Justin Raimundo and Antiwar.com--attn. Kucinich supporters

[Capn Sunshine]

Hey all you Kucinich guys. I think Dennis is a remarkable person, but lately I receieved an anti-Dean email from a Kucinich partisan and the main emphasis was on a negative article Raimundo wrote on Dean.

You guys DO know this guy is a "Paleo rightist" Buchananite opposed to the War because it does not put "America first" don't you?

Aside from the snazzy name for his website, Anti-war.com, he's about as right wing as you can get without strapping on the jackboots.

These guys do your movement no good.

[Mr. McD]

1. Anti-war.com is a libertarian website.

[LittleApple81]

2. I look at antiwar.com because that was one of the few sites that

opposed the war. At that point, I did not care the reasons he opposed it. I am not voting for Raimondo, I don't read his own articles when I don't want, I have never cited him. He does have a good collection of articles and links on the war on his site.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

28. Some conservatives are against the war, so I have to be for it!

Isn't that the logic of the original post? I've read antiwar.com, they are a paleo-conservative/libertarian publication. While I don't agree with that position, I think they have had many good articles about the war.

[0rganism]

33. ~~~~~Whaaaaat~~~~~? Are you hard-up for anti-war reference sites?

Jeez, I feel for ya. Here's a couple just to get you started.

http://www.globalexchange.org/
http://www.internationalanswer.org/
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.nonviolence.org/vitw/
http://www.forusa.org/
http://electroniciraq.net/news/
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~aehunt/antiwar.html

PM me if you need more.

[Tinoire]

41. Well you keep looking at it and start looking at it closely now

People are trying to discredit this fine site for a reason. My guess is that it has to do with their vocal opposition to the war Clark waged against Yugoslavia because antiwar.com was around at the time and collecting all the articles.

They didn't become as revered by the Left as they are now because most people were asleep during Kosovo and still believe the imperialist hype that it was a "humanitarian mission".

You can bet your sweet butt Raimondo going to be churning out some interesting and reputably sourced commentaries in the coming days.

His column today looks rather interesting: IMPERIAL EYE FOR THE REPUBLICAN GUY: You're not an American – you're a citizen of the Empire

<snip>

Yes, the ostensible liberals, as well as the neoconservatives, are embracing the makeover of our old Republic: from Howard Dean to Bill Kristol, a left-right Popular Front for the Promotion of Imperialism has grown up, a general consensus that we must take up the burden of rebuilding and even "democratizing" Iraq by pouring billions ($60 billion, to start) into the project, and untold thousands of American lives. The question of whether war against Iraq was justified to begin with is the subject of endless controversy, but both left and right are taking up the cry: "Just fix it!"

<snip>

Leave it to the peaceniks to call for the continuation of the war, albeit properly "internationalized," while the real antiwar agitation is coming from senior military officers in the Pentagon.

A classified Pentagon report leaked to the Washington Times shows that the postwar planning process was seriously "deficient": no one, it is claimed, predicted the guerrilla war that is now deepening. No one, of course, but General Shinseki and other high-ranking military officers, both active and retired, who opposed this war to begin with – and are working to get our troops out of the line of fire. With some success, as the Washington Post reported the other day:

"On Tuesday, President Bush's first day back in the West Wing after a month at his ranch, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell walked into the Oval Office to present something close to a fait accompli.

In what was billed as a routine session, Powell told Bush that they had to go to the United Nations with a resolution seeking a U.N.-sanctioned military force in Iraq – something the administration had resisted for nearly five months. Powell, whose department had long favored such an action, informed the commander in chief that the military brass supported the State Department's position despite resistance by the Pentagon's civilian leadership."

Faced with this revolt by his Praetorians, the Imperial Bush and his national security chief "quickly agreed," according to eyewitnesses. You bet they did. Millions of antiwar demonstrators in the streets can always be ignored, but when your own troops threaten to mutiny a wise ruler will order a strategic retreat.

This complete turnaround on the question of the UN and its role in Iraq, this appeal to our former allies in Europe to send troops to take some of the heat off the U.S., is a recognition that the Empire is dying at the moment of its greatest glory. Having "won" the battle for Iraq in record time, the U.S. now finds itself in the ironic position of being unable to pay the cost of "victory."

U.S. troops are sitting ducks for every terrorist outfit known, and a whole slew of new ones. We have "won" an outsized version of the Gaza Strip, our own mega-version of Israel's occupied territories, complete with car-bombs, suicidal killers, and chanting crowds hurling abuse and throwing stones.

<snip of the rest which is truly an excellent read for people whose heads aren't buried in the sand>

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html

You're on the right path and more informed than any of the people trying to smear this site.

Peace

[roughsatori]

3. hard to comment when you don't post the email or letter

But every candidate is sure to have a foolish person or two supporting them. Just read some of the HD/JK threads from yesterday.

First we are told we are "too pure," now you seem to be suggesting a pogrom to purify our ranks.

Also, it is interesting that Clark supporters think it is a positive that he could get Republican votes, yet you seem to be suggesting it is a negative if Kucinich gets them.

[bicentennial_baby]

5. I think it's this article

if that helps:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j082703.html

[roughsatori]

15. Thanks for the link to the libertarian screed

It is quite a jump in logic to hold Kucinich responsible for this man's words.He is trashing Dean on his own. The author is not a speech writer for Kucinch.


When you work as a coalition to stop war, or overturn laws, there will be people who may have even antithetical reasons to your own--but they are on your side for the one issue you are fighting to achieve.

[Capn Sunshine]

6. Link to Raimundo's article

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j082703.html


and like I said, Raimundo is an avowed paleo rightist Buchananite.

Antiwar.com is libertarian in the antithetical anti Cato way.
So yeah, they would lean more towards pure libertarianism where the most important thing on earth is you and your dirt.

But my point i bring this up was to point out that I don't think a paleo rightist has any place in a list of Dennis' talking points.

But it's not my call. I'm an obvious partisan.

[NNN0LHI]

4. Justin Raimundo is a registerd freaKer from the dark side

I have seen many of his posts there. He may not be real well liked over there, but he is one of them.

Don

[Capn Sunshine]

8. That's my point

he's a Freeper who thinks that Bush is too liberal.

[alphafemale]

7. The antiwar.com website is on a militia watchdog list

http://www.adl.org/mwd/m1.asp#misc

#37 under miscellanious.

[StandWatie]

9. the adl "enemies" list is worthless

I'm not defending Justin but Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Uri Averny (?!) are all on that list.

It's a damn shame that an organization founded as a civil liberties action comittee has devolved into defaming people as a course of it's work.

[ButterflyBlood]

10. the ADL considers Chomsky an enemy?

funny, considering that he is Jewish.

[StandWatie]

14. so are the rest of the people I mentioned..

and it's also funny that an "anti-defamation" league carries an enemies list in the first place.

[Capn Sunshine]

13. Where ?

Link ? I'd be curious to see ADL's take on Chomsky

[StandWatie]

16. err..

Again let me stress that no one is raising an issue of the "political rights" of critics of Israeli policies. To take another case, my "political rights" are not violated when the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith keeps a 150-page file on my activities, including surveillance of my talks and grossly falsified accounts of these talks and other matters, which the League then circulates to people with whom I am to have debates (e.g., Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz) or to groups in universities where I am to speak so that they can extract defamatory and slanderous lies from this material. The issues, rather, are quite different. I have agreed to provide these files (leaked to me from the ADL office) to the people who find the Stalinist-style mentality and behavior of the ADL scandalous, and who question whether a tax-exempt organization should devote itself to surveillance and defamation of critics of the state it serves, but I accept no further responsibility to concern myself with the matter, contrary to Smokler's absurd claim, any more than I waste time over the behavior of Communist Party hacks. For those who may be interested in the disreputable and dangerous activities of these groups, there is ample evidence in Paul Findley's recent book, They Dare to Speak Out, Naseer Aruri's "The Middle East on the U.S. Campus," (Link, published by Americans for Middle East Understanding), and other works.


http://www.infotrad.clara.co.uk/antiwar/noamnchomskyfreespeech.htm

I'm not at home but the name of the printed book the ADL uses is in the footnotes for "Fateful Triangle"

[Capn Sunshine]

19. That was Chomsky , not the ADL

Cryptically referring to a conspiracy of ADL.....I'm neutral in this point. I honestly would like to see what ADL has "against" Chomsky.

[alphafemale]

30. Link

http://www.adl.org/mwd/m1.asp#misc

The original link I posted.

And you can get to the home page through a link.

[Capn Sunshine]

11. wow....

37. Antiwar.com. Http://www.antiwar.com/. An unusual site, essentially an isolationist right-wing/libertarian site consciously designed to appeal to anti-war activists from the left as well. Particularly against any foreign involvement in Kosovo.
:wow:

[Tinoire]

12. Another cute smear tactic. Guess you don't like their assessment of Clark

You guys DO know this guy is a "Paleo rightist" Buchananite opposed to the War because it does not put "America first" don't you?

And if he is, so what? He doesn't make up his stories- they all come from reputable and mostly Left-wing sources.

The people at antiwar.com opposed the war because it was immoral. They opposed it for the same reason they opposed the war on Yugoslavia and the war on Afghanistan.

I'll just take it you don't like their latest articles on Clark. Too bad... You won't undo the respect they've earned from the Left over 3 years of excellent reporting with smears from Clark supporters.

---------------

Let us look at what kind of a president Wesley Clark would make according to CounterPunch of November 12, 1999, "The poster child for everything that is wrong with the GO (general officer) corps," exclaims one colonel, who has had occasion to observe Clark in action, citing, among other examples, his command of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood from 1992 to 1994.

"At the beginning of the Kosovo conflict, CounterPunch delved into the military career of General Wesley Clark and discovered that his meteoric rise through the ranks derived from the successful manipulation of appearances: faking the results of combat exercises, greasing to superiors and other practices common to the general officer corps. We correctly predicted that the unspinnable realities of a real war would cause him to become unhinged. Given that Clark attempted to bomb the CNN bureau in Belgrade and ordered the British General Michael Jackson to engage Russian troops in combat at the end of the war, we feel events amply vindicated our forecast.

"With the end of hostilities it has become clear even to Clark that most people, apart from some fanatical members of the war party in the White House and State Department, consider the general, as one Pentagon official puts it, 'a horse's ass.' Defense Secretary William Cohen is known to loathe him, and has seen to it that the Hammer of the Serbs will be relieved of the Nato command two months early."

<snip>

On 17 July 2001, General Wesley Clark was confronted in an often heated exchange by his critics at Border's book store where the general was promoting his book, Waging Modern War. Although one of the axioms of Clark's book is that, "A Political Problem Cannot be Solved by Military Force," what he practiced and advocated in Kosovo was just the opposite. When confronted with questions about the misuse of air power and grossly exaggerating the results as exposed in a Newsweek article titled Kosovo Cover-Up of 15 May 2000, targeting civilian targets as stated by Sen. Joe Lieberman, and consorting with KLA terrorists such as Hashim Thaci and Agim Ceku, General Clark's replies were always the same: the questioner was wrong, Sen. Lieberman was wrong, and Newsweek was wrong. "I went to the presentation very much opposed to everything Clark stood for, but it wasn't until I heard him speak and answer questions that I realized how dangerous a man like this is," writes Col. George Jatras, USAF (Ret).

'THE GUY WHO ALMOST STARTED WORLD WAR III'

<snip>

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jatras12.html
---------------------


Lots more fine articles to read here! Thank you for pointing it out. Antiwar is a favorite site with the Left and it speaks volumes that you need to denigrate it.


http://www.google.com/custom?q=%22Wesley+Clark%22&cof=LW%3A510%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2F128.121.216.19%2Fantiwar4.gif%3BLH%3A84%3BAH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3Ac7dd53b2d1b358c8%3B&domains=antiwar.com&sitesearch=antiwar.com

[Capn Sunshine]

17. I don't care about Clark.

I think the subject of this thread is a disingenuous propagandist.
And, No, not everything Raimundo writes is true. Much of it is opinionated claptrap based on his conservative right wing agenda.

Further, the primary statement on the War at Antiwar.com is couched in Buchananist rhetoric. I can't emphasize enough how this guy is just a stalking horse for the right wing.

I wonder how many others at DU have been suckered by his Antiwar tune?

[Tinoire]

23. I don't think most DUers hail Raimondo as some sort of saint

It's pretty clear he's not a Leftist but what he is is a respected, committed anti-war activist.

His site is mostly used as a daily news source because he has an outstanding daily compendium of stories & editorials very much in line with our own antiwar views. He saves us a lot of valuable time by scouring articles from the BBC, the Telegraph, UK Guardian, Ha'aretz etc that we imply use for daily discussions.

His site is a great reference. I don't think there's anything to get suckered with there. The right wing considers him too far to the Left, go figure :shrug:

I don't read that many of his personal essays but the few I read were in complete agreement with my Left wing views and thoroughly, reputably sourced.

I think it's time we started looking beyond party labels because I'll take Justin Raimondo and my Left-leaning Republican friends who are as appalled by this war as I am, over the war-mongerers in the Democratic Party. There are too many wolves in sheeps clothing among us.

There are many Kerry and Kucinich supporters who felt that way about Dean from the beginning. The fact that Raimondo no longer likes Dean may sadden some Dean supporters, and it may offend them that he's strongly pointing out that Dean is not the liberal anti-war candidate many activists first thought he was but there are several former Dean supporters at DU who have had the same reaction Raimondo did- everyone's entitled to their opinion.

No need to attack an excellent news site and a web-master who's as strongly anti-war as most of us are by accusing him and his site of being a right-wing tool or of having ulterior motives. Not once have any such ulterior motives been revealed. If he prefers Ron Paul over Dean, that's his prerogative.

Frankly, I think I'd vote for a Republican fighting against American Imperialism before voting for a right-wing Democrat who supported it- I'd certainly be tempted to! I'm tired of the clever 2-party system that pits us into 2 separate camps and prevents us from uniting over issues. It's time to start seeing past that game so we can make some progress.

Party labels are a joke- just look at the DLC. We won't make any progress in this country until we can start looking beyond those and bond on issues. This is one reason, I'm proud to work with Greens, Libertarians, and Independents on the single most important issues of our time- Peace, constitutional freedoms, and a halt of American imperialism.

Thanks for the points you made though- just in case anyone here (or lurking) was prepared to be a Raimondo lemming... but I frankly don't think so.

[Darranar]

39. Any site that...

has Buchanan as a writer does not earn my respect easily, Tinoire. Anti-war.com doesn't deserve to be written off, but I prefer the more left-wing websites.

[Tinoire]

40. The site doesn't have Buchanan as a writer

In the 6 years I've been reading them, on an almost daily basis, I've never even seen a Buchanan article. Someone is desperately trying to discredit this site. Antiwar.com is one of the best news sites out there and that's where I get a lot of the LBN and F/A stories I post.

Peace

Here is who is behind them: http://www.antiwar.com/who.html (The Randolph Bourne Institute)

Here is their history:

About Us
History
At the end of 1995, when the editors registered the domain name Antiwar.com, we did it with the certainty that we would soon put it to good use. Fortunately, we were not disappointed.


Our first project was to document the extensive U.S. intervention in Bosnia's civil war, because we were convinced that this would be the launching pad for a wider and more extensive military campaign. There was a flurry of interest in the site, at first, but the project soon slipped into near-inactivity. As the situation on the ground in Bosnia stabilized, at least temporarily, Republican opposition to the most significant political and military intervention since the Vietnam War quieted down or was neutralized by the GOP leadership.


The focus of the site then shifted to Iraq when President Clinton continued the aggression begun by his predecessor, and interest in the site skyrocketed. But the daily bombing of Iraq was soon relegated to the back pages of the nation's newspapers; absent US casualties, or the introduction of ground forces, the plight of the Iraqi people - who were not only bombed by "Allied" planes but are still being cruelly starved by draconian sanctions - was soon forgotten. As public interest in the issue dropped, so did the number of hits on this site. This state of affairs did not last very long, however, nor did we expect it to: President Clinton launched more military expeditions to the far-flung corners of the globe than any single chief executive in modern history: Bosnia, Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan, and the Sudan - and these are just the overt interventions. Since the foreign policy decisions that affect us all are largely conducted in secret - by unelected officials, corporate executives, foreign lobbyists, and our unelected elites - the real extent of our interventions around the world is unknown. What we do know, however, is more than enough to justify our fear that the promise of peace held out at the end of the Cold War has been betrayed and tragically reversed. "Operation Allied Force" in the Balkans took most of the nation, including the chattering classes, completely by surprise.

The last time anybody heard about the American presence in the Balkans, everything was supposedly going along swimmingly, and the military occupation of Bosnia was held up as a model for future interventions in the textbook of American globalism. "It's the economy, stupid" became the battle-cry of a whole generation of political consultants. Foreign policy was consigned to the back-burners of American politics, a side-issue that was only trotted out to make a candidate look properly "presidential," or congressional, and in any case was inevitably turned over to the alleged "experts."


As American bombers and Cruise missiles descended on Serbian schools, hospitals, monasteries, homes, and other civilian sites, and the War Party agitated ceaselessly for the introduction of ground troops, it became the moral duty of every citizen of the United States to become an "expert" on the Balkan crisis. Since the United States has taken on the burdens of empire, while still retaining (for the moment) the forms of our old Republic, what Americans think about the actions of their government abroad has become literally a matter of life and death for the peoples of the world.


The battle in the sky over Yugoslavia had its equivalent here in the battle for American public opinion. We played a key role in that fight. As the quick victory envisioned by the NATO-crats continued to elude them, the tide of public opinion began to turn. Our goal was not only to inform but also to mobilize informed citizens in concerted action to stop the war. The war at home was an information war: an attempt by the government to both limit and shape the information that Americans had. It was, above all, a propaganda war, one in which the American government and its allies in the media were bombing and strafing their own people with hi-tech lies.


Major Media and Antiwar.com

From time to time our actions have grabbed the attention of the mainstream media. Below is a short compilation of some important citings of our cause:

Boston's 'The Weekly Dig' (3/19/03)

PBS Online News Hour with Jim Lehrer (5/24/99)

Washington Post (4/15/99)

New York Press(4/4/00)

San Francisco Chronicle (3/25/00)

The Nation (5/10/99)

New York Press (6/22/99)

Atlantic Monthly (4/15/99)



Here are their http://www.antiwar.com/columnists.html">columnists:

Justin Raimondo
Matthew Barganier
Praful Bidwai
Alan Bock Christopher
Deliso
Ivan Eland
Mike Ewens
Anthony Gancarski
Ran HaCohen
Nebojsa Malic
Sascha Matuszak
Christopher Montgomery
Joseph Stromberg
Bevin Chu
Alexander Cockburn
Rep. Ron Paul
Scott McConnell
Chad Nagle
Christine Stone
George Szamuely
Jon Basil Utley
Stella L. Jatras

And here are the sources from which they get their daily articles:

US Online News Wires

Bloomberg Wire
Excite AP/Reuters News
Google News Search
IWon News Portal
Nando Times
PR Newswire
Reuters (US)
Scripps Howard News Service
United Press International
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ARTA News
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Haaretz Daily (Israel)
The Herald (Scotland)
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http://antiwar.com/sources.html

I did a search on their site of Buchanan. He is referenced in some news articles and editorials, other than that I didn't find anything except that he once appeared at the same antiwar rally as they did.

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[David__77]

18. Criticism not a bad thing.

I am inclined to support Dean over Kucinich, but I don't think that an anti-imperialist criticism of Dean is a bad thing. We should have no illusions (we being consistent opponents of war and occupation) that Dean is different than the Clinton-Gore legacy of intervention and subversion of governments around the world. We can never forget that Clinton maintained the brutal sanctions against Iraq and bombed Yugoslavia. I don't believe there is an indication that Dean's policy would be different. We would be trading neo-con fascist interventionism to neo-liberal interventionism with a democratic face. That's a trade, by the way, that I'm willing to make.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. It's just this Raimundo guy is the problem

His sole purpose is to mole into the left and perpetrate his right wing paleorightist crap upon us dressed up in the sheeps clothing of "anti war"

[Classical_Liberal]

21. This makes him a very good foil for neocon moles in the dlc though

. Raimondo is no mole. He freely conceeds he is a right winger unike many socalled prowar liberals. BTW, he called Kucinich a commie in
todays column.

[JohnKleeb]

24. he says commie like its a bad thing

:) how cute
from a democrat who doesnt think socialism is evil. Although in '48 I'd would prefer Truman to Henry Wallace both good man compared to the right wing democrat aka Strom.

[Tinoire]

25. lol- Did he? I'll read it later... Thanks :) n/t

[JohnKleeb]

26. how are you today

I was afraid I was gonna see anti Dennis posts all over DU. Sigh of a relief I did not. BTW I wear those two buttons you sent me with pride, actually the other one I may give to lefty I am not sure yet though. Buttons of pride, it feels so good to wear em.

[Tinoire]

29. :) Doing good!

Working three events this week-end and really looking forward to it.

Will be sending you another small package soon (I hope)! I don't think you'll see too many anti-Dennis posts at DU. I say this only because most real DUers will tell you that they like DU but think he's not electable.

Lol, if we could get one vote for each time someone said that, Kucinich would win be a land-slide!

Be proud- I signed up two concerned Republicans (possibly three) to the DK camp yesterday. They're going to re-register as Dems because they're sick of Bush, lies, and the military-industrial complex. One of them has a son in Iraq and she wants him home. What they really like is his record and the way I can prove to them that he gives more than lip-service to the issues that concern us all. Wish me luck, I have a meeting with a few more next week- it will be a mixture of Independents, Greens, and Republicans. Very exciting! :)

Peace

[JohnKleeb]

31. I know its just I feared a backlash on us

maybe I am paranoid :crazy:. Yeah I wish we could get a vote everytime someone said that. Good for you and I cant :) wait to get my package. Really are something else you are :). Maybe I was paranoid my fears I think were wrong, DK is in 2-4 place as winner of the debate.

[Tinoire]

42. :) First Primaries, lol?

You certainly picked an intense historical time, I'll tell you that! :) Things should calm down afterwards and this board return to normal ;)

D is 2-4? That's excellent! I was so tired after my meet-up last night that I fell asleep during the debates (can you believe that!?) I'll watch them tonight I hope!

Peace :)

[Bushfire]

22. Fyi, Antiwar.com also linked from Michael Moore's site

for what it's worth. You can check for yourself in the lower right hand corner. http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[dpbrown]

27. Did you tell the person who sent you the article this?

Because I never heard of this Raimundo guy, I read the article from the link you posted and it doesn't say "vote for Kucinich" it says "vote Green or Libertarian" and I didn't see a link to anti-war.com on the http://www.kucinich.us website anywhere.

I consider that I've done due diligence on this issue, and that, apart from whomever you got the article from, this attempt to link the candidate and this Libertarian guy (who seems to love Ron Paul as a candidate) fails.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[eablair3]

32. Nothing like a PERSONAL ATTACK and no facts

This is the type of argument or post that does no one any good.

What I noticed in the original post was a complete absence of anything about what Justin Raimondo said in his article on Dean. I read the article that I think you're referring to you about a week or two ago. I didn't agree with all of it, as I recall.

But, you do nothing (NADA) to say what Raimondo says or states about Dean that is so wrong and even that you disagree with. You don't even provide a link to an article. Your post is a pure and simple personal attack on the guy. If he's so bad, put forth some solid reasons. Heck, there are even articles out there responding to Raimondo's piece that I've seen. That should make it easy for you.

I'm not a huge fan of Raimondo (he's okay, and worth reading, imo), but I'm even less a fan of a personal attack post/thread like this which contains no facts. It's just one personal attack after another when you say he is a "Buchananite." So, what. I don't agree with everything Buchanan has to say, but I do find Buchanan to be worth listening to. I do agree with some of what Buchanan says. (And, now you try to do a personal attack by linking all these guys to Kucinich?)

As for Raimondo, I don't find him "about as right-wing as you can get" at all. Compare him to the war mongers: Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Kristol, Richard Pearle, Dick Cheney, George Bush.

The antiwar.com site is libertarian. That's no big revelation. They are very much up front about. They tell everyone right on their site. It isn't like you have "discovered" some deep dark secret. For as long as I have read that site, they have disclosed that.

I'm a regular user of the antiwar.com site. I may not agree with all the viewpoints expressed there in the editorial pieces, but I do find the site to be incredibly useful as it provides links to international news stories that the U.S. media either doesn't cover or doesn't cover enough. You can find these stories on your own, but antiwar.com makes it easier to see many of them in one place.

But, if you don't like a person, why not say why and include some facts or statements the guy has said and show how he is wrong? I noticed that you didn't rebut one thing that Raimondo said about Howard Dean. You just marched on here calling him "right wing", a "Buchananite", a "paleo Rightist." Where's the substance?

IIRC, Raimondo said in that piece that he originally liked Howard Dean, but that he was esseentially pissed over what he believed to be misrepresentations by Dean or changes in Dean's positions on certain issues, especially relating to war.

Where's the substance in your post? Is name calling it?

[Tinoire]

34. Whoa... What you Eablair3 said! :) n/t

[JohnKleeb]

35. wish I could do that but I am a softie

Actually in real life I have a rotten temper but its things like "DK dont have a chance" that make me more sad than angry. As I may say again we have to fight for what we believe in and support reform that not only will help us on the indidivual level but the others and the whole world.

[Tinoire]

43. I agree! Fight for what we believe in!

I have the same rotten temper but it only rarely flares up.... Last time it did, I heaved one of Renoir's bronzes at his grand-son and through a bay window- a good time was had by all (sarcasm) except the cleaning crew that spent days unsuccessfully trying to get all the glass out of the carpet. Temper, temper- not good at all... SO right- fight for what you believe in and support reform!

Peace and love and all that good stuff ;)

[DemBones DemBones]

36. Pretty subtle smear, Sunshine. Neither Dennis nor his

supporters are to blame for someone *you* identify as a "Kucinich partisan" sending you an "anti-Dean" e-mail emphasizing Justin Raimondo's article about Dean.

A guy named Nico Something wrote a "Vote for Dean, he's progressive" bit that was online a couple of weeks ago. It was also spammed to mailing lists for Kucinich supporters (and others, but I'm not sure which of the other candidates' supporters were targeted.)

A lousy tactic, spamming, but I don't blame Dean or Dean's supporters for Nico's acts.

I also wouldn't assume that someone who agreed with Nico's piece about Dean necessarily agreed with any of his other opinions, whatever they might be. Similarly, someone may agree with some of Justin Raimondo's posiions without agreeing with all of his positions.

[JohnKleeb]

37. Nico Pitlai or something like that

Also the spamming part is true as hell,

[DemBones DemBones]

38. Nico Pitney, I think it was. Thanks, John!