Nativity Creche may be on my village property. What would you do?

[in_cog_ni_to]

The area is like a little "town Square" park-like area. It has the "Welcome to "village name" " sign and the Mayor of "village name" sign. It USE to be village property, but it's right across the street from the Nazarene University and the University is buying up property around the campus faster than I can blink. The University may own this little plot of land. Why would the University own our village sign and land it's on? If they do own it, I can't say anything, but I need to find out who owns it now. Who should I call? The Mayor's office? If the village does own the property should I ask them when they will be putting up the Menorah and the Kwanzaa kinaras? Or should I just keep my big TAX PAYING mouth shut? The Creche is right smack dab in front of the city sign. What would you do? Please don't flame me. This stuff truly offends me. If they had a Menoarah and a Kinaras next to the Creche I wouldn't say a thing, but they don't. :( Christians are not the only people who pay taxes in this town.

OK. Can I have your opinions without flames? :hi:

[evil genius]

1. i hear ya

but mostly I'm not offended by all the plastic jesus stuff. at some point you have to live and let live. If you insist, the state/borough/county recorder's office can tell you who owns the land depending on where you are.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. how about that chunk you spend to kill Innocent children?nativity scene?

[imenja]

3. In Fl they have the opposite

They display Menorahs and then people complain because nativity scenes aren't allowed.
I personally wouldn't worry about it, because I think there are far more important battles to wage. But if it truly bothers you, if you truly feel offended, then write a letter or call. The local ACLU branch might help.
You need to know for sure if the land is public or private, because obviously that makes all the difference.

[Higans]

4. putting up the Menorah and the Kwanzaa kinaras good idea

Thats what I would do. Put them there myself as a symbol that My town accepts all Human Kind. Every one should do this. How can any one be offended?

P.S. Letter to Santa Can My Children please have Transparent Election? i.e. auditing and paper ballots. This is all I will ask for every year.That is all my children will ask for too. It is all that their children will ask for. In fact the verry moment that any child finds out that Santa is not real, that child should also be informed that the elections are rigged. That way we get Both lie's done at one time.

[Ardee]

5. Good luck

If it is University property I doubt you will make any headway with Nazarene U......dontcha think they might approve of a creche? :think:

I sort of agree that failing to display any reference to Chanuka or Kwanza is shortsighted but , as you suggest that this is a small town I'd either let it go or do as suggested and call the ACLU.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. That's why I need to find out if the University owns the property.

If they do own it, of course they approve of it and there's not a darn thing I can do about it.. That was one of my points. :think:

[Ardee]

23. much ado about nothing

In the immortal words of Airplane the movie...chump dont want no help chump dont get no help.

Keep your snippy bullshit in the barn ,farmer Brown...no more for you.

[enigmatic]

6. In the grand scheme of life...

worrying about this in my mind rates about as high as what Butch Patrick is up to these days, and I'm not a Christian.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. If it wasn't for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson I probably wouldn't

give a shit. These people must be stopped. The local level seems to be the place to start. We haven't worried about this kind of thing for so many years and now we have them taking over our school boards and local government. I just don't want my son to have to stand in school while all of his Christian friends are saying their prayers. That's where this stuff is leading to. Give them a Nativity on public property and we will soon be giving them prayers in public school. :shrug:

[enigmatic]

13. I don't agree

But if it means this much to you, knock yourself out.

[orpupilofnature57]

9. well i am, and i couldn't agree more.

[Vinnie From Indy]

10. Rock On!

While your at it, demand that a FESTIVUS Pole be placed on the village plot along side the other symbols.

[DrWeird]

11. Get some halloween pitchforks and devil horns.

The rest should be self explanatory.

[knitter4democracy]

12. Oooh--which one? I went to Mount Vernon Nazarene

Yeah, I know, I know, but if I hadn't, I don't think I'd be the liberal I am today. There's nothing like seeing the logical extension of what they say to make you run like hell.

If it's Mount Vernon, prepare for a fight. I was there when Bush I lost to Clinton, and I remember just how bad it was: serious freeper land. Which is why it's so odd to have Kenyon College just over in Gambier . . .

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. It's Olivet University.

If it's their property now there's no fight. They have a right to put the Nativity on their own property. My issue is if it's PUBLIC property, the village should either remove it or add a Menorah and a Kwanzaa kinaras.

[knitter4democracy]

15. Oh, Man, uhhhhh

Olivet runs that place. I'd bet they own the land, frankly, seeing as they tend to be pretty careful about potential lawsuits. *Shiver*

I grew up in their region (used to be Nazarene), and they had a pastor they'd send around to all the churches to talk parents into sending their kids there who used to say, honestly, "Praise the Lord and Olivet-uh!" My mom and I used to get the giggles every time. He had that odd speech pattern some southern preachers have (but was soooo white) and always added an "uh" to the end of Olivet and other words. I was the rebel in my church who went to Mount Vernon (aka "The Naz"), and I never heard the end of it. Now I'm Eastern Orthodox, so they've all written me off. :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. LOL! Good memories of Olivet I see!

:7 I'm literally surrounded by the Olivet Nazarene teachers, students and church goers. The students end up staying here and get jobs at our public schools. :( My immediate neighbor, right next door, works at the University, the neighbor across the street is a teacher and our school board is run by them and the principal of my son's school is Nazarene. Feel sorry for me? I do! I feel sorry for me. ;) I want to move. I hate this town now.

[knitter4democracy]

18. My sister-in-law's there now

I was trained as a teacher--Nazarenes are kind of known for that. Don't be too sad, though, Nazarenes actually aren't fundamentalists (just evangelicals), and once you get through the teacher program, you're usually a lot more understanding and open than people who, say, major in business. The biggest problems tend to be religion and business majors.

You know, none of our friends from college are Nazarene anymore. Hmm. Maybe enforced chapel isn't such a good idea. ;) You want to make their heads explode? Ask them to explain why the Manual has changed when it comes to social mores if the Bible hasn't. Hee, hee! (Women used to be prohibited from wearing earrings, makeup and pants--all allowed now. All forms of dancing used to be banned, but they allow some now. Stuff like that--they don't like to admit that they change with society)

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. dupe.

[orpupilofnature57]

19. How bout them red sox ?

[amazona]

20. can't you check county records for who owns the land?

Go to your County CLerk or Assessor and ask her to show you how to check records to find out who owns a certain parcel of land.

If it is public land, your religion should be represented, be you pagan, Jew, or what have you, if other religions are represented.

If it is private land, just let it be.

I wouldn't make a public fuss until I had a copy of the record and knew for CERTAIN that city or country land was being used to spout religion. No use making enemies to no purpose. However, if a wrong is being committed, kudos to you for standing up. We do not need to see more and more public space being given up to private religious causes.

[blondeatlast]

21. This would just feed into the "liberals are robbing us of Christams" BS.

I'd seriously let this one slide; remember that Hannukah isn't a major holiday.

My hubby celebrates Duwali, my sis-in-law celebrates Ramadan, and the whole lot of us celebrate Christmas/Solstice/whatever.

If you are passionate enough, find out who owns the property then follow through.

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. Sneak over there in the middle of the night and swipe baby Jesus........

and replace it with a Spongebob Squarepants doll.
That'll show 'em.

[SemperEadem]

24. or....

you can mix up a strong bottle of fertilizer and burn a pentagram in the grass beside it :evilgrin:

[UdoKier]

25. Just because there is a Nativity doesn't mean there needs to be a menorah.

It simply means that they need to allow anyone who wants to display a menorah to do so. Same with Kwanzaa decorations (even though Kwanzaa has no religious significance).

Why should you be offended by a nativity? It's just as likely some community group asked to put it there and the village said yes. If you have something you would like to display, why don't you ask to display it? With all the death and destruction going on paid for with your tax dollars, why are you fretting about a little diorama?