more accurately than people do. The Bush people achieved what they wanted and asked for, a Supreme Court order that literally stopped the recounting of the votes in Florida. Newt Gingrich followed that up at once, still in December 2000, with a call for a totally computerized votecounting system by 2004.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0730-10.htm

[Sleepless In NY]

109. frogfromthenorth2 Why? probably because....

Election night, couldn't believe the results, when doubts expressed about Ohio, I was hopeful. When Edwards came out that night, and said "Every vote will be counted" I was ready for a fight. Then nothing.....Kerry conceeds. Just like that. It's over. No mention of voter fraud.

So what can you protest? Slowly reports about voter irregularities are coming in. Little media coverage, no reaction from Kerry/Edwards, nothing from the Democratic party. Counting still going on, supposedly.

It's the whole attitude. "Accept". All I hear about now, is how we should try to "win them over", how we should "appeal" to the ones that didn't vote for Kerry. How we should be more "moral". Like morality really exists in the states that enabled bush to "win". Read this if you want to see who's really "moral": "Walking the walk on family values" http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/


I listened to Obama the other night, Letterman asks why Kerry didn't win. Obama blames it on wind surfing. Michael Moore shows up on Leno looking like a Freeper. His reason we lost? "bush got more votes, because he had a more compelling "story", we haven't been attacked since 9/11." What about before 9/11, while he was ignoring Richard Clarke and PDB's& intelligence from other countries, that the threat of an attack was very high?

I really wish either one of them had said he won through fear and bigotry. That putting gay marriage/civil unions up for a vote the same day as the presidential election won over jobs, health care, & stem cell rearch. That all we heard about was fear & terror from a guy who had 9/11 on HIS watch. And he didn't do such a good job of "protecting us"..did he? That the counting wasn't over. That republican "morality" is a myth. Not a word about any of this from them or the Democratic party.

Instead everyone with any type of media attention, just rolls over. Now we all have to be "nice". "The People have spoken". Its beyond frustrating. I think if we had some real statistics to go on, about voter fraud, you would see things start to happen. But right now we are in the state of limbo. Electoral vote & Popular vote both won by bush. If we can't prove otherwise, protesting is useless. It will change nothing.

And I'm not going to flame you, I have no argument with Canadians, you have protested, you have sent soldiers to help in Afghanistan, while our freeper chickenhawks have stayed safe at home, you gave shelter to our countrymen on 9/11. And I thank you for all of that. I'm sorry it took bush 3 years to even mention half of that.

I'm waiting to see the outcome in Ohio, not sure what else to do..except start planning to secede! LOL!

[donkeyotay]

119. Nice post nt

[Liberal Chad from WI]

105. i would BUT lets not forget Kent St.

You are right in respects that we should all be protesting right now. The thing I am most afraid of is getting shot. How sad is that? I am afraid to have a peaceful protest, but with the government that we have you never know when they will come and open fire. It makes me absolutely sick.

[0rganism]

106. "didn't see a single image of protest from your country in the past month"

And what makes you think you'd see it when it happens?

Did you see this image? (Portland)


Or this one? (Denver)


Or this one? (Columbus)


Bottom line is, WE DID PROTEST, by the dozens, hundreds, and thousands. But we're tired, too. It's fatiguing, to be constantly marching against Bush's grocery list of misdeeds and the countless insane excesses of the republicans. The cops are fed up and crack down hard, the media scoffs and tells us to "get over it", and (perhaps worst of all) we have no real movement leaders to speak of.

[vetwife]

108. You're right but your country has more freedoms..We got Gitmo

We could take to the streets and have but no one ever hears about it. We are called a Focus Group. People are doing things....ITs coming down on Inauguration day I hear. I hear a lot of things are brewing ! See you are still in the land of the Free. We don't know where we are...except under a man who wants to conquer the world.

You are right but marching is not stopping this bunch. There is coordination and things going on Underground I hear.

[Starlight]

110. BF saw protests in SF when he was there last week.

And NY has also had protests. You're very naive if you actually think the mainstream media would show you anti-Bush demonstrations.

[frogfromthenorth2]

112. KICK

[Catchawave]

113. Thank you Canada for noticing !

I'm hoping the "Coronation of King George" protest(I hope, I hope) in January will make it up to you. Should be quite a party:party:

As for now, the DNC is so freaking worried about looking like sore losers, which may or may not effect the 2008 election, they are echoing the freepy mantra "get over it".

We have no clear organizational leaders right now, just fundraisers.

[davhill]

120. Protesting has been marginalized

Protests require media coverage. The controled US media will not cover any protest except for crazys like the nudes in the street at the repub convention.

[DS1]

114. Learn to pay attention. This is the first time Bush has appeared in

an official event since the stolen election.

Hint - Keep an eye for inauguration day.

[frogfromthenorth2]

115. I surely hope that these images will go around the world for the sake

of everyone who voted against that POS... what the hell Piece of Shit... Because I must admit, we don't get it...

[DS1]

116. We don't either

Hypocrit bullshit redstate fundiemania is a disease.

[frogfromthenorth2]

121. You want to protest? Here you go : "YOU STOLE MY VOTE" 51 CAPITAL MARCH

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x107990