JL Won Debate??? WTF???

[Avalux]

I'm watching Capitol Report on CNBC because they're covering the debate and it's all I can find (didn't get to watch it live). These idiots reporting claim Lieberman did the best job - especially during the trade sequence.
I can't watch this garbage anymore - gonna puke. :puke:

[Terwilliger]

1. Joe is the corporate candidate

no wonder they like him

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. Let's not fool ourselves, Lieberman did very well.

He's going straight for the center and the south and he did a very good job. His underhanded attack on Dean was as low as the moderator's underhanded attack on Kucinich. Very interesting how the trade and NAFTA debate turned out isn't it?

[Jim Sagle]

27. Lieberman ain't nuthin' but shit and neither is the jagoff

pundit who said he won.

The audience didn't think so either.

[graham67]

40. Moderator attacked Kucinich

I tuned in late. What did the moderator say to Kucinich?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

50. the moderator interrupted Kucinich and made a joke

about KMart, which no other moderator did to any other candidate. This was the introduction of the NAFTA and corporate trade debate, no surprise there.

The moderator asked about profits that Walmart and Kmart were making. When Kucinich started talking about the profits of Walmart and Kmart, the moderator interrupted him and make a joke about Kmart declaring bankruptcy.

This is exactly how corporate media frames debates and excludes views they want to keep quiet. This exchange was obviously scripted for the moderator. A very low blow.

And Lieberman's underhanded attack against Dean was obviously scripted too, and Dean did a good job of defending himself. Lieberman came across like a jerk.

[caledesi]

56. Lieberman was a cadaver. Where was the applause? eom

[Walt Starr]

2. I'm tellin' ya, Lieberman is the BBV candidate

He WILL be the Democratic nominee, mark my words...

[Avalux]

6. If that happens

I may be forced to leave the country, and I'm very serious.

[Walt Starr]

9. Lieberman is the Bush administration wet dream

and BBV will guarantee a landslide victory for Bush b y making Lieberman his opponent.

[caledesi]

57. Agreed. eom

[Woodstock]

15. Me too - I'm anyone but Bush and LIEberman

ABBAL

[Mark Hartzer]

25. Could anyone be worse than Lieberman? (except shrub)

Oh my god. Can you believe that they think that Joe Lieberman won the debate? This man has zero chance of winning in 2004. Just listening to him makes my skin crawl. As crappy as shrub is, I think that even he'll be able to beat snorin' Joe Lieberman in Nov. 2004.

[Bucky]

32. forced to leave country, very serious

Ugh. I'm sorry, but "I'm going to leave America if my candidate doesn't win" is such a quitter's attitude. Whatever happened to fighting FOR your country? Why must so many lefties insist on surrendering to the bastards?

I know it's a hollow threat, I know 99% of the people who say it don't mean it... even the one's who are "very" serious. But still, it discourages our side to do this surrender-talk and I really wish more people of good sense had a little more heart than to knuckle under and go running away to frozen places like Norway or Yellowknife every time the going gets tough here.

[Avalux]

51. Didn't say anything about my candidate

I'd support any of the candidates except Lieberman. And really, if truth be known, I would vote for him over chimpy - but I'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way.

[Cha]

7. No! I refuse to think he will! joe may be the corporate choice..

but I believe the People are going to have their say This Time! :kick:

[Walt Starr]

11. Have you been paying attention to BBV?

I honestly wonder if the people will ever have a say again.

[Cha]

28. Yes I have but my optimism and confidence in People like

Bev Harris are astounding!

[pansypoo53219]

42. polling

will make that IMPOSSIBLE. It would create a mass uprising if they tried to force lieberputz on us.

[IndianaGreen]

3. They are all Republicans on CNBC

of course they are going to like the candidate that most sounds like one of them.

[Cha]

4. They must be pushing lieberman...I didn't hear most of it but

according to our DUers...joe did not impress the audience.

[robbedvoter]

5. Try PBS - or the local NPR station

[oasis]

8. Hannity liked Joe too because of his opposition to Dean on trade.

A hell of an endorsement.

[Avalux]

13. He Needs To Go

He's stinking up the Democratic Party. He's right up there with chimpy on my list of most revolting.

[ibegurpard]

55. Anyone who would be influence by Hannity's opinion

wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway.

[caledesi]

58. Who gives a f*ck about Hannity? eom

[OHdem10]

65. Hannity has been promoting Lieberman forever

Lieberman is Fox's choice. Keep in mind they call the Media Liberal.
They are on social issues but on economics they are to the right of the American people. This is why --you mark my wodrd--they will all say Lieberman wone when he recived the least amount of applauseThe Media especiallyTV are Rockefeller Republicans. Another point I saw some analysis in Zogby Poll which is a respected poll. In polling the majoity of the few votes he recieves are from Republicans. The Media love Lieberman and hate Kerry and want to stop Dean. Us Kerry suporters have to to really do something--send lots of EMails showing our support. Kerry is the "Bill Clinton Candidate"--that is he is the target of their visciousness. Since they chose Bush and helped him win--l00k at the mess he caued--you would think they would learn. The DLC wants Lieberman. Clark and kery will get it big time from Media. These are my two favorite candidates so I am bracing myself.
a political junkie I have picked up on their pettiness.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. The corporate media is saying Lieberman did the best on corporate trade

big surprise there!

[Woodstock]

14. GOOD GRIEF!!! ARE THEY COMPLETELY INSANE?

OR just Republicans?

LIEberman sucks.

[Woodstock]

17. ABBAL

Anyone But Bush And LIEberman

[Mel]

34. and they don't give

a rip because their jobs (reporters) aren't going to be shipped overseas that's another part of why.

I can't believe they said Lieberman won well yea I can it's not the real world anymore our media is pravda.

What I've seen, Lieberman isn't impressing the crowds at least not the ones I've seen him speak too.

I turned the yapping lying heads off long ago. I'm glad there are DUers that can still stomach them I just can't.

[dolstein]

16. No big surprise there -- he won the South Carolina debate too

NT

[Gloria]

18. My rightwing mother told me yesterday she could vote for Lieberman...

that about says it all!

[dean4america]

19. when sean hannity...

agrees with you on ANY position, you know you've complete lost your f'ing mind -- joe did NOT win this debate, not by a long shot to the people who actually watched it.

In terms of style, gephardt was good/polished, so were the other pros. dean's still the wildcard vis-a-vis he didn't come off great, but had great substance. we all said he sucked on MTP, we all said he sucked in SC debate, etc., and it he went up.

[Clete]

20. Why do you care?

We know it wasn't JL and if the freepers believe it, they aren't voting for JL anyway. Just chalk it up to another lie from the "liberal media".

[SaveElmer]

21. Lets not go overboard

Lieberman did a good job...as did all of them. In my opinion Dean, Kerry, and Mosely-Braun were the most coherant. Lieberman is to the right of where I am, and I'm not a supporter of his in the primary, but he did get some good attacks in on Bush, and most of what he said was well within the Democratic mainstream. His attack on Dean in terms of trade backfired a bit, he wasn't able to articulate very well his problem with Deans position, and Dean came back with a very good answer.

[Cha]

29. What was "Dean's very good answer"?

Thanks!

[NewJerseyDem]

22. Susan Molinari

I thought that Susan Molinari said that. Maybe I'm wrong about that but if she said that Lieberman won than who cares. She is a republican and the other people didn't seem to say that.

They were just saying how Lieberman did well when he confronted Dean about imposing american labor standards around the world.

[caledesi]

59. All the repugs say that LIEberman won because he is their "wet dream"

[blm]

23. They liked Lieberman, Dean and dumped on Kerry.

Gloria Borger and Alan Murray...they're treating him the same way they did Gore. Surprise.

[tedoll78]

24. They liked..

both Lieberman AND Dean. Interesting.

[SayitAintSo]

38. Kerry's looking good ... got a 'new attitude' ....

They are still scared of him .... let them dump....they will step in their own stuff ....and not be able to get it off their shoe ...

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[Cha]

30. Bulloney! joe ain't gonna win nothin'

except maybe senator again from Conn.

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[Clete]

35. Arnold's a ham actor. He wears his eggs very well.

Bush is the cartoon character. Wily coyote comes to mind. Everything he does backfires on him.

[Cha]

47. then don't say it cause it ain't true anyway! lieberman is The..

Cartoon Character! he is so going to Lose and it will be that much Better for our Country!

[caledesi]

61. Excuse me, but the "others" ALL did quite well. I was proud. eom

[maxanne]

33. yeah

right. You do remember what happened in 2000 don't you?

Lieberman may be the choice of your party - but he sure ain't the choice of mine.

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[Walt Starr]

43. Likeberman damn near through me over to the Greens

A Lieberman nomination would be disastrous for the Democratic Party. The people would rather have Bush than somebody who tries as hard as he can to sound like Bush.

[chaumont58]

49. How was Holy Joe the choice of Dems in 2000?

The VP candidate is chosen by the Presidential nominee, period. There is a formality vote, but that's all it is, a formality. How does that Lieberman the choice of Dems in 2000? I'm a Dem, and he wasn't my choice, for anything. If I lived in Ct, he wouldn't get my vote for any office. He shows up in polls now, because not many people are really interested yet in 2004 politics. Lieberman is getting by on 2000 name recognition.

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[ibegurpard]

53. I voted for Gore IN SPITE of Lieberbush!

NO ONE in the political office I worked in at the time was impressed with the selection of Joe Lieberman as Gore's running mate. In my opinion, he harmed Gore more than he helped him.

[caledesi]

63. I wanted Gore and whoever went along w/ him.

It just happened to be Holy Joe.

BIG difference between president and VP!

[caledesi]

62. Yeah, and that was for VP and the LAST century! Get hipl

Holy Joe is a loser.

[Avalux]

36. Go home

or back wherever you came from.

[oasis]

46. If Dem's are kinder and gentler to Joe,he'll campaign for the Dem nominee.

[Mel]

37. Haaa! haaa! haaa!

You are so Wrong! It's not going to happen. Gore beat Bush not Joe and a lot of people held their noses when they cast that vote because of Lieberman.

[GreenArrow]

41. LOL

Love that sarcasm!

[Cronus Protagonist]

45. Why are so many new people comedians?

Just wondering.

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[bitchkitty]

48. Are you on crack?

Or something else? I would love to be able to escape reality that way, got any more?

[caledesi]

60. Funny. The audience didn't think so. eom

[pansypoo53219]

44. and another reason

lieberputz will never be the nominee is cause he ain't gonna get the $$$ to stick out the race past NH.

[caledesi]

64. That's right pans. Did he ever report his 2nd quarter earnings?

Or are we still waiting? Wait til the 3rd quarter, Joe is gone.

[PATRICK]

54. great litmus test

to see who is not the liberal media. Judging from the breadth of corporate smiles on "good boy" New Democrats it seems uncalculated pro-business prejudices outweighing common sense. Makes it hard to see if the real trolls were planning to pump Leiberman in the media.

The main value is to see how the business media views Democrats, mainly as weak sisters who might be useful when sanity is occasionally needed.
The trouble is that kind of support will never gain an election for the Democrats. Nor will it stop them from being natural enemies of the party(much less liberalism!) no matter how it bends over. Nor will that press sector ever let go(enough) of suicidal greed without a lawsuit or gun against their heads whatever common sense tells them.

Not until it gives up all people interest constituencies. Maybe it is getting like Saddam giving up WMD's. Would we even have them(constituencies) anymore if Leibermans disarmed the party?