unkachuck
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:05 AM
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Americas' myths and contradictions: |
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Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 12:15 AM by unkachuck
....I'll start....Congress declares wars.
Actually, the President declares and begins wars and Congress, not wanting to be unpatriotic or 'against the troops', follows the desire of the President....strange, as citizens, we're expected to follow lowly laws while the intent of our supreme legally document is ignored by our political leaders and is never challenged....
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:09 AM
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1. My Turn: "America is founded on principles of equality" |
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At no point in American history has the nation not viciously discriminated against an identifiable group of people:
Indians, Blacks, Women, Gays, etc.
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:14 AM
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13. Liberty is what America was founded on |
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Liberty and equality are contradictory.
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:39 AM
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And servitude for many is what America was really founded on.
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:59 AM
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19. Liberty for all leads to inequality |
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Some are smarter, luckier, more ambitious, etc. Liberty accentuates this. That we are all created equal in the eyes of God doesn't mean that we will all be equally successfull in any regard. The question is how much liberty are we willing to give up for equality. On that question hinges the distinction between modern day liberals and conservatives.
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Thu Dec-09-04 02:46 PM
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21. There was no "liberty for all" at the inception of the United States |
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There was liberty for white males.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:12 AM
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2. Columbus Discovered America |
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Should have been "Columbus discovered America already had people living there".
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:12 AM
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12. Let's not forget Ericson n/t |
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:35 AM
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as long as you believe in some form of christianity.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:39 AM
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4. "Americans are a free people" |
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Only property owners are free. Everyone else is enslaved to them in one way or another. In actuality, only about 5% of Americans actually have real freedom. Everyone else is restricted by barriers that can only be crossed over with money.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:41 AM
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5. The USA is a Christian Nation |
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More to the point, that our founding fathers were Christians and built this country around the precepts of Christianity. While the majority of people in this country today might consider themselves to be Christian... our nation was not founded on Christianity or with the Christian God.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:42 AM
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6. "The United States is a democracy" |
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Power in the U.S. is not distributed equally through the population. It is concentrated heavily in a tiny segment of the population. Only members of that tiny segment have genuine access to power. Some votes actually count more than other votes.
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:20 AM
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16. A modern misconception |
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America is a republic, has been at least since 1788.
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Thu Dec-09-04 02:58 PM
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22. Actually America is moreless a polyarchy |
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We talked about this one day in Contemporary Political Thought class. Basically it boils down to the fact that:
1) Being a politician is a job now 2) Voting is encouraged---but no more activity because system would collapse if all were pro-active and got out and did work and saw the system for what it really is 3) Power is in the hands of a few elites
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:45 AM
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7. We have freedom of the press |
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BWAAHAAAHAAA
Actually, it makes me cry
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:17 AM
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14. We do have freedom of the press |
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Whoever owns a press has the freedom to print what they wish. Anyone is free to own a press.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:46 AM
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8. Myth: The American economic system benefits all Americans. |
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Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 12:47 AM by bobweaver
Truth: Capitalism benefits only the ownership class of the system, and exploits the labor class. Capitalism always excaberates inequality of social classes, it never leads to more equality. When uncontrolled, capitalism always makes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. "Those that gots, gets." Only through massive, organized and often violent struggles has the capitalist economic system of the U.S. been periodically corrected to address the constant trend towards inequality.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:47 AM
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9. America is the greatest place in the world to live and everyone |
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in other countries would rather live here than in their home countries.
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Thu Dec-09-04 12:48 AM
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10. We have freedom od speech. |
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Why do we have Free Speech Zones?
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:02 AM
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11. Amendment X: All powers not listed in the Const'n are relegated |
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to the states.
EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO POT!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! MARRGIAGE TOO!
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:17 AM
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15. 'all people are created equal' nt |
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:51 AM
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Thu Dec-09-04 02:05 AM
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20. Our Constitution is what makes this country different |
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I grew up thinking that. Even after the disgrace of Nixon, Vietnam, the debacles of the Carter administration, the farces of the Reagan era... I believed that this country was somehow different and good because our constitution guaranteed our rights and spelled out the rule of law that all Americans lived by, from the homeless to the president.
Bush finally changed all that. Torture, secret prisons, assasinations, death camps, all occur at the whim of the president. I or my neighbors or friends could "disappear" as easily here as in any corrupt authoritarian state, and the supreme court, the constitutional enforcers, have proven to me that they either won't or can't do lift a finger. Our form of government is no better than a third rate military dictatorship, and the constitution is nothing but old words on an old paper.
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