Bwuahah! We pissed of a right wing fundie substitute teacher today!

[Massacure]

Everyday we are supposed to stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance. Well half our class never stands up for it. Our teacher doesn't care, but we had a substitute today. When they went on the PA for the Pledge, she got all pissed off at how we wouldn't stand. The person who sat next to me stood up, turned his back to the flag and started singing "O Canada!" Well 1/3 of the class decided to follow up, and do the same even though only 3-4 of us knew the words. The sub got really pissed off at us, but it felt good. :D

[BrklynLiberal]

1. heh heh heh heh great class you have there!!!! n/t

[gjb]

79. O Canada! Now that's funny and brave too considering all that...

"Soviet Socialist Republic of Canukistan" crap on FR.

It almost makes me feel proud to be Canadian. But as we all know there is no such thing as a patriotic Canadian. Ok, maybe Don Cherry.

[gjb]

80. O and by the way, O Canada is the stupidest damn song ever written.

[hyphenate]

90. I kind of like it!

There's one flat note in it that's hard when you're trying to sing it. But it's a cool song--at least more people can sing all the notes than can really sing the Star Spangled Banner. At least the U.S. had enough common sense once upon a time to choose that instead of God Bless America. Now, there would be no doubt that GBA would be the song of choice for the right wing.

I like the French translation a little more than the English words, though.

[gjb]

93. The melody is a cure for insomnia and the lyrics are asinine and......

who ever bothered to translate it into French is an idiot because no Quebecois would sing it even with a gun to their head. Don't worry, you don't have to be nice. It really is a crappy song.

[Dr.Phool]

2. They hate us for our freedoms!!

[vptpt]

14. They hate us for our freedoms

but they love us for our doggy style.

[Demrock6]

3. Holy crap!

I didn't think things like that happened anymore. We stopped saying the Pledge in 4th grade.

[TxGran]

8. Texas

In Texas as required by state law, we must have the pledge to the US flag, the pledge to the Texas flag and a minute of silence each day.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Same here in MO

I leave out "under God" when we say it. None of my students has ever said anything. I am hoping to subliminally eliminate those words from their memories.

[Massacure]

12. Wisconsin says we have to the Pledge or Anthem between 1st and 12th grade.

[Darth_Kitten]

105. When I went to school as a youngster.....

in Manitoba, Canada, we had to say the Lord's Prayer, sing O Canada and God Save the Queen. By the time we were finished, it was recess. :)

[njdemocrat106]

44. I had to say the Pledge every day

and when I entered high school, we had to SING the National Anthem every morning, followed with the pledge.

[Neoma]

4. rofl!

thats one of the most hilarious things...ahahahaha

[alcuno]

5. Stop giving the subs a hard time!

You guys make it near to impossible for me to be out sick or to take the kids to the doctor.

BTW-I'm no right-wing fundie, but my students all stand for the pledge. This is in a city that's as liberal as they come. As for the snot singing 'O Canada,' he would be wishing he was there when I finished with him. Be good!

[Massacure]

6. lol our class is tame compared to the others

We did all our work, we just didn't do the Pledge. :P

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Doesn't sound too tame to me

I have been teaching 25 years and no way would a kid start singing O Canada in MY room. Not cool. And running off a sub is really NOT COOL.

[ElectroPrincess]

84. I've been a substitute teacher in H.S. off and on for 15 years...

It's free expression and creativity. Let the kids express their true sentiments about government dictated NATIONALISM. My job is to provide guidance and information in the topic areas.

No way, the kids I had the pleasure of teaching respected me overall because dominating and "power tripping" over subordinates is NOT what teaching is about ... it's about imparting knowledge.

[villager]

7. it can't celebrate "freedom" if you're forced to stand up for it...

I'd just like to know where this class was, and how we can start electing some of those folks to public office ASAP...

[Neoma]

10. O Canada!

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[noamnety]

13. I'm a teacher

And I would have had a good chuckle about it.

Our high school was crazy about saying the pledge at every assembly for the last three years ... and this year it just kind of didn't happen. I'm not sure if it was an administration decision or what. But I'm glad it stopped, I always thought it was creepy in a communist brainwashing kind of way. (and this is coming from a veteran)

[oldcoot]

17. I am a former substitute teacher

However, I never would have forced or attempted to force any student to stand for the pledge. Some students are prohibited by their religion from saying the pledge. It is a shame that one of the students did not educate this teacher about the history of the pledge and about how the person who wrote the pledge was a socialist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. It is a law here

I don't agree with it. I wrote letters opposing it. But since it's a law, I am not going to encourage my students to ignore it. That would be irresponsible of me.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. Does such law specify sanctions for students who don't...

...stand up for the pledge? Or don't say it? Or sing "O Canada?"

[elemnopee]

59. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Schools can not require students to say the pledge.

[oldcoot]

60. Your state law is probably unconstitutional

The United States Supreme Court has ruled that government officials cannot force individuals to recite the pledge. You might find the following resources helpful.

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=16278&c=139



and

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=13317&c=139


and
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=319&invol=624

[leesa]

26. What's wrong with what that kid did? And why should they stand for

a silly pledge?

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Agreed!

I had to cancel a dentist appt today because a sub backed out on me. And I am no fundie either, but it's a law we have to say it and I don't believe in encouraging kids to not abide by a law.

[really annoyed]

36. What About Jehovah's Witnesses?

In the good old days, they got expelled AND arrested for not saying the Pledge.

http://www.elca.org/jle/articles/contemporary_issues/article.failinger_marie.html

Would you support that today? You support children going against their belief systems? Would you have a child arrested if he/she refused to say the Pledge?

People who don't believe in God should be forced to say "under God" because it is a law? So, it's OK for these children to lie?

But I assume you don't have these problems.

[lojasmo]

68. You're almost certainly mistaken, read the text of the law.

If they require the kids to say the pledge, then the law is unconstitutional.

[goddess40]

86. Are you sure - the law in WI is that it has to be done but

that no one is forced to participate. They can stay seated or leave the room.

[Piperay]

37. I thought that giving subs a hard time was a

student tradition. :D Clear back when I was in school in the late 60's early 70's the subs always got a hard time. I felt sorry for them but it just seemed like something that was done, at least by the others (I was a good kid and minded my manners). :shrug:

[JNelson6563]

39. Conform or be punished

wow.

[canadianbeaver]

52. He is not a snot.......He is wise!!!

Kids they say the darndest things don't they?

O Canada
Our home and native land
True patriot love
in all thy sons command

With glowing Hearts
we see thee rise
The true North
Strong and Free

From far and wide
O Canada
We stand on guard for thee

God Keep our land
Glorious and FREE
O Canada we stand on guard for theeeeeee
OOOOOO Canada we stand on guard for theeeeeeeeeee


OOOPS!!! and I AM CANADIAN EH?

[goddess40]

89. Maybe the sub needs to get a clue and lighten up

It sure wouldn't hurt if the districts paid them a decent wage.

I always thought that the larger districts should have a certain number of 'subs' as full time employees.

[alcuno]

92. Our subs are well paid but this is the teacher's fault.

And I do mean fault. It's up to the teacher to leave the sub with information that will help the sub smoothly run the classes.

Personally, there is no way that I would allow half the class to sit for the pledge. It's disrespectful when there is no religious rationale behind it. They don't want to? Then have a conversation about it and lead by example.

[goddess40]

98. you wouldn't ALLOW them to sit ?!?

so what if you think it's disrespectful, in WI it is up to each kid to decide what to do.

What would you do to force them to stand?

[Sequoia]

9. Blame Canda, eh?

Blame Canada
South Park Parents

Times have changed,
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents,
They just want to fart and curse. Should we blame the government, or blame society, or should we blame the images on tv No!
Blame Canada! Blame Canada

With all their beady little eyes,
their flapping heads so full of lies
Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
We need to form a full assault, it's Canada's fault! Don't blame me, for my son Stan, He saw the darn cartoon, and now he's off to
join the klan!> And my boy eric once, had my picture on his shelf, but now when I see him, he tells me to fuck myself>

Well, Blame Canada!

It seems that everything's gone wrong since
Canada came along
Blame Canada!
Blame Canada! They're not even a real country anyway. My son could of been a doctor or a lawyer, it's a true, Instead he burned up like a piggie on a barbecue> Should we blame the matches? Should we blame the fire, or the doctor who allowed him to expire. Heck no!
Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
With all their hockey hubaloo and that bitch Anne Murray too. Blame Canada!
Shame on Canada!

The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming us!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. Explain the First Amendment

to any sub who insists you say the Pledge. (If I'd been there, I would have joined you-and I would have been the teacher!)

[Downtown Hound]

15. Heheheheheheh!

Good for you guys! I had to say the pledge every day from Kindergarten through the ninth grade. It was such a pointless exercise. Anyone who thinks that this practice instills patriotism in young people is sorely mistaken. Most of the students didn't even say the words, they just stood up and did nothing while the principal read the words. No one cared, and it was always annoying. Patriotism should always be voluntary and heartfelt, not programmed into you like you are a computer. That is called indoctrination, or fascism, if you want to take it to the extreme end.

[Redleg]

21. But there is a difference between not saying the pledge and pledging

allegiance to another country of which you are not a citizen. The former is an example of civil disobediance, the latter an example of immature foolishness.

[Massacure]

23. We don't choose what country we are born in, so why be proud of it?

[Redleg]

45. You missed my point.

If you are not proud of your county, don't pledge allegiance to it. I don't have a problem with that. But why would you instead pledge allegiance to another country (Canada in this case)?

[Karenina]

49. They were simply singing, not "pledging!"

:evilgrin:

[canadianbeaver]

53. Anthem....not pledge......n/t

[masaka___]

95. It was meant to be funny.

chill.

[Redleg]

100. Was it funny to the substitute teacher?

Chill.

[Downtown Hound]

24. What you call immature foolishness

I call a quite hilarious form of political protest. It was the teacher that made a big deal about them not saying the pledge, so they responded in quite a clever way. Those kids are mighty smart in my book. If I was in school now with my country massacring innocent Iraqis by the thousands and rigging elections left and right, there's no way I would say the pledge, and in truth, I would find it quite disturbing to be forced to do so. If you don't like it, well, there's nothing I can do about that.

[Redleg]

46. Why don't the kids go one step more and just burn the US flag in class?

Hell, that's a protest. I don't have a problem with a person not standing and not pledging. The problem I do have is for pledging allegiance to another country to show how cute you are.

[Karenina]

51. ROTFLMAO!!!! To the kids who knew the lyrics...

You be ALL THAT and a BAG O' CHIPS!!! :grouphug: :loveya:

I just wish there was a picture of the sub's face! :evilgrin:

[gjb]

87. Those 4 kids who knew the lyrics outnumber Canadians who know the lyrics.

Trust me.

[Redleg]

101. I'm sure the sub was amused.

Did they actually learn anything that day?

[Forkboy]

104. I know all the lyrics

because I watch way too much hockey :)

[xultar]

16. WOW that was KICKIN!!! You guys are AWESOME SMART KIDS!

:yourock:

[Silverhair]

18. I sub frequently.

In fact I have to sub tommorrow and on Friday. We say the pledge. I say it and I am proud to say it. So far I haven't had anyone object to it, but if someone did I wouldn't make a big deal about it. I would just ask the person to remain quiet and not interfer with the others that do wish to pay that particular respect and honor to the ideals that the flags stands for.

Then, after the pledge, I would get on with the class. I rarely have problems with students trying to give me a hard time. I make an example of the first disruptive student by sending that one to the office right away with little warning. The others get the idea that they are there to work, not to party.

[alcuno]

19. Great!

The fact that the teacher just lets half the class sit for the pledge is a little disturbing. The sub was sabotaged by a teacher who should have let the sub know about that curious practice. We say the pledge everyday (I'm in 82% Kerry territory) and no one objects. If they did, I'd handle it the same way that you do.

[NoSheep]

54. Sound thoughts. Don't make a big deal about it. Get on with business.

I do applaud the student's spirit of protest, but school is not the place for it. Perhaps school is where one should discuss it.

[Redleg]

20. Ah, the innocence of youth.

What purpose does it serve to do such things?

[K-W]

27. What is the point of refusing to pledge allegiance to a flag?

I think the point is fairly self evident

[Redleg]

47. My point is that the action is fairly meaningless and trivial.

If the student refused to say the pledge under the threat of torture or permanent expulsion that would be something else entirely.

T-Shirts with political slogans, flag burning, turning one's back on the flag etc. have so little real impact on our society that they are almost trivial examples of "free speech."

Hell, we have a better chance of influencing political thought by posting here at DU.

[Djinn]

29. what purpose does the pledge serve in the first place?

to most non Americans it just looks like pointless jingoistic window dressing

[AliciaKeyedUp]

38. The pledge isn't for non-Americans

so what they think is of no consequence.

[Djinn]

42. no shit sherlock

:eyes:

seems however that many Americans think it's a pointless waste of time too - do their opinions count?

[southlandshari]

22. Brings back memories!

I was sent to the principal's office for refusing to say the pledge in high school - 20 years ago.

It wasn't a joke to me, or an attempt to piss off my teachers. I just didn't believe in pledging allegiance to a flag or to any nation or government - this was a direct result of the things I was taught about global peace and justice in the United Methodist Church growing up.

I was alone then. Good to know you were not. The singing was a little over the top, but there is one in every class, I guess....

[UpsideDownFlag]

25. what grade? nt

[chaska]

28. LOL!!! This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read on DU.

Loved it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Kids like you

make me glad I don't teach high school.

Next time that teacher is absent, I'll bet there is no sub.

[hfojvt]

57. the kids are alright

at least in this case. Seems like a harmless prank to me, besides standing up for American freedoms. The sub should lighten up.

[bush_is_wacko]

67. Adults like you...

Make me gald to have kids like this one!

[DireStrike]

35. The pledge is meaningless.

I stopped saying it as soon as it was allowed.

[LWolf]

40. Was this a political statement,

or just a chance to rattle the sub?

You never can tell.

We are required to say the pledge every morning. My administrator requires that students who do not say the pledge stand respectfully. So, as the teacher, I stand respectfully, and make sure everyone else does, too.

I don't say the pledge; for a couple of reasons.

First and foremost, I don't pledge alliegance to anything on command.

Secondly, I don't pledge alliegance to pieces of cloth, to nations, or to politics. I am just not patriotic; my alliegance is given elsewhere.

I pledge alliegance to my own sense of ethics and integrity, and to the ideas I've learned to value. Some of those can be found in our Constitution, which is what I ponder when I "stand" for the pledge.

While I don't say it, I don't use it as an opportunity to rub anything into anyone's nose, either.

And a substitute shows up to do a job; to make sure the classroom runs smoothly. The substitute has a set of directions to follow. The substitute didn't write the rules.

I think it's a cheap shot. Your teacher, especially if tenured, can get away with not enforcing a rule, if it is not causing any harm. Your substitute can't. If you really don't want to say the pledge; if it is really an issue you want to be active about, take it to the administration. Don't pat yourself on the back for standing up to the weakest link.

[Bridget Burke]

41. Good for you.

I'm quite proud of the best that America can stand for--present administration aside. But I can't remember the "pledgallegiance" being anything but a rote ritual. Not sure it was done past elementary school, in fact--this was Texas in the 50's/60's. We followed with "My Country Tis of Thee" but there was no prayer time (called "moment of silence".)

Our elementary music teacher taught us "O Canada" in the 5th grade because that was our teacher's original home.

[edbermac]

48. Next time, start singing "Deutschland ueber Alles"

I'm sure they'll be right pleased...:)

[lakelly]

56. ueber Alles

;) Or you'll be expelled. You cant be too careful these days.

[RevolutionaryActs]

50. Thats the best story I've heard in a while! Good for you and your class!

:yourock:

[Walt Starr]

55. The requirement goes to point 1 of fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

The addition of the words "under God" in 1954 go to point 8 of fascism:

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

[RUDUing2]

58. why do you say she is/was a right wing fundy...sounds more like she

was someone who was trying to make sure they were following the rules in order to get called again because she needed the money.

The only thing you showed was a lack of respect towards another person. Not exactly stellar behavior or something to brag about.

If you disagree with the requirement show some real guts..go to the administration, talk to the media, start a protest. All you did was act childish and hurt someone trying to make a living. (if they had money they would not be subbing at a high school)

[Name removed]

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[ArkDem]

62. Sounds like you guys are really learning a lot!

[Mabeline]

63. Now this really worries me...

I came of age in the 1980's and my parents taught me that just because you don't like the party the president is doesn't mean you souldn't respect the office. I feel the same about the United States, I am proud to live here with you all and would never refuse to disrespect my country that way.

And I will raise my children this way too.

[RevolutionaryActs]

64. Its very hard to respect a fascist dictatorship, you're with them, or

you're against them, I and many other people will never be with them, so we're against them.

[Raskolnik]

75. You're doing exactly what they want you to do.

Bush and his supporters want you to equate love of country with love of the president. That's not the way it works.

[RevolutionaryActs]

78. Well, what if I don't love this county?

This country is based on lies, broken promises, and genocide! We stole, stole, this land from the Indians, so answer me, why should I be proud of this country and its history?

Of course there is no other country I would rather live in, this is a free country, for now anyway. I don't know whats going to happen to this country. Something bad will happen though, I don't know what it will be, but something will happen.

Now, I'll probably get flamed for this, but here goes.

I almost feel like we deserve what we get, we are a spoiled, ignorant, and arrogant nation. That has ignored the problems of the world for far too long, even the liberals (and I classify myself as a liberal), we don't think about what we don't see, and the only thing we do see, is ourselves.

[Raskolnik]

96. Of course you don't have to love this country.

No one is suggesting that you are required to. What you did in your earlier post, however, was make a statement that equated reciting the pledge of allegiance with siding with the current administration.

Now I don't really give two shits about the pledge, but your post is indicative of the problem I pointed out. The people leading the country *aren't* the same thing as the country itself. When you equate the two, you do a lot of their work for them.

[karlrschneider]

65. Are you a naturalized citizen? If not, you have no call to be "proud" of

an accident of birth.

[justinsb]

66. Cheers From Canada, Eh?

:toast:

[Swamp Rat]

69. Yaaay! You guys are AWESOME!!!

Tell your class that Swamp Rat says: KICK ASS!!!

I remember a time (Reagan era) when I was the ONLY one who did that in class. I was later kicked out of history class when they announced that Reagan had been shot and I jumped up and cheered. Everyone else had to go to the auditorium to listen to long speeches but I ended up in an empty office to await a punishment that never came, because I just walked out of the school and went home. As I got onto the street car (trolley) I gave 'em the bird and laughed all the way home. That little bit ofrésistance felt good. :D

[justinsb]

70. I remember...

When I was in H.S. in southern California, Reagan was president and we still had to do air rade drills in case of nukes. Within 60 miles of the school were two Air Force bases and the marine training grounds at 29 palms. The siren went off, and we were told to get under our desks - one day I refused.

The teacher asked me why and I said that with all the military bases we were standing on ground zero and that I wasn't going to spend my last 20 minutes on earth with gum stuck in my hair. The teacher - who's family had escaped Hitlers germany in the early 30s - patted me on the back, told me I was excused from further drills and that I likely wouldn't end up Cannon fodder in one of Mr. Reagans wars - as it turns out I moved to canada.

But, to those of you who are being critical I would like to remind you that these are the kids who are going to be draft eligible if enlistment continues to drop. Cheer for them and devote your energies to protecting them instead of reprimanding them. Give them reasons to be proud of their flag - if not, there is room up here.

Peace,
Justin

[Raskolnik]

71. That'll learn her to go and do something stupid like TEACH.

Boy, you really took a brave stand and put that teacher in her place.

How dare she come into your class and expect you to do something as awful as recite the pledge of allegiance? I'm glad you humiliated her, because teachers don't have enough to worry about without the kids being self-righteously obnoxious.

Kudos!

[Redleg]

102. I agree.

I got gang-banged on an earlier post by criticizing the kids. Kudos to you for doing it so well.

[dethl]

72. I stopped saying the pledge in my last year of high school

After 9/11, my school decided to get more student involvement with the pledge...so we'd have pledge leaders (read: preppy kids) to "lead" us in the pledge. I finally snapped and in my senior year of high school, I stopped joining in.

Nowadays, if I go to an event that says the pledge at the beginning, I either stand up and do nothing, or I say the pledge, cutting out "under God" (I'm Jewish-Athiest).

[Tsiyu]

73. I love today's students-this essay is a gem

It is my favorite essay of all time, written by a Maine High Schooler


http://www.counterpunch.org/wilson05202004.html

and kudos to you kids for having the gumption to stand up for your beliefs. But do try to go a little lighter on the subs;)

[KG]

74. why should a 'pledge' have to be said more than once?

[NavyDem]

76. My take...

Even though nobody asked me :)

I don't object in the least to the kids not saying the pledge, or not standing, or even turning their backs to the flag. In fact, I applaud that they are willing to take a political stand.

I disagree with the singing of "Oh Canada", only because it is disruptive to those who do say the pledge.

In my household, I have empowered my children to be able to make decisions such as saying the pledge on their own. While I am agnostic in religious beliefs, my children are very much Christian, again of their own choosing. I will never force my religious beliefs, or misbeliefs on them, nor will I expect them to say a pledge, or give false worship to a symbol of the United States.

I will however continue to require them to not infringe on the beliefs of others, and to observe silence out of respect for those others' opinions.

I'm also a vet, still on active duty, and fiercely patriotic :)

Thanks for letting me speak :)

[mitchum]

77. I never make my kids swear allegiance to some piece of cloth...

What was a fundie doing taking a gig in one of those dreaded "government schools" anyway?

[ElectroPrincess]

81. Too cool, you follow in good footsteps...

I was in grade school during the Vietnam war but even us kids heard about those *evil* hippie teenagers who staged a number of "walk outs" to protest the senseless carnage.

It seems like it's the Old (Senator Byrd et. al.) and the very young (teens and young adults) that will finally give us the needed inspiration to WIN back this propagandized right wing corporatist government and return it to "the people" of the USA.

Power to the People
Right On! <warm smile>

[Cheswick2.0]

82. so what makes you think she was a "fundi"... or even right wing?

[ElectroPrincess]

88. If she's not a fundie then she's still a stickler for Authoritarian

Rule. She'll be the type that when the TIPS program is actually implemented to be the FIRST to call the hotline and turn in her pinko commie neighbors.

I served my country honorable in the Army for four years but I was smart enough to resign. I had already scored an ulcer and I knew that one day I would actually speak my mind and catch hell.

My fellow mental health colleagues (addiction counselor) swear that I'm an untreated ADHD. If having a deep seeded resentment for unchecked and abusive power (no matter the level - teacher up to president of the USA) is a symptom of such an overused Dx, then I've got it bad! LOL

[Redleg]

103. wanting to say the pledge makes one an authoritarian?

I'm surprised a mental health professional would use the term so lightly and make a diagnosis without ever have observed the teacher.

[VTdem]

83. I had a teacher like that in high school

She would get all crazy on the kids who didnt stand. Most of the time they didnt stand cuz it was too early and everyone was tired, so she'd go on a rant how not standing was disrespecting your country blah blah blah

[knight_of_the_star]

85. Nice!

If you wanted to be a real ass you could have faced the flag and sung, "God Save the King!"

Long may he reign
His majesty glorious
Ever victorious
God Save the King!

[bobthedrummer]

91. Learn "The Internationale" if you want sparks to fly. We did it in 60's

yuk, yuk, yuk...

[DemBones DemBones]

94. Grow up and give the sub a break. She's trying to do what

she was paid to do, which includes following the rules. Your teacher probably realizes you're not required to say the pledge and all s/he is supposed to do is require that you be silent and respectful while it's played on the PA. But the sub probably thought she was supposed to make you say the pledge.

My students often made me laugh with crazy things they did but this was actually a pointless and rather cruel stunt. Think about it and next time, don't go along with hassling a sub. If you're old enough to come here and post, you're old enough to think about treating other people right.

[greekspeak]

97. You will be a fake RW Pharisee-Patriot or detention for you!

Does pledging allegiance to a scrap of cloth a certain number of times make one more patriotic? Does forcing the pledge by law somehow make patriots? This country is so laughable. Wait, no, it is too much like Nazi Germany to be laughable.

[Carl Brennan]

99. Nice. Thanks for doing that!

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