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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:20 PM
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Poll question: John Kerry was...
John Kerry was...
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:53 PM
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1. Definitely the establishment candidate.
He never successfully differentiated himself from Busholini in the opinion of most voters. His policies were so nuanced, they didn't strike a chord anywhere-even among a lot of us who voted for him. Fortune favors the bold, therefore fortune didn't favor Kerry. The sheeple stuck with the Chimpster.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:59 PM
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2. John Kerry was...
the newest victim of the Rovebots.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:59 PM
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3. Perhaps we could have a thread
to trash every one of the leading democrats. We spend far too much time trashing the republicans, it's so refreshing to trash our own.

right?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:14 PM
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4. lwfern, I
applaud you! :toast:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:27 PM
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5. I really resented the fact that Kerry was a done deal
before the voting option even got to Texas. I don't think Kerry was the best candidate but he did win me over in the end.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:44 PM
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6. That's what we get when we front-load the primary system
I don't know why there isn't serious talk in the leadership over revamping it right now. If there is, I haven't seen much of it.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:48 PM
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7. Oops - Typo in there - "DNC & DLC", not "DNC & DNC"
Too late to edit.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:51 PM
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8. The primaries were rigged, just as the election was.
Kerry was a candidate the establishment could have lived with. In the end, it didn't matter because they rigged the elections as well.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:51 PM
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9. ...a Phoney.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:55 PM
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10. And then we wonder why we lose.
It's because we eat our own.

I swear Democrats are our own worst enemy. We don't know the meaning of unity and loyalty. That's one thing the Rethugs do better.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:54 PM
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19. I'm sure the repugs did the same after Dole lost.
There's nothing wrong with looking back on what went wrong. This won't last long - once Bush (?) is inaugurated, we will have our work cut out for us.

I personally believe that Kerry was the choice of the DLC and corporate types and he didn't listen to the people enough in defining his campaign. I cringed when he said "reporting for duty" and kept harping on his military record as though nobody had ever heard of it. But there are a million theories out there.
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:58 PM
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11. He had me sold on him
Until he took our money and ran without so much as a "screw you".
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Nik Jam Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:29 PM
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12. I like how all these are anti-Kerry
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 07:30 PM by Nik Jam
not one Pro-Kerry choice. I guess it's uncool to still like him now.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:50 PM
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16. "He was the best of the field" is hardly anti-Kerry.
And neither am I. I've been a longtime admirer of his. But the reasons I admire him are precisely the reasons he is vulnerable as a national candidate. And that would be his anti-war activities, his "Winter Soldier" testimony and his throwing some medals over a fence.

Add that to the fact that he ran as a hawk in this campaign, and you have a very conflicted image. And in many parts of this country, they absolutely the anti-war hippies of the 60s. I think that hurt him even more than the Swift Boat lies.

Those of us who acknowledge his vulnerabilities (now that the election is over) are not against him at all. Just being realistic.
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:53 PM
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18. I worked my tail off for Kerry
And all I have to show for it is this lousy recount ;-)

Honestly though, I would do it all again. I would have preferred Clark to Kerry or even to have had Clark on the ballot with Kerry at the top. No knock on John Edwards, but his resume can not measure up to that of Wes Clark.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:37 PM
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13. Proof that we should have picked Dean.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:43 PM
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14. Other: The choice of people who could only agree on who they DIDN'T want
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 07:44 PM by TahitiNut
... but still are so self-centered and argumentative that they can't be bothered to focus on CLEARLY ARTICULATING the common principles of justice and equity upon which they agree.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:49 PM
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15. Had Clark went to Iowa, he'd have won
I honestly believe that when his campaign decided to put all their eggs into New Hampshire and skip Iowa, it would cost General Clark the nomination. But unfortunately, we'll never know.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:52 PM
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17. The WRONG choice
As evidenced by the outcome.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:55 PM
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20. You just HAD to include Dean and Clark's names in there...
So this thread can be flooded by zealous Deaniacs and Clarkies.
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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:35 PM
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21. RE:"John Kerry was..."
a skull & bones buddy of Bush, and he threw the election.

I've had this thought shortly after he began campaigning for the DNC nomination.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:21 PM
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22. OTHER, what ever percent ? of the voters adopted rover vision,ergo *
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