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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:45 PM
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Let's look at the "Basis for our Law", shall we? The 10 Commandments...
Edited on Thu Sep-04-03 04:23 PM by Brotherjohn
(SARCASM ON)
Since the Ten Commandments are so topical, I thought now would be an opportune time to take a look back at how these biblical laws have influenced the laws of this great country (for those who just don't get it). I’ve inserted the Commandment number after each mention of a secular law, for a quick and easy reference to just how Exodus 20:1-17 has so obviously served as the basis of all things American. The actual commandments are found below:

Boy, for starters, it's a good thing that the Constitution made it clear that we were to place no gods before the God of the Bible (1), under penalty of law! You know, the Judeo-Christian one. Yeah, Him. It's all right there in the Constitution, isn't it?

Likewise, Thomas Jefferson wisely suggested that the First Amendment included the ban against graven images unto thy Lord (2). I think that’s why statues in D.C. can only be 18 feet or something. Isn’t God 19 feet tall?

And THANK GOD that, just for good measure, the founding fathers also saw fit to legally restrict us from taking the Lord’s name in vain (3)! I mean, Jesus H. Christ! Could you imagine if everyone were going around doing this!? After all, we’re not a bunch of heathens! That’s what we were running away from: goddamned Limey druid pagans!!

Of course, we’re all familiar with the Constitutional ban on having our manservants and cows work on Sunday (4). Amendment 41 or 68 or something.

Honour thy father and thy mother (5)... okay, the framers missed this one. Oh what a better place America would be if we could only lock up our children in a “Super-Max” penitentiary every time they mouthed off!

Everyone knows that the idea of murder being a no-no (6), and therefore made illegal by the Constitution, is so unique to the Bible that I don’t know HOW the framers would have figured that one out on their own! I mean, they may have been geniuses and all, but they were a little lacking in the common sense department. This is demonstrated by their failure to just make Christianity the official state religion from Day One and be done with it, which would have freed us from all this pointless controversy.

As for adultery being illegal (7), it’s right there in Amendment 74, or in the footnotes, I think. Don’t you get put in stocks in the town square, or get a red letter tattooed to your chest, or something? It’s ashamed that most states are removing this law from their books. Oh well… “states’ rights” and all that.

Theft, of course, is another tricky one (8). If it hadn’t been for the Bible, our founding fathers might have missed this one, too. You don’t think they’d have picked it up from the Magna Carta or the Code of Hammurabi, do you? The Magna Carta was on that old decaying paper, and their copy was probably damaged in the boat trip over. Besides, that was another Limey pagan document. And don’t even mention old Hammurabi. Besides being the WORST kind of pagan, that book was written on a two and a half ton slab of stone, so you don’t think John Adams would even have thought about bringing it on the Mayflower, do you! I mean, come on! Who would EVER put their laws on a two and a half ton block of granite! Only an idiot, that's who!

Lying (9), is, of course, still punishable by death in most states.

Lastly, thank the Most Holy Jesus Himself for making sure the Constitution says we cannot covet our neighbor’s “ox, nor his ass” (10), nor any other farm animals or other things (or people) that might belong to him. This place would be downright chaos if you had everybody running around coveting their neighbors’ goods and trying to keep up with the Joneses. They’d be taking out second and third mortgages and running up massive credit card debt just to get that new kitchen, or a jet black H2, or to get anything else they might be coveting. That would be pure, unadulterated… CAPITALISM!

Oh. Nevermind.

(SARCASM OFF)

The Ten Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17, King James version (edited for brevity):

1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image...
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain...
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates...
5) Honour thy father and thy mother...
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:47 PM
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1. On the adultry one alone
How many repugs would be in prison as we speak??

oh that's right, none. The rules don't apply to them.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:55 AM
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15. On that one alone
It HAS BEEN illegal in many states, whether you agree with it or not.
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:51 PM
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2. This is great
You ought to surreptitously send this out as one of those email chains like the right wing sends out. It would be around the world in about 2 days.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:02 PM
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6. no kidding!
Edited on Thu Sep-04-03 04:25 PM by Greyskye
Before you do though, clean up the grammer a bit. Here is a first pass rev2:

Let's look at the "Basis for our Law", shall we? The 10 Commandments...


By Anonymous

(SARCASM ON)
Since the Ten Commandments are so topical, I thought now would be an opportune time to take a look back at how these biblical laws have influenced the laws of this great country (for those who just don't get it). I’ve inserted the Commandment number after each mention of a secular law, for a quick and easy reference to just how Exodus 20:1-17 has so obviously served as the basis of all things American. The actual commandments are found below:

Boy, for starters, it's a good thing that the Constitution made it clear that we were to place no gods before the God of the Bible (1), under penalty of law! You know, the Judeo-Christian one. Yeah, Him. It's all right there in the Constitution, isn't it?

Likewise, Thomas Jefferson wisely suggested that the First Amendment included the ban against graven images unto thy Lord (2). I think that’s why statues in D.C. can only be 18 feet or something. Isn’t God 19 feet tall?

And THANK GOD that, just for good measure, the founding fathers also saw fit to legally restrict us from taking the Lord’s name in vain (3)! I mean, Jesus H. Christ! Could you imagine if everyone were going around doing this!? After all, we’re not a bunch of heathens! After all, that’s what we were running away from: goddamned Limey druid pagans!!

Of course, we’re all familiar with the Constitutional ban on having our manservants and cows work on Sunday (4). Amendment 41 or 68 or something.

Honor thy father and thy mother (5)... okay, the framers missed this one. Oh what a better place America would be if we could only lock up our children in a “Super-Max” penitentiary every time they mouthed off!

Everyone knows that the idea of murder being a no-no (6), and therefore made illegal by the Constitution, is so unique to the Bible that I don’t know HOW the framers would have figured that one out on their own! I mean, they may have been geniuses and all, but they were a little lacking in the common sense department. This is demonstrated by their failure to just make Christianity the official state religion from Day One and be done with it, which would have freed us from all this pointless controversy.

As for adultery being illegal (7), it’s right there in Amendment 74, or in the footnotes, I think. Don’t you get put in stocks in the town square, or get a red letter tattooed to your chest, or something? It’s ashamed that most states are removing this law from their books. Oh well… “states’ rights” and all that.



Theft, of course, is another tricky one (8). If it hadn’t been for the Bible, our founding fathers might have missed this one, too. You don’t think they’d have picked it up from the Magna Carta or the Code of Hammurabi, do you? The Magna Carta was on that old decaying paper, and their copy was probably damaged in the boat trip over. Besides, that was another Limey pagan document. And don’t even mention old Hammurabi. Besides being the WORST kind of pagan, that book was written on 10-ton slabs of stone, so you don’t think John Adams would even have thought about bringing it on the Mayflower, do you! I mean, come on! Who would EVER put their laws on a 10-ton block of granite! What an idiot!

Lying (9), is, of course, still punishable by death in most states.

Lastly, thank the Most Holy Jesus Himself for making sure the Constitution says we cannot covet our neighbor’s “ox, nor his ass” (10), nor any other farm animals or other things (or people) that might belong to him. This place would be downright chaos if you had everybody running around coveting their neighbors’ goods and trying to keep up with the Joneses. They’d be taking out second and third mortgages and running up massive credit card debt just to get that new kitchen, or a jet black H2, or to get anything else they might be coveting. That would be pure, unadulterated… CAPITALISM!

Oh. Never mind.

(SARCASM OFF)

The Ten Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17, King James version (edited for brevity):


1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image...
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain...
4) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates...
5) Honour thy father and thy mother...
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s."


Edited to change author to Anonymous at author's request
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:16 PM
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8. I don't see any changes you made.
I'd just as soon leave it as is. It's supposed to be a bit "ignorant" sounding, as it's written as if it were from a freeper who believes it.

Go ahead and distribute as you see fit (anyone). just keep it "anonymous", and, preferably, don't edit it. But I know these things end up going through a million permutations if they get "out there" on the net.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:24 PM
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10. The changes
The only changes I made were for spelling errors and punctuation, as well as adding the author's attribution. I feel that if I'm going to forward on things like this, I like to have them as spotless as possible.

:hippie:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:26 PM
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11. Oh, I went through and missed them. I guess if they were minor...
...forward ahead!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:56 PM
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3. You forgot a lot of the forth commandment
It also says that every seventh year the land must have a Sabbath and that nothing can be taken from the land in that seventh year. And every 7x7 years or the fifty-year all debts would be forgiven and property would be returned to its owner. When has that ever been the law?
Just a strait reading of the ten is all that is necessary to come to the conclusion that they are not our law.

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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:59 PM
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5. Yeah, like I said, edited for brevity... I thought about keeping in...
...parts of the 2nd or 3rd that mention "visiting iniquity upon the sons and duaghters of the third and fourth generations of those who hate Him"... or something like that.

The absurdity of such a thing written into the Constitution would be funny.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:08 PM
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7. You must be careful though
Not to confuse the laws of Moses with the Ten Commandments. The laws of Moses were written to conform to the ten just as our laws were written to conform to the constitution,


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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:19 PM
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9. Is the text of Exodus 20:1-17 NOT the actual "10 Commandments"?
That's what I found on the web from numerous sources.

Even if these are the "Laws of Moses", I'd venture to say what's on Judge Moore's monument is pretty close to this.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 01:40 AM
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12. No that is it
But to understand what I mean read the first line of Exodus 21
“These are the judgments that you shall set before them” That is the laws or judgments that Moses gave to Israel.
The Ten Commandments are the frameworks for the laws of Moses. Moses made the laws to conform to the commandments and set the punishments for the offence. And Moses set very strict laws and punishments because the tribes were not yet a nation and were disobedient to the max.
I say that because some want to attach everything to the commandments even the “eye for an eye and tooth for tooth” Which are clearly the laws of Moses.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:58 PM
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4. Covet Thy Neighbor's Ass! Whew!
Even if it is a great ass... :shrug:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:03 AM
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13. "goddamned Limey druid pagans"
you're killing me!

:toast:
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:15 AM
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14. About the fifth commandment
It means to do right by your parents. It says to honor, I didn't see the word obey in there.

That being said, your post is absolutly correct.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:58 AM
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16. Other stuff
The sabbath provision is STILL part of laws around the U.S. in the form of blue laws.

There are places in the U.S. where you can be arrested for taking the name of God in vain or cursing at all for that matter.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour is the basis for legal claims of perjury.

And, as an aside, if coveting were really illegal, we'd all go to jail in America.
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