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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:39 PM
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Christians: How do you feel about sex?
What is your philosophy on it? Do you think that pre-marital sex is morally wrong? I am just asking so I can juxtapose with the right wing veiwpoint on it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:44 PM
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1. I like sex
and I'm a Christian. I think most chritians do engage in pre-marital sex, but I do believe in monogomy and being faithful to one partner which probably most people do. I also believe in birth control. Finally I'm a pro-choice Catholic, so there we go. So as you can see I don't buy everything the church sells.
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:48 PM
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2. My family is Roman Catholic
and very, very liberal, however, they do not believe in pre-marital sex. I have lived with my boyfried for 6 years and my brother (who is 35) has been with his girlfriend for 4. To this day (including this x-mas) we are NOT allowed to sleep in the same bed with our SO at my parents home. I don't have a big problem with this as they are older and very set in their ways, but it is silly.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:16 PM
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17. My dad who was Roman Catholic was the same way.
He's been dead awhile, but when my husband and I would stay over his house we would stay in the same room but when my brother, who is older than me wanted to have a girlfriend stay over, my dad said no. He would ask my dad why, can my little sister have her man stay over in the same room and I can't have my woman in the same room? My dad would say because that man is her husband and your woman isn't your wife. I engaged in premarital sex. My dad would say why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free and I would say why buy a pair of shoes before you try them on for size. The man who is my husband still married me. When we were getting married the first thing my dad asked was " How pregnant are you" I said just a little and the child will be born in a couple of years". lol. I was on BC, and he knew it because they fell out of my purse and he yelled at me because I was raised Catholic. I told him I don't personally believe in abortion, so that's why I take BC. I also told him that I am personally pro life. but pro choice as a matter of letting women make their own decisions. I understand where Kerry was coming from. I have a live and mind your own business attitude. The older I've got the more left I seem to move. My husband the agnostic is more liberal than I am. I think his leftness has rubbed off after twenty three years. I think my faith has rubbed off on him, he used to be a atheist. He still sometimes rolls his eyes at me but he does listen to what I have to say first. I don't believe in forced conversion, nagging, or relentless preaching. Let people look into their own heart. I'm almost positive the fundies hate people like me.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:54 PM
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3. Mmm... sex...
:9
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:57 PM
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4. 's OK with me!....................
........responsible adults can do what they want......

"Marriage" wasn't the church's affair until fairly recently.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:54 PM
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11. yeah, but how do you feel about sex
when it's with someone else? :-)
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:57 PM
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5. sex with who?
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:16 PM
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6. As a Christian
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:19 PM by Carson
who is not Roman Catholic, I do believe pre-marital sex is morally wrong, but few live up to that biblical standard. I also support birth control.

Sex is not dirty or inherently sinful. It is a gift from God.

On edit, I'll mention something you did not: I also don't believe in divorce except on the grounds of adultery.

*Now* everyone can flame away. ;-)
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:00 PM
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24. So a woman who wants to get away from a guy...
who beats the crap out of her and the kids is just shit out of luck in your book? I mean, if he's not screwing around on her and all?

:eyes:
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:53 PM
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66. did she say that? I don't think so
She said she doesn't believe in it - she didn't say she would try to stop a women from leaving an abusive husband.

The bigoty on this board is rather shocking to be honest.
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:39 PM
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69. Of course not! A woman may leave her husband, and should, in cases
of abuse. However, if one goes by the biblical standard, adultery is the only acceptable reason for an actual divorce.

The wife may choose to live apart from her husband, or vice versa.

In such cases, it has been my experience that when the woman leaves, the man ends up messing around anyway. Then she can have a scriptual divorce.

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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:17 PM
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25. Only on grounds of adultry???? WTF
How about if the partner engages in brutal beatings, theft, child molestation, sex with animals, and murder?

Wake up Elmo, there's a big world out here, and its best lived in by adults.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:40 PM
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48. Wouldn't child molestation and sex with animals count as adultery?
I could see sex with animals not counting as adultery, but molestation would definitely break that rule.

Adultery only divorce does seem extreme though.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:05 PM
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51. Child molestation is not adultery by any stretch of the imagination
For one thing, it is a felony, adultery is not illegal. It does not necessarily involve sex, and is not a consensual relationship which adultery implies.

Adultery only divorce is a simple minded solution for simpletons. Adult relationships are too complex for someone who can think so narrowly. Binding relationships through laws, whether they be enforced by the government or church dogma is only suitable for people that cannot live in freedom or in contemplative thought. People should be free to bind themselves with these chains, but they should be kept far away from positions of power to enforce their inability to live intelligently and freely on other people.
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:59 PM
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50. I'm also a Christian and totaly agree.
In todays culture it is hard to live up to Biblical standerd on the issue.

But as you said,sex itself is a gift from God and was not ment to be sinful or "cheap" or "corse".
We make it that (sometimes) with porn and using it with to many partners (sex for the sake of sex).
IMO the Bible teaches it was ment as an expression of love and commitment and comfort for people in a married (lifelong) commitment.
Also of course, for pro-creation of children.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:11 PM
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52. Sex is a biological function like eating, drinking, dispelling waste,
etc.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:39 PM
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54. As I said in my previous post
I would not have married anyone who had lots of casual sex, thought that it was perfectly alright, and just saw me as another piece of a**. Those other biological functions do not include other people. When you have sex with another person, you have to consider them and their feelings as well.
I do think that there are other reasons to divorce besides adultery from your partner nor I do think that you are married to the first person who you had sex with. I do not think that sexual sins are any worse than other sins aside from consequences that could result. I think that a lot of young people suffer enough from their sexual mistakes without being put on a major guilt trip. I do not think that sex within a committed relationship is a sin, especially if there are reasons that the couple cannot be officially married at the time. In the past, marriage and courtship, or lack thereof, was much different.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:51 PM
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64. So sex is a sin to you if the partners aren't committed
I'm too old to play games with that all relationship crap. When I want to do it, I do it, with or without commitment. I'm past childbearing, marriage and all that nonsense.

Call me a sinner and a christian like all the rest of the rest of you christian sinners.

Greed, gluttony, or lust which is worse and which is better.
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:52 PM
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65. sex like dispelling waste? What an "attractive" concept.
You make it sound no better than taking a crap.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:03 AM
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71. You could have chosen the oral side of this instead of the anal
think about it!
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:23 PM
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53. So I would not have been able to divorce my frigid ex husband
Who threatened to beat me?
The moron who would sit in the family room watching snuff films and replaying the parts where the woman is being murdered but sounds like she is having an orgasm...playing it over and over again????
You chill me to the bone.
Guess what...he is on the prowl again. He wants someone to clean his house and take care of him.
I left him 19 years ago and he has been single ever since.
Luckily, I got out with my life.
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:47 PM
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70. I am sorry for your situation and happy that you were able to survive it
but the OP asked for opinions based on religion, and I gave mine. Leaving a husband or wife does not always mean divorce.

My opinion was based on the bible. Matthew 19:9 says "Whosever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery."

My faith is based on the bible and this is where my opinion comes from.

I certainly did not mean to offend anyone.
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FlatJack Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 02:17 PM
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74. sex and sin
Is premarital sex sinful? I am not sure if this is outlined in the Bible as such or if that's even important.

I read the "biblical standard" being lived up to or not being lived up to here a couple of times.

As a Christian, Christ has died for your sins.

As a human born to this Earth you are in sin, you are an imperfect bag of flesh and sin.

You are not required as a Christian to live up to the "Biblical standard" if you interpret living sin free as the Biblical standard. All are sinners, so you cannot live sin free, you were born with sin. As a Christian all you have to do is believe that Christ died for your sins and rose again and now lives eternally.

However, as a Christian who does indeed have the faith and lets the love of God into your heart you will be possessed to live as God would have you live. Many decisions must be made and human weaknesses will sometimes prevail. It's life. God does not discriminate your sins, he loves you and forgives them.

So, it really doesn't matter if you've had pre-marital sex. I know of no affront to God this commits if it's done from love and compassion. Sex within the marriage could be a sin if its done for manipulation and/or violence. The beauty of Christianity is that it's not about "Ten Commandments" you must live by. It's about living with the spirit of the Lord in your heart.

I am a Christian who enjoys sex with his wife.

Homosexuality might be a sin, I really don't know this for sure. But it really doesn't matter. All this focus on sin really isn't the point of Christianity. All are sinners, so it's simple, we as mortals are relieved of the burden of pointing our fingers at the sinful, we are relieved of judgment. I do not judge my fellow man for there can only be one judge.

I can say this, if Homosexuality is a sin, God doesn't look at the homosexual any differently than any other sinner. God only cares if we accept him.

The word SIN simply means to miss the point. It's only our modern interpretation that says that it has to mean sin is some direct tie to EVIL or that it means something destructive. Sex is not a sin, it is as said above a "gift" from God. I don't see how homosexuality is a sin necessarily. I suppose someone can find something in the Bible that might bring about this interpretation. But my question would be is that the new or old testament. The old testament can be thrown out the window since the birth of Jesus Christ. It's meanings, while not irrelevant, are revolutionized since the life of Christ. He has taught us since that "point" of God is a personal relationship with him, through Jesus Christ... that's the point of Christianity.

All this gloss of the book of revelations, pointing fingers at "SINNERS", shooting abortion doctors, helping old Lady's across the street: this is all other stuff, it's not the main point of Christianity.

whew, what a rant.

sorry.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:32 PM
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7. I waited until I was married.
And I'm not going to tell you how old I was by that time because somebody will laugh at me. I don't regret my choice at all. I think there are a lot of reasons besides "morally wrong" to wait, and I would encourage any young person to seriously consider them.

However, I am realistic enough to know that most people will not make the choice I made and they should have complete knowledge of, and access to, all methods of preventing unwanted pregnancies and STDs.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:45 PM
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8. It's completely unrealistic to be against pre-marital sex. BUT--
As a single parent, I see tremendous value in a child having two parents--which is related to sex in the obvious way.

I think casual sex is more of an issue than other (relationship) pre-marital sex. And I do think that casual sex devalues the sex act (whether that's important or not, dunno).

Is pre-marital sex wrong? I don't know.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:46 PM
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44. I think casual sex devalues sex
I don't know if I could have married someone who had casual sex a lot in the past and thought that it was perfectly alright. I think that sex is too important to think of someone just as a body for temporary pleasure. I wouldn't have wanted to be just another piece of a**.
I think that it is good to wait unti one is in a committed relationship before having sex. I don't think that official marriage is necessary because there may be many outside reasons for not marrying sooner and maybe not at all.
I think that in our current age it is much harder for people to wait. The time between sexual maturity and marriage is often a long time. With the faliure of many marriages, I don't think that we should rush young people into marriage either as does happen in some Fundamentalist areas.
I think that it also bad to focus too much on virginity. There are a lot of young people who were raped or coerced into sex by an adult when at a young age. Even if they weren't, this all or nothing attitude just leads to lots of guilt and/or promiscuity.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:49 PM
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9. It's all hypocrisy.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:49 PM by renaissanceguy
My biologival father is one of those right-wing nuts who loves George Bush and belongs to a radical church that pickets gays. He disowned me because of my "immorality," my sexual orientation, and whenever he would talk to me, he would go on and on about the Bible and how I need church.

Well, a few months ago he knocked up someone half his age. And because he's "pro-life," they're keeping it. When I pointed out his hypocrisy (on morality), he claimed that this is what "God wanted" for him.

It goes to show you that with regard to right-wingers, the rules apply to everyone BUT themselves. They are no better than the rest of us, but their actions certainly do not coincide with their behavior. I'll guarantee that if one of W's daughters got knocked up, he'd have the fetus aborted and say it was OK.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:53 PM
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10. Woody Allen said that
while sex without love is an empty meaningless experience, as empty meaningless experiences go, it's one of the best.

Levity aside, as a Christian I believe that sex should only happen in the context of marriage (and I believe that permanent, committed, monogamous same-sex relationships count as marriage). I myself have chosen celibacy (chastity) until I am married. There are good spiritual reasons for such a choice -- but there are very good medical reasons for such a choice: there is a lot of sexually-transmitted disease out there.

It's even more daunting for me: I'm gay. I do not believe "safer sex" is really that safe. It might be a lie that condoms fail 31% of the time -- but 3% of the time is still way too high for comfort. Safer sex makes some sense from an epidemiological point-of-view; if everyone did it, HIV would gradually burn out. But it isn't very reliable on case-by-case basis.
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ixat Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:56 PM
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12. When I was Christian, I used to be totally anti-sex.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:58 PM
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31. Not me. I'll take as much as I can get. What was your problem back then?
Seriously, were you raised Baptist or A.C?
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ixat Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:19 AM
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72. Um, no, I was more or less non-denominational. My parents weren't
Bible-quoting fanatics, I was just raised with the general idea that sex was icky, gays were evil, etc etc.
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:59 PM
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13. It's fun! Why do you need to be married? Need I say more?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:02 PM
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14. I firmly believe
in the Gospel of Love. Sex is a good thing. As long as it is consenting adults, it's no one's business. Young adults have had sex for as long as there have been young adults. Basic rules, such as respect others and do not use people, need to be up-dated to include use protection to avoid diseases, and don't get pregnant if you don't want to become parents.

I am religious, and think that everything is sacred. Sex is a little different than dining, but if one is treated as religious in nature, the other should also. In fact, I'm more likely to pray before a meal.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:06 PM
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15. Sex is great............
for me it really is much better with someone I love. I don't think pre-marital sex is a sin, maybe not always smart due to chances of getting pregnant or a disease. I think people create false emotional intimacy when they start sleeping with someone they do not have a commitment to. I think they find great sexual chemistry and all of a sudden they have "A RELATIONSHIP". I think this causes people to form bad relationships. So I don't think it's such a bad idea to make the commitment first and then have sex after you are sure this is the person you want to be with forever or at least a long time.

I think people give themselves away too cheap when it becomes all about mechanics and I don't think most people like to admit it.

There are also exceptions to that. I think there are times that you might have sex with a friend, say after a great emotional crisis or a community disaster. People turn to each other to reasure themselves they are still alive. That can be very theraputic and spiritually reafirming.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:13 PM
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16. At what point in our evolutionary history
did sex and marriage become linked? We talk as if pre-marital sex is a new concept, born of the sexual revolution (pun intended :)). I think that marriage and the nuclear family are the newer social constructs and reflect different societies' attempts to provide humanity its greatest chance for survival. Maybe these social constructs haven't kept up with our development as a species. When lifespans were shorter, marriage/partnerships occurred earlier (puberty/childbearing ability) and did not last nearly as long as they may now.

That being said, I am for committed relationships of any kind as giving us the best chance for community and intimacy. If sex is involved, cool beans.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:19 PM
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18. It's linked now?
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:04 PM by DrWeird
Half of marriages end in divorce. Even during marraige some half of all spouses end up having affairs.

That about mirrors fidelity rates among animals that form monogamous relationships. Geese, for example.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:29 PM
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19. Tenuously linked? The divorce/adultery rates definitely
underscore the idea that the marriage/sex link probably doesn't work at this stage in our development. That doesn't mean that committed, loving relationships aren't a good thing. Just a broader view to think about.

Another thing I take issue with is that the term "pre-marital sex" precludes any sex that's not heterosexual, in our present state of discrimination against glbt marriage. If you must/should wait until marriage, the glbt folks are excluded from the discussion. But, I suppose that's what the rw wants. NO SEX unless we say it's ok :(
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:39 PM
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20. I'm all for it..
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:03 PM by nini
I wouldn't go out and screw anything I can get my hands on, but if I want to share that with someone I care about there is no guilt there for me.

I think it's worse to be in a bad marriage and putting out to someone who does not treat me right etc.. than to be with a man I am not married to yet treats me right.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:45 PM
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21. It depends
I guess I have a realist philosophy and an idealist philosophy. The realist is, whatever, be safe and responsible.

The idealist is, sex=babies. The best contraceptive is 99%, which actually translates into alot of unexpected babies. So, if you're planning to have sex, you should ask yourself whether you're prepared for a baby. Whether the person is someone you would want to be attached to for the rest of your life, because that's what happens when you have a baby, married or not. In that context, sex is best between two committed people. And it seems people function better in committed relationships anyway.

Then again, there's always the person who doesn't do well in relationships, which takes me back to my realist position. Be safe and responsible.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:47 PM
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22. When it comes to my kids, I hope they will wait if only to avoid
AIDS contraction, but I will not tell them it is a sin or evil, and I will let them keep condoms around for just in case. (Hubby is adamant that this is the wrong thing to do. Despite knowing that _we_ didn't manage to wait.)

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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:00 PM
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32. As long as they're not too casual about it. Wait for someone who...
really cares about you. Then whoop it up, but be safe.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:48 PM
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23. One of God's greatest gifts
Other than food, of course.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:32 PM
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26. I think promiscuity is wrong, but not necessarily because I am a christian
Sleeping around with multiple partners ends up hurting people. It's playing with people's emotions.

My religious beliefs don't really reflect on my opinions about sex. My opinions about sexual relationships are based on human nature and years of observing my parents' marriage gone wrong. I don't care if a person I know is gay or straight, what I care about is that they are involved in relationships based on love and respect. How they have sex is never my business, unless they are doing it in front of my house.

I know I'll get flamed for this, and it's not based on religion. I think bi-sexuals over the age of say 30 are just afraid to make a commitment. They just want the best of both worlds (to have their cake and eat it to?). They should be over their identity search by that age, according to Erikson.

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:14 PM
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38. Huh, what?
Sorry, off-topic to the main thread, but...


Not a flame - I just don't understand your last point. Being bi-sexual is not an "identity search" -- it IS an identity (or part of one, anyhow).

I'm over 30, and still bi like I always have been; why would it change? What it means is that I'm capable of romantically/erotically being attracted to either a man or a woman. Though I lean strongly towards men, the capacity of loving a woman that way is still there and ain't going away any time soon. It's not indecision. It never had anything to do with decisions. Which individuals I get involved with and get committed to, that's the decision. The attraction is emotional/physiological, and not a thought process as such--and certainly not necessarily action either.

Bisexuality is no more a "question" that hetero- or homosexuality is. It might indeed fluctuate over a lifetime (as any orientation can) in some people, and not one bit in others.
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recoveringrepublican Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:45 PM
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27. I like sex, I do think pre-marital sex is wrong, but guess what
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:47 PM by recoveringrepublican
I had it! In fact I believe that I am in a constant state of sin in this regard, since I believe the first person one has sex with is the person they are married to in the eyes of God (I believe ceremonies mean nothing). I'm not married to the first person I had sex with in fact my husband (at least in the eyes of American law) is a divorced man, who surely wasn't a virgin when we got married. However this is nobody's business but mine and Christ's. I am the only one who will have to answer for this, so everyone else can kiss my ass and start worrying about what they will have to answer for.

Ask repukes how they will answer Christ when asked why they failed to help stop (or at least minimize) the killing an maiming of His children so the rich white man could make a bigger buck, with something as simple as a vote, with something as simple as a letter, with something as simple as taking to the streets demanding that all God's children be spared. Ask them if being able to basically force their JUDGMENT (not a good thing according to Christ, this is His job only) is worth our soldiers lives (I would say Iraqis' also, but have yet to meet a repuke who cares)? Ask them why it's ok to force people to live a certain way (this is not helping to bring people to Christ), yet turn one's head when it comes to the ridiculous amount of greed in the country.

Sorry to go off on a rant.


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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:45 PM
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28. I think sex,
much like religion, politics, marriage and many other abstractions, can be a force for good or a weapon & tool for manipulation.

I make choices regarding my own sexual expression that I believe shun the weaponry and manipulation aspects of sexuality.

I suspect deeply that God is much less concerned with our honest, loving sexual expression than with our tendency to exploit and do harm to one another.

Judgements about whether a thing is right or wrong, whether other individuals are cruel or kind, correct or immoral are specifically not within my scope of ability, nor should I be thinking my relationship with God, gives me special license to make them. That is for God's "To Do" list, and He/She/It has far better access to the relevant information necessary to the job.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:48 PM
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29. It's exactly the same as pizza
When it's good, it's great...when it's bad, it's still pretty damn good.
:evilgrin:
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:54 PM
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30. sex good, premarital sex - required
I just don't get why someone would marry someone they've never had sex with.

JMO.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:14 PM
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33. Good
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 04:17 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
in a committed relationship. It just doesn't work for me otherwise. (I've tried to fool myself, but in the end, I need the emotional attachment as well.)

I don't believe in adultery or sleeping with someone else's s.o. (not even when it's very, very tempting :-( ) or just having sex for the sake of having sex, especially when it involves deceiving another person into thinking that you care about them when you really don't.

I'm also uneasy with the idea of becoming a single parents on purpose, not because I think it's immoral or because I think that single parents do a bad job, but because parenthood is hard enough that you want to have two adults on the team if at all possible.

I believe that some people are born gay or bisexual and have just as much right to live openly in a committed relationship as heterosexuals do.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:36 PM
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34. Talking about it is the least interesting thing to do with sex n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:40 PM
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35. Yes
Thank you.

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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:43 PM
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36. Sex is a private issue and should stay that way.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:09 PM
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37. Sex outside of marriage is immoral.
That's why it feels so damn good! :evilgrin:

But seriously...I'm not a Christian (but I used to be...catholic). Even when I was a believer, I never had a problem with pre-marital sex (even though most of my friends did). I just never saw the big deal with consensually sharing your body with someone else.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:20 PM
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39. Sex good, premarital sex good, extramarital sex bad.
Same as most people.
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teenagebambam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:32 PM
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42. Couldn't agree more.
Of course, I'm gay, so pre-marital sex is ALL I can have, at least for the time being.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:58 PM
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67. Well, be careful but don't feel guilty!
:D
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:28 PM
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40. I give sex two thumbs up!
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 05:28 PM by Fescue4u
Highly recommended.
The feel good event of a lifetime.
If you only do one thing this year, make it sex.

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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:50 PM
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43. LOL -- A Tour de Foreplay, on Every On Top Ten List This Year!
Sorry, just wanted to join in...
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:49 PM
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45. "on Every On Top Ten List This Year!"
It's also on the Top Ten of a number of bottom's too!
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:54 PM
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57. Two thumbs WAY UP!
Aye caramba!
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:29 PM
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41. I give it five stars
It's got a good beat and I can dance to it. ;)
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Abelman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:00 PM
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46. Good
I enjoy sex. I must say intimate sex with someone you care about is much better than casual one-night stand. I'm done with those, thank goodness I've not had many.

I don't really thing God is as concerned about what happens in your bedroom when there are people starving and homeless.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:32 PM
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47. Is that an offer?
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:41 PM
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49. Sex is good...
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:50 PM
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55. I love it!
Its healthy. Its fun. It is the most powerful force in the human psyche so handle with respect.

In general, I think one is OK so long as one conducts his or her sex life with honesty.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:53 PM
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56. It's all fine and good til someone get's an eye poked out.
Some agnostic humor for all Christians responding to this post.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:12 PM
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58. I think pre-marital sex is wrong, but not necessarily a sin...
There are far greater things to worry about, but I am nonetheless disgusted with the hedonist campus culture. I'm a 22 year old virgin and it was never a big deal for me to turn down the advances of women--I just think there's something beautiful about saving oneself for the person you're going to grow old with. My politics are far to the left, but my sensibilities are, for lack of a better word, quite traditional.

With that said, I think the oft-mentioned abstinence-only program is misguided and ultimately detrimental to young adults.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:42 PM
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61. I respect your decision BUT do not agree...
I'm older enough to be your mother. I waited until marraige and we were not sexually compatible. You know your own sex drive. Sex for me is as important as food. My husband and I were never going to be compatible. It would be a shame to wait ,fall in love and not be sexually fulfilled. Love and lust are TWO different things and the twain does not always meet.

For all the Christians whom believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin, I have a question. With a 50% divorse rate do you actualy believe that an adult in their 30-50's is going to wait for the 2nd marriage before resuming sex?
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:05 PM
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68. I understand, and this is why I'm not preoccupied with this issue
The sex drive is part and parcel of what makes us human. I'm not a zealot--my qualms are with the aforementioned campus culture that extols casual sex, lauding the transmogrification of something beautiful into something that's loveless, ritualistic. Primeval as it may sound, I feel this practice to be destructive to the spirit, and I'll have no part in it.

Still, with the specters of poverty, racism and militarism running rampant, I think it's a bit silly to use sexuality as a gauge for morality.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:24 PM
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59. crime data says the more perverted the better for that crowd.
air force academy heterosxual christians anyone?

Msongs
Riverside Ca

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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:28 PM
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60. Sex is good
I used to be a Catholic, but I retired from the church. I'm a Methodist now.

Nonetheless, I think sex is healthy and is neither immoral or a sin, whether the two people are married or not.

The church tends to conveniently forget that Jesus never married, yet it is obvious that Mary Magdalene meant more to him than your average apostle. The fact that the early church suppressed the Gospel of Mary is testament to this and the need of early church leaders to keep women in their place.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:48 PM
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62. I know some things about the bible, but could you enlighten me...
...on the Gospel of Mary?
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:40 PM
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73. The Gospel of Mary
is a Gnostic text believed to have been written in the second century. I think the primary criterion used by the people who set the canon was to select those books believed to have been written by the apostles or their immediate followers; these decisions were made in the fourth century based on tradition and the texts themselves. (E.g., the Gospel of Mark was believed to have been written by a follower of Saint Peter.) Apparently, the Gospel of Mary didn't make the cut.

Here's a link: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:51 PM
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63. I love sex!
And I am not sure what my position on sex has to do with my Christianity. But since you asked...
While I didn't wait for marriage to have sex, I did wait until I found someone I really loved so that the sex would be an act of love.
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marc_the_dem Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 02:34 PM
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75. Biblical Paradigm
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 02:35 PM by marc_the_dem
The bottom line is that sex is good... Yes, I too am a Roman Catholic, well not really roman, American born Cuban actually. Either way, living by a biblical standard that has not worked since the begining of time is silly. If you're not hurting anyone and you have a good heart, Jesus loves you... Everything else is horse crap.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:10 PM
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76. Something that makes you look so goofy
has GOTTA be fun!
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