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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:07 PM
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Things That Are Bill Clinton's Fault
I read today that the lack of body armor is now being blamed on Bill Clinton. I'm now finding it difficult to think of anything that isn't his fault, from 9/11 to the fall of the Roman Empire. Still, I'd like to compile a list so I can research it all and smack the fundies with the truth. Please help. What else has he been blamed for?

1. Cutting military funding
2. Not getting bin Laden after 90s attacks (therefore, 9/11)
3. Recruiting homosexuals to be in the military (they weren't there before)


What else?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:12 PM
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1. I believe he assassinated Kennedy didn't he?
;-) first
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:20 PM
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36. I also heard that he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
Sheesh. I'm so glad that the "party of personal responsibility" is in charge. :eyes:
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:13 PM
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2. The economy, of course...

Some Repub was telling me that the good economic indicators during Clinton's eight years were the result of Bush Sr's doings. And of course, the downward economic indicators now for Bush, Jr., are all Clinton's fault.

Didn't Clinton also have something to do with that fiasco in Pearl Harbor 63 years ago? Everything is Slick Willie's fault!
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:18 PM
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6. Remind him that *41* RAISED TAXES
and BRAGGED about CUTTING military spending 30%! I shuts the ignorant dildo heads up every time!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:42 PM
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28. Will do.

I will also remember to bring up the "read my lips - no new taxes" line from 41.

I am not sure that the Repub people around me at work are incredibly obnoxious about it (as in dildo heads), but they ARE ignorant (in the not-informed or enlightened sense of the word.)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:41 PM
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26. That would mean Reagan's good numbers resulted from Carter's
good economic policies and George H.W. Bush's bad numbers were due to Reagan's bad economic policies.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:43 PM
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29. Good extrapolation.
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sphincter Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:14 PM
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3. and don't forget
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 08:15 PM by sphincter
It's Clinton's fault that Ann Coulter is such a twat. Without him she wouldn't have much to complain about, right?
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:15 PM
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4. No one "recruited" homosexuals to be in the military.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 08:16 PM by tjwash
That's what the "don't ask don't tell" policy was about. It meant that you could not be dishonorably discharged for your sexual orientation.

And FYI "they" have been in the military since the very first army was throwing rocks and spears at each other.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:23 PM
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8. As a gay co-worker once said to me...
..."Honey, I defended you from communism!"

And he had, too. :-)
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:25 PM
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10. I know...I agree with you...it was an attempt at humor! eom
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:17 PM
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5. 1st doing Lewinsky, and 2nd lying about Lewinski
thereby fucking up ANY dems chances to succeed him. Ultimately, that moral failure was a toehold that allowed the repugs to seize control of all branches of government. For loss of a nail, and all that.

What I wonder is whether he would've abstained from the questionable "pleasures of the moment" if he had known what kind of hell his daliance would visit upon the planet.

Gyre

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:26 PM
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11. Hear! Hear!
Couldn't agree with you more! And that he did it "because he could" is just so f*ckin' stupid. I mean if he said he did it because he was a nympho and was addicted to sex, that is one thing, but to say he did it "because he could" while knowing all along the Rwingers were out of his ass, well that is sheer stupidity.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:24 PM
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18. Bullshit
Clinton left office with a higher approval rating when he entered, the only people who gave a shit about the Lewinsky thing were Republicans. Polls have been done showing evidence that if Clinton had been allowed to run in 2004, he would've wiped the floor with Bush.

Gore was not charismatic in any way and ran a shitty campaign.

Kerry had an unfortunate set of circumstances involving Bush being a "war president" and BBV + voter suppression.
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:22 PM
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7. Well, don't forget he wasted
sperm cells in violation of his wedding vows - a much worse crime than wasting human life in a phony war.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:26 PM
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19. LMAO
Those precious sperm cells...
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:49 PM
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30. Wasting the baby batter on that blue dress....
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 09:51 PM by Turn CO Blue
Hmmm. Yep, the extreme fundies would call that abortion before the fact.

Here's some hypocrisy for you - everybody back then was pretty much onboard with "don't ask, don't tell" for gays in the military, but the old adage that "a gentleman never kisses and tells" was totally out.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:24 PM
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9. Well...
We got Nafta thanx to him and welfare reform, 2 things i will never forgive him for. Especially frickin' Nafta! Nafta has cost me 2 jobs in 8yrs, so i alsways thought Bill kinda sucked ass.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:27 PM
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12. Didn't he help the corporate warlords take over the media?
Wasn't that in his admin?

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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:59 PM
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13. Yep i do believe you are right...
Thats another thing i can dislike about him. I had forgot the relaxation of media rules under him.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:06 PM
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16. Talk about biting us on the ass!
:argh:
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:27 PM
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20. Well....the Telecommunications Act of 1996
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 09:28 PM by OneTwentyoNine
Which allowed owners to have more than two stations in a given market. First off, Clear Channel was around 24 years before this took place and buying stations. Of course this bill gave them the green light to take over.

Secondly though,no where in the bill does it state that someone who has Liberal/Democratic leanings couldn't also buy 10,100 or 1000 stations but NONE came forward.

Clinton opened up the market place but Dems sat on their ass and watched it happen,just like they did with rigged up voting machines in 2004 after seeing an election stolen in 2000.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:42 PM
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27. I understand your disappointment with Clinton
I still admire the guy and think that he genuinely wanted to do the right thing, but once he was in office he became a much different man than he was when he campaigned in 1992. I just read the transcript of his '92 convention speech, it was brilliant. My favorite line in particular, "Frankly, I am fed up with politicians in Washington lecturing the rest of us about family values. Our families have values. But our government doesn’t." I can't even fathom a democratic presidential candidate saying something like that today, now that we are trying to be just as good on "family values" as the GOP. His speech had the right amount of reform proposals, the right amount of anger at president Bush, the right amount of connecting with ordinary Americans, and to top it all off, I still haven't heard a better one-liner by any politician since his "I still believe in a place called hope."

What is remarkable to me about Clinton is that how a man with so much talent, so much intlligence, and so much dedication came to office and failed to inact his broad social initiatives. Yea sure, it's not as easy as it looks, I know, but if anybody could do it, it seems like Bill Clinton could.

Even more remarkable, is that Chimpy, who has maybe a tenth of the intelligence, personality, and character that Clinton does, has managed to enact his agenda just fine.

Ultimately Monica Lewinsky did nothing but ruin his own legacy. Democrats lost some political ground on "values" but Republicans lost more for impeaching a popular president on completely bullshit charges.

It's not the Monica Lewinsky thing that I can't forgive him for, that was his decission and he suffered the consequences. I just don't see why such a talented man gave up so easily and sold out to NAFTA and welfare reform instead of continuing to fight the good fight that he came to Washington to do.

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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:01 PM
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14. Didn't he sneak off to England
so he wouldn't have to go to Viet Nam??

Just because he was a Rhodes scholar shouldn't have anything to do with that, should it???
http://www.rhodesscholar.org/
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:27 PM
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21. Draft dodging isn't wrong if you aren't for the war...
Now if you support the war AND dodge the draft, that's a different story.
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Jurgis Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:02 PM
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15. He hid the truth...
from the public about area 51, thereby depriving us of the chance to find out how to make those super-advanced alloys.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:29 PM
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22. yeah we could have our Hummers in Iraq equipted with the stuff by now!
...
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:08 PM
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17. Getting O.J. Simpson off on two murder charges.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:30 PM
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23. Waterloo, Napoleon left him alone for just a second!!
Then lived to regret it
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:33 PM
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24. He gave China ALL our military secrets....
Never mind the fact that after Bush took office the Chinese forced that spy plane to land and they about took it completely apart.

All the Chinese wanted to know was how the coffee maker worked and where it got its power from. Clinton had already supplied them with all other Military secrets.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:38 PM
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25. I'm pretty sure he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. n/t
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:06 PM
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31. He's history's greatest monster!
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:07 PM by Heaven and Earth
God is dead because of him! :evilgrin:
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Jurgis Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:05 AM
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38. No, God is dead because he didn't wear a seatbelt...
while riding home from Chappaquiddick with Teddy Kennedy.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:27 PM
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39. God was in the car with Kennedy and got shot as well.
<eom>
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:07 PM
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32. Don't forget El Nino. Wild Bill Clinton is responsible for that, too.
Peering into my crystal ball, I predict that the biggest hurricane of all time will be named Hurricane Clenis.

I hope it takes out the Florida Governor's mansion.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:15 PM
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33. "we have the answers, they have the excuses" I always thought Kerry
should have used that as a talking point. If something good happens to the Repubs it is their leadership. If it's bad then Clinton did it.

I mean Jeez they pretty much had control of congress thru most of Clinton's tenure and they aren't willing to accept responsibility?
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SoiledEarthLink Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:47 PM
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34. The latest is not allowing the military to have enough armored vehicles
That's the latest winger talking point.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:15 PM
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35. He gave Antarctica to China. Honest. A Texan told me that.
She says Bill Clinton signed over Antarctica to China. When i asked her why on earth he'd do that, she said: " for the water rights." When I said, "isn't it the wrong hemisphere for China? And what navy are they going to use to enforce their claim?", she couldn't answer that, but she said it was all Clinton's fault anyway.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:22 PM
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37. Dinosaur extinction. n/t
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:30 PM
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40. Creating an Officer Corps of Surrender Monkeys
Heard that one the other day - we'd have won the war if Clinton hadn't given out all those commissions and promtions to leftist pansies - at which point someone pointed out that there's little chance anyone serving during Clinton's term as a LT would be remotely close to Major yet.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:32 PM
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41. In all honesty...
NAFTA and most favored nation status for unfair trader China
Welfare deform and no end to the wholesale destruction of the New Deal
8 years of continued sanctions and 500K starved-to-death kids in Iraq

There is much to blame Clinton for, but for some reason the right never cares about those things, because they were complicit.
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:46 PM
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42. enron!
he started the moral decline that led to the corruption there.
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 05:47 PM
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43. He made it possible for Hillary to run for Senate
and they just hate her so much.
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