How we make Brother Matcom's Testimony a REALITY.

[Tyler Durden]

Matcom got in his M1A1 ABRAMS Tank today and took aim. No more compromise. No more Mr. Nice Liberal. Here's how "we" (the Democratic/Liberal/Left/what have you) become his loader so the Party can aim the gun:

ONE

No more "bipartisanship" That is a Neocon buzz word for "Drop your pants and bend over." Bush gets NOT ONE of his reactionary assholes appointed. No more spending bills go through with "poison pills" aimed at us.
PERIOD.


TWO

The RULES are the RULES are the RULES. Items like the Rules "change" that allow DeLay to keep his post after TWO Democratic speakers have been torpedoed NO LONGER FLY. No Quorum. Tie up debate. STOP BUSINESS.
PERIOD.


THREE

NOTHING is voted on for spending until Social Security is un-tapped, Medicar/Medicaid is propped up, and Education is on solid, equal ground. NO MORE CRUMBS. The PEOPLE come FIRST, not BOEING, not LITTON SHIPS SYSTEMS, not MARTIN MARIETTA, not ENRON. PERIOD.


FOUR

We take our principles seriously, and we take them to the LEFT.

Universal Healthcare is done by nations that are mice to our elephant. It CAN be done. All you have to do is STOP the WEALTHY from using our healthcare as their cash cow. NOW.

OUR CHILDREN WILL BE EDUCATED. ALL OF THEM. EQUALLY. NOW.

EVERYBODY VOTES. You don't vote-you don't DRIVE, and if that doesn't work, we find a "privilege" to take away that WILL WORK. VOTING IS THE RESPONSIBILITY A FREE CITIZEN TAKES ON TO BE A MEMBER OF SOCIETY. IT IS NO LONGER OPTIONAL. Even the Canadians did something to fit, non-volunteers during WWII: they made them sewer workers. We have LOTS of "sewers." I'm absolutely convinced that if everyone votes, we win, so....EVERYONE votes. NOW.

EQUALITY. And if you preach descrimination, ESPECIALLY FROM A PULPIT, STAND BY FOR HEAVY WEATHER. "Churches" that preach intolerance and politics ARE NO LONGER TAX FREE. PERIOD. NOW.

NOBODY goes HUNGRY. PERIOD. NOW.


AND MOST IMPORTANT: FIVE

No more cat-herding. WE ARE THE LIBERALS. That's WHY there is a Democratic Party. Join the fucking party, or go the fuck away. If you want to be a "Conservative," then go try and talk the Republicans out of being FASCISTS. NOW.

RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

HEY MATCOM! UP!!!!

[avguardia]

1. Damn right

This is the first post I've read since becoming a member here and I'm glad it is. Amen to that...the Dems have to cowboy the fuck up

[Shopaholic]

2. Sounds like a plan to me.

So why won't our "leaders" do it? And how can we hold their feet to the fire so they will?

[Tyler Durden]

9. PAGING WILL PITT!

We need to start SCREAMING. He does that very eloquently. We can help him: every screamer needs a MOB. Time to act like one.

[wellstone dem]

49. welcome to DU!

And what a great first post to read.

[dweller]

3. Nominated!

i want this up front where it will be seen.

dp

[wellstone dem]

50. me too

this is front page material.

[Autumn]

4. To the LEFT

All the way.

[otaku]

5. we need to be strong advocates for our traditional values

and stop apologizing for them.

i wish our leaders - ie. clinton, kerry, etc - would get OUTRAGED over the bush policies like they get outraged over their image :argh:

clinton came off poorly getting OUTRAGED recently on teeVee the other week with peter jennings over his 'image' when there are much more important things to be outraged over.

what are our leaders thinking i wonder? they sure know what we are :evilgrin:

[gennifer6]

6. Nice job......

and hello to the new"er" folks here.....

mandantory voting is something we should push like hell. Republicans tend to lean to the ignorant, Democrats (sorry) tend to lean toward the stupid. Ignorant people vote, stupid people don't. If every citizen was forced to vote, there would never be a Republican ANYTHING again....

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Damn straight!

RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

[matcom]

8. UP!!!!!!!

thanks bro

:thumbsup:

[Tyler Durden]

10. ON THE WAAAAAAY!

NEXT TARGET AQUIRED.

[cali]

11. This isn't gonna happen.

Reminds me of when my son was five. It's just venting to talk like this. And it's bullying.

This particular passage is absurd:

EQUALITY. And if you preach descrimination, ESPECIALLY FROM A PULPIT, STAND BY FOR HEAVY WEATHER. "Churches" that preach intolerance and politics ARE NO LONGER TAX FREE. PERIOD. NOW.

Who defines intolerance and discrimination. What about separation of church and state? What about free speech?

[the other rick]

12. good point

MLK said a lot of things from the pulpit that were unpopular. So did Malcolm X.

[More Than A Feeling]

13. I agree.

I don't have anything to add. Just wanted to let you know that you aren't alone.

[cali]

15. Thanks

Not only am I prepared for the incoming, I look forward to it.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Right.

The problem with ideas like this is that the tool only looks good when it's in your hands. Can't wait to see what the Republican congress would do with a tool that allowed them to arbitrarily strip organizations of their tax-exempt status.

[Tyler Durden]

20. It's not arbitrary, and they'll never support it.

or any other portion of a leftist agenda.

We roll over them, and we win, or we lose everything. The Rules have changed, and Ghandi is now wrong. Sorry.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. "The Rules have changed, and Ghandi is now wrong."

I'd just love an explanation of what you mean by this statement. If you're advocating the armed overthrow of the US government, I would respectfully submit that I do not believe this to be a particularly good idea, regardless of what Ghandi would say on the subject.

[cali]

25. What you gonna do?

Bleed all over them? We can't roll over them. All we can do is fight being completely rolled over. And your sweeping statement that Ghandi is now wrong, is sadly misguided. You're not suggesting that we start mowing down right wingers in the street, are you?

[Tyler Durden]

27. I REALLY know you aren't a troll....

But the "if you aren't handing out flowers, you must be for KILLING..." attitude is out of style.

You know what I'm saying, and if you don't, then I can't help you. REAL ACTION is needed without concession.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

31. Ghandi

Ghandi didn't beat the brits by handing out flowers. Do you have a point, or are you just venting?

[H2O Man]

40. The only thing wrong with Gandhi

was your spelling. One can hardly "reject" that which one does not understand.

[Tyler Durden]

23. Are you a Leftist, or not?

If the Democratic Party isn't headed where I'm going, then I'm going without them.

I know you aren't a troll; but you ARE naive. We are now in a WAR of our own. There is NO separation of Church and State with the Rightists. "Free" speech has a price: if it comes from a CHURCH and goes political, then it isn't a church anymore. That's the cost.

As to descrimination and intolerance: if you want to go there, you really need to get with someone who wants to debate the finer points. I think you are debating for the sake of argument. Idiots fight in burning buildings and on sinking ships. Time to evacuate, pick up a hose, or bail. PERIOD.

[cali]

29. I'm a liberal.

I've always been a liberal, and I'm proud to call myself one. I've been a dem for a long time, but my time with the party is probably at an end. They're just not liberal enough for me on the National level. My state party's pretty good, but we've got a Progressive party here in Vermont and we're making gains in the legislature.
I don't know. I'm torn.

Having said that, serious as the matter of the spinelessness of the dem party is, I don't think being hysterical about it helps. And I think some of your suggestions arise out of anger, frustration and hysteria. If you can't see what I was saying about freedom of speech and separation of church and state, than stop and take a deep breath for a moment. We don't want to become that which we oppose.

As far as being naive goes, I fear I lean towards being jaded and cynical. I wouldn't mind a bit of my naivete back.

[politicat]

38. If you're talking politics from the pulpit, you're not a not-for-profit.

Churches get their tax free status at a price - they stay out of politics. Many of them have stopped following this rule, and are using their pulpits as a politicking forum. Not okay.

I've turned a dozen complaints in to the IRS over the years, and gotten one church shut down for politicking. You play by the rules, or you go to the penalty box. That's the social contract.

Churches have free speech - except when it comes to politics. That's the price they pay for not having to pay their dues to be part of this society.

No special rights.

Pcat

[cali]

39. You're incorrect.

Churches can't support candidates. They certainly can speak to public policy. And I want them to be able to do that. The civil rights movement, grew in great part, out of churches. Social justice is another church driven movement. Tell William Sloan Coffin that politics doesn't belong in church, or MLK, or any number of socially active liberal clergymen and women. If we limit that kind of speech, we're doing ourselves a grave diservice.

[politicat]

41. And I disagree with you.

When churches speak on politics, they speak about candidates. They rarely speak about policy anymore. (Would you like to hear my tapes that I send to the IRS?) In 600 hours of listening over the past two years, I have heard social justice addressed once, at a Unitarian Church. I've heard candidate endorsements and even candidate platforms more times than I can count. I've even seen candidates invited into the churches and to deliver their stump speech. This is not acceptable. It's an endorsement by religion of partisan politics.

However, even if the churches would go back to speaking about policy, I think it is an attempt to insert themselves into the governmental process, which is a place where they do not belong. If we want the government to stay out of the churches, then it needs to be a two way street. It's not acceptable for churches to meddle with government and government to be unable to defend itself. You may have nice, liberal, socially conscientious churches where you are, but from where I'm sitting, these churches are >< far from breaking out the rifles and coming after us liberals with a lynch mob.

Churches are private sector entities. They are welcome to do whatever they wish as long as it stays in the private sector. As soon as they step over that line and start interfering with public policy, governmental process, or the civil rights of others, they've stopped being a community based faith organization and turned into a an activist organization. Thus, they should lose that protection from taxation.

If my GLBT or Social Justice NFP did half of the things that the churches around here do, we'd have to reorganize as a 527 or a 501(c)4. And yet, these churches get away with murder (literally, in some cases...)

So, we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Pcat

[cali]

42. I certainly agree with you about candidate

endorsements and candidate platforms. I have no reason to doubt your 600 hours of tapes, but I do know that it's not only the Unitarians who speak to social justice issues. And yes, we do have nice, liberal churches around here and I'm glad of it. I don't want them to turn away from speaking about these social issues. If we silence the right, then we silence the left. I'm not willing to see that day come. Churches have been in the forefront of some pressing social issues, from the abolition of slavery to the Iraq War. More power to them.

[Career Prole]

14. I just cracked my first damned smile of the day.

Thank you!!
:yourock:

[Gold Metal Flake]

16. So, where do we go and how do we start?

Where are the Meet-ups?

[Tyler Durden]

19. It starts with phone calls

WRITTEN LETTERS, and personal visits to representatives. DO NOT pass up ANY opportunity to communicate your ire.

Next comes the action. When the Economic Crash hits, we won't have any choice, but we can act before then.

I'll meet with ANYONE, as long as they aren't there to play debating society. We're here to WIN for the LEFT. Put on the Gloves or go home.

[cali]

21. The meetups are right where they've always been

Go to DFA meetups. The infrastructure is there for grassroots progressive causes.

[Tyler Durden]

26. Right.

Meetups really worked for Howard Dean.

You are bringing a knife to a gunfight. The other side has .50 cal. machine guns, and you're talking "meetups."

[cali]

30. Tyler, Meetups are working, and yes

they worked phenomenally well for Howard. He was the longest of long shots, and OK, he didn't make it, but look how far he got- propelled by the grassroots. DFA has been doing great stuff. They had a lot of successes on Nov. 2. Just recently they raised a shitload of money for the Washington State recount.

What are you suggesting? Calling and writing your reps to demonstrate your ire with them? I'm not saying that isn't a tactic, but it';s not enough. And depending on who those reps are, and what states they're from, it could be fruitless.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

55. We are where Malcom X was in his 1964 speech, ready to get SERIOUS.

It's now called his 'ballet or the bullot' speech. He was espousing militancy. I don't. But we can learn something at this point and act.

He pointed out exactly how the current tactics weren't working. He urged a stronger response to injustice than singing at sit-ins and hoping "our white liberal friends" would eventually rescue Black Americans.

He also urged economic boycott and 'starving the beast.'

And now every one of us is in the exact same position 40 years later.

What we are up against is a fascist>CIA>Republican>neo-con machine that understands the masses better than liberals do and plays them like a bagpipe with a drone of fear and a chanter of hope.

IT IS TIME TO FIGHT BACK MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN OUR 'LEADERS.'
We are up against decades of psy-ops tactics and our liberal representatives are either incompetent or bought off.

WE MUST FIGHT PSY-OPS WITH EQUALLY EFFECTIVE TACTICS.
SO I SUGGEST A GRASSROOTS GUERILLA AWARENESS CAMPAIGN ON THE STREET:

“If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war.”
-Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War

1)Science has proven that our brains stress when we see stress on someone else's face. Probably because we are social animals and our survival is linked to other people's survival.

SO.

Showing disturbing photos of war victims is the only way to break through the media black-out on the consequences of the Iraq war.

COVER EVERY PUBLIC SURFACE WITH THOSE DISTURBING PHOTOS TO BREAK THROUGH THE DENIAL AND DETACHMENT!
(Caption-"Sending Our Kids to Kill Their Kids Isn't Making Us Safer")
http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/pictures/?source=iraq&page=3
------------------

2) Freeway bannering for rush hour is the way to reach many thousands of people who are practically a captive audience in their cars.

Using the 'Burma Shave' technique of telling a story in signs can be used. Think of it! All those middle class white and pink collar workers going to their desk computers to look up what they saw on the freeway. Then they tell their co-workers, lunch pals, and email other people. Networking!
http://www.freewayblogger.com/

But what message on the banners?

3) Most people think history started with 9/11 and that is the IN.
We coordinate the SAME MESSAGE every week so it has time to take, sink in and spread, just like Time or Newsweek magazine.

SO.

The first bannering message must blow minds so they stay interested in checking out next week's banner:

"GOOGLE THIS: OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR"

When people see that the cover story for 9/11 is complete bullshit, they will question the White House response with the so-called 'war on terror.'
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

Having gotten an ice pick through the piled on bullshit, now we can tell them what the PNAC is and what it is up to, global empire.

Maybe the second week:
"GOOGLE THIS: PEAK OIL." (Demand for oil is outstripping supply)

Third week:
"GOOGLE THIS: PNAC" (Neo-con thinktank that calls for world conquest)

Fourth Week:
"GOOGLE THIS: PRESCOTT BUSH, HITLER" (Bush+ US Corps. built Hitler)

Fifth week:
"GOOGLE THIS: OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD" (CIA has controlled the media and used psy-ops on the American public)

XXX week:
The names of whistleblowers like John Oneill, Karen Kwiatkowski, Sibel Edmunds, Coleen Rowley, Joseph Wilson, Ray McGovern, Genl. Anthony Zinni, David Kelly, etc. etc.
--------------------

Well, is this a plan?

[billie_]

17. i am fucking sick of compromise and the last straw was when Kerry just

conceded....WTF???!!!!!....this is bigger than Kerry or Bush this is about democracy which is slipping to despotism....it all started when we allowed the theft in 2000....i am sick of putting my power in the hands of representatives that Don't represent me...democracy or anything i thought we all believed it

we need to take this country back it belongs to

WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!when they fail to actually represent us, why do we just roll over and accept it....you know, the revolution begins when we do NOTHING....when we stop driving their buses, teaching in their schools, cooking their meals, fighting their wars....making the machine run....we are the machine....we are the power!

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY

and they have to realize, if they don't represent us and do their jobs, we shut the place down....

Bu$h is a criminal....when he went to Canada, they should have arrested him

we need to realize our power and take our country back....with a bloodless revolution....

refuse to pick their cotton...shut this nation down, make them responsible for what they have done!


angry rant over, i just hate this feeling of powerlessness that is us giving our power away...

[Beam Me Up]

24. You really think the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is going to take a stand??

I think the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has shown its true colors with this past STOLEN election and its total acquiescence to it.

Great Post -- just ain't gona be no "Democrat" no mo.

Green maybe? American Revolutionary Party maybe?

[Tyler Durden]

28. You want my honest opinion?

I truly think that for the shit to hit the fan, all you have to do is NOTHING.

I am advocating action because I like to believe that there is still time to avoid the coming CRASH and ensuing DEPRESSION, but I truly think it's unavoidable now.

And when THAT happens, all bets are off for rePukes, DINOS, and other political enemies. You have to have a boom to be an elitist: when EATING is your first priority, then the rest seems to fade into obscurity.

[billie_]

32. did you read what i wrote Tyler...when we do NOTHING...

we become the revolution...

[billie_]

34. F most of the democrats....

we need to have the good dems, break off from the wimps, since the mainstream of the dems has been useless ....fuck that getting f'd in the a....i am sick of that...we need people who will demand accountability and will have us in the streets dissenting and protesting while they represent us like they are supposed too!


Byrd did some cool stuff
Wellstone was awesome
I like Dean
Kucinch
Waters....Hastings...Jackson Lee....Wexler,come to mind....

but we need them to say NO...and call a spade a spade.....

this war is illegal, Bu$h is in violation of international law....we have more than enough info regarding this last *election* (more than the Ukraine did) to DEMAND that they look into before anyone can be President....period...

[billie_]

35. oh & tim ryan was cool when he made that speech on the floor saying

why we don't believe Bu$h about the draft!

[Q]

33. Great stuff from you and Matcom...

...but many of us have been saying this for YEARS. It's something that should have been done four years ago.

And once again I ask that Liberals/Progressives not be discouraged by the conservatives in the party that would like to keep things the way they are. Tell them to join the effort or 'move on'.

---------------------------------------------------


Published on Friday, March 7, 2003 by NOW with Bill Moyers

Where are the Democrats?

by Bill Moyers

There was news a report in Washington this week about how Democrats and Republicans in Congress conspired to close down the investigation of an alleged abuse of power by a leading member of the House. Now we'll never know the truth of the matter. The story reminded me of a conversation I had many years ago with a constitutional scholar who said the most important function of one political party is to keep the other party honest. "No party investigates itself," he said, "so the public safety depends on each party shining the spotlight of scrutiny on the shenanigans of the other."

Once upon a time, this happened quite often. Both parties could be counted on to mock the deceit, hypocrisy, and pretensions of the opposition, while they cloaked their own vices in the warm pieties of patriotism and altruism. They also challenged one another's belief systems with the two-fisted ferocity of street brawlers. Such spirited partisanship wasn't a pretty sight for children, but it offered choices, got the public's attention, and aroused a robust and sometimes ribald participation in democracy. Politics mattered.

Things have changed. Republicans still love a good brawl - they could appreciate the movie the Gangs of New York. Because they will claw, scratch, jam their knee to your groin and land an uppercut to the jaw after the bell has rung - and if they don't finish the job their partisan press will do it for them: Rush Limbaugh and the Darth Vaders of talk radio; the pamphleteers at the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and a host of publications aided by big business.

But where are the Democrats? As the Republicans were coming back from the wilderness - lean, mean and hungry - Democrats were busy assimilating their opponents' belief system. In no small part because they coveted the same corporate money, Democrats practically walked away from the politics of struggle, leaving millions of working people with no one to fight for them. We see the consequences all around us in what a friend of mine calls "a suffocating consensus." Even as poverty spreads, inequality grows, and our quality of life diminishes, Democrats have become the doves of class warfare.

Then there's the other war that's about to happen. Whether you are for or against it, invading Iraq is a reckless diversion of resources and a huge distraction from what ails us. But Democrats signed a blank check over to the President last fall because their leaders wanted "to move on to more important things," namely the mid-term elections, which they lost anyway.

Now Democrats in Congress are so deeply divided and impotent that Ralph Nader is thinking of running again. Maybe third parties will eventually invigorate politics. But what I wouldn't give for a revival of that old-time religion, when both major parties locked horns with the devil - that is, with each other. An Irishman once asked - "is this a private fight or can anyone get in it?"- Well Democrats could answer that by crawling back in the ring, and duking it out. Who knows? They might even save the Republicans from themselves.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0307-05.htm

[billie_]

36. Moyers is great....i gotta shower & get ready for work....will read from

there, thanks for the article.

billie

[Tyler Durden]

37. As David Bowie said:

"This ain't Rock 'n' Roll, This is GENOCIDE!"

Revolution is in the air, some people just have a cold and can't smell the smoke.

Thanks billie, thanks Q.

[Beam Me Up]

43. ** You say you wana Re-vo-Lution -- Well, ya know . . .

We'd all love to see The Plan.

So far as I can tell, the SYSTEM no longer works. It may be that it never DID work, we just didn't know it. The "system" is now the national security state.

The problem is our future isn't going to be anything like our past; this ain't gona be like the SIXTIES, no way no how. If anything the powers that be would LOVE IT if the "left" (so called) would give them some JUSTIFICATION for the use of force against them. They would have already created a situation to justify it IF THEY THOUGHT WE WERE ANY REAL THREAT TO THEIR POWER. The fact they haven't, to me, is testimony that the "left" is utterly powerless to DO anything.

Do you understand that THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE POLICE STATE IS ALREADY IN PLACE? Over and over I've heard people on this board mention how to cook frogs--turn the heat up slowly. But this is just the reverse. What is happening around us is a gradual cooling down, a gradual FREEZE on everything we might think of as "freedom." It is happening so slowly people don't see it, but it is happening.

You say, "Revolution is in the air," and I say you must be out of your mind -- or living in an alternate reality from the one I see. Ain't gona happen. That's not to say shit isn't going to hit the fan -- most certainly that is coming and probably far faster than any of us WANT to know. But, a REAL revolution where the people regain control of their destiny? I want some of what you're toking.

[billie_]

44. i fear you may be spot on! :( n/t

[H2O Man]

46. At this point, I'd hope

the would-be Mao's ARE smoking something good, because then they are likely laughing almost as hard at their rantings as I am. But I'm afraid they are much more likely to be drinking something, and that this militant talk will lead to either a good night's sleep, or at most a disorderly conduct ticket.

[Tyler Durden]

47. Most Revolutions just "HAPPEN"

Abbie Hoffman once said that New York City is two meals and a power failure away from a revolution at any time. That may be stretching it, but add 30% unemployment, double-digit inflation, martial law and 100 million guns in private hands....

BOOM.

[Beam Me Up]

48. Which may be why most "revolutions" aren't truly revolutionary.

"30% unemployment, double-digit inflation, martial law and 100 million guns in private hands...." may lead to a social catastrophe, but that may not lead to a revolution. In fact, when situations get that desperate, it could just as well lead to the very opposite of what you are dreaming about: A full blown Fascist dictatorship. THAT is what the powers that be are planning for and so far as I can tell, that is precisely what they want.

As stated, the infrastructure is already in place.

Now the question that we OUGHT to be asking is: WHAT WOULD A GENUINE REVOLUTION LOOK LIKE IN A POST HYDROCARBON WORLD?

In the mean time, you might enjoy reading this: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120604_material_accumulation.shtml">The Material Basis of Accumulation By Stan Goff.

[H2O Man]

51. Abbie Hoffman was a

cultural revolutionary. He had big balls: when shit went out of control -- and it was ALWAYS because of police in uniforms, or police disguised as hippies & yippies -- Abbie took his lumps. But make no mistake, he was about theater, not violence.

A lot of the time, Abbie was about partying and frolicking and enjoying life. The main threat he posed to the establishment was that he would convince large numbers of young men to smoke pot and laugh at the uptight men with crew-cuts who demanded they carry guns and shoot people.

The more mature Abbie was, of course, Barry Freed, who worked on environmental issues and was on live tv on stage with Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Using Abbie Hoffman to support some of your proposals is sad.

Malcolm X used to talk about guns, and I remember him saying that a powder keg could never blow up by itself -- it took a fuse. Malcolm also talked frankly about revolution. And he made clear that if you had a brain, you would not be so foolish as to talk loosely about revolution. Malcolm said that people who spout off about revolution should keep their foolish mouthes closed. Read Malcolm X Speaks.

[Tyler Durden]

56. I read it and you're missing the point.

I am a Father and Husband. Do you think in your wildest delusions that I am looking forward to the "economic perfect storm?" Even though I am and always have been a Socialist, I abhor violence, and consider it the last resort of the incompetent.

That said, I used Hoffman to show a concept that I lived through in the Detroit riot of 1967, not to justify violence. But not believing in it won't stop it. Every nation that practices elitism and repression eventually forces its populace to "storm the Bastille." I say, if the ruling class behaves like Romanovs long enough, somebody will invent Bolshevics, stand them up against a wall, shoot them, and throw their bodies down the nearest well; all without any of the ruling class having the slightest clue why it's happening.

I never said this was a "GOOD THING" to be desired and encouraged, just that it would happen eventually.

[billie_]

45. he also said...I'm afraid of Americans, I'm afraid of the world...n/t

[indigobusiness]

52. A legitimate voice and a legitimate dialog

would go a long way in waking this country up. It's all noise.

[H2O Man]

53. Oh, sure!

Don't expect you'll be invited to the remake of Lord of the Flies!

[indigobusiness]

54. May I have a word with you?

http://www.nailmaster.ru/fuck.html