On Malloy! "Katherine" from BBV org explaining Bev Harris "situation"

[Chicago Democrat]

Bev is legit, just totally busy and stressed.

[Chicago Democrat]

1. I have always imagined this... Our money went for the FOIA requests

Plus she is busy with her audit.

[tridim]

2. Fine, why didn't she just say that

instead of going off the deep end and making herself sound nuts?

I've never doubted Bev until today.

[Robbien]

7. All I can say is that she has dealt with the BBV situation

day in and day out for over three years.

For most of us BBV is only a part of our lives and that partial participation is stressful.

[ShaneGR]

3. What I don't understand...

Is why would she go to Florida to film a documentary when she could have been in Ohio where Diebold is based and all of the sh*t was hitting the fan.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. What makes you think Florida is out of the picture?

[laheina]

17. It's gonna be hard to make anything stick there

when jeb is pulling all of the strings. Ohio is a better bet.

[LeftyMom]

26. The story from the BBVer speaking at the CA 51 capital march on Sunday

was that they focused on Florida because they felt that the issues there were more technological and that this was thier organization's strength. The Ohio issuse were more traditional methods of vote supression that weren't voting machine related and were outside of thier focus. They wanted to comple a switch to more transparent voting machines more than they wanted to reveal clear fraud in this election. He also said that they expect to have the truth in a matter of *months* (what the hell the point of that is I have no idea!)

I can't say I agree but that's what the guy (whose name escapes me, does someone who was there recall it?) said.

ETA: Florida. They focused on Florida. I shouldn't type long posts when I'm tired.

[laheina]

29. Yeah.

I was looking at it from a perspective of winning the election. BBV's focus is even broader than that. BBV is really a nationwide, every state, deal. So really, she has 50 times the work of the recount in Ohio right now.

[alfredo]

12. Ohio is covered. Others are hitting the problem

from a different direction. The recount will be a good object lesson for the rest of the country.

[ShaneGR]

13. But I thought Bev was the premier BBV organization?

So why not go to the premier state, with the biggest problems and the best likelihood for an overturn? Florida vote difference was well over 300k. It just doesn't make sense to me, why be the lead on this whole BBV thing for the last two years and then not go to GROUND ZERO of the battle.

It's being handled by others? I don't agree with that.

[alfredo]

24. The people who are contesting the Ohio election are aware

of the machines and will be challenging the results from these machines. It isn't just fraud by Blackwell and gang, but the results in precincts on optical scans show some troubling problems.

There are good lawyers working there, Don't worry they will be putting the machines under the scope.

[AP]

38. 70% of OH is still punchcard, I believe. BBV stopped them from getting

electronic machines. Furthermore, that Berkeley study concluded that it didn't look like there were e-vote related discrepancies in OH.

It doesn't look like there's much to do in OH.

However, in FL there were three counties that look to have big E-vote problems.

[GregD]

23. for starters, there is very little "BBV" in Ohio

The activists "headed them off at the pass", and most of Ohio is punch card. There are only a few e-voting counties.

That's why the Triad story is so important there. But it's not Bev's specialty.

[Must_B_Free]

4. Oh how "cute"

What is your "intention" with the "quotes"?

[Chicago Democrat]

8. Well I just heard her first name, that's why I used quotes on the name

as for the quote around the word situation, that is grammatically unnecessary but sort like indicating uncertainty.

Language "mavens" are annoying

[laheina]

18. and there are so many around here, as of late. nt

[gmoney]

5. But calling RANDI is more IMPORTANT than doing the work

Don't you people know that? If it doesn't revolve around Randi, it's just a big screw job. And if Bev doesn't report in to Randi, then she must be off galavanting and squandering donations.

Maybe Bev is screwing up, but I think it's a matter of biting off more than she could chew, not anything devious or malicious. But who knows? Maybe she did screw over Andy whatshisname... ugh, the drama.

[ShaneGR]

16. Things to know about Bev....

#1: Repeatedly threatened and harassed DU after DU helped make her famous. Was banned and let back several times and finally banned permanently.

#2: Randi isn't the only one saying Bev never got back to her after repeated messages, Keith Olberman says the same thing and repeats the allegations made by DU that she is threatening to staff and constantly threatens legal action.

[TrustingDog]

44. to your point #1:

I knew about Bev waaaaay before finding DU. Bev posting here is what made me stick around. So for me, the opposite applies.

[Walt Starr]

40. that's what was said about Olberman

and Skinner.

[nascarblue]

49. SHe used Randi for money and attention and thats all.....

Im just curious to know how much she made. Was it $5000? 20,000?

[Nordic]

6. why are we all depending on Bev? We should be SCREAMING for a full-scale

investigation, funded by our tax dollars, and insisted on by our OWN GODDAMN PARTY.

What the fuck is wrong with the United States of America that there's some lone, stressed out, freaked out woman trying to make sure our votes count?

WHAT THE FUCK?

[Chicago Democrat]

9. Exactly ... I'm not depending on anyone cept the lawyers and pros

like the Greens and the other groups.

THe Ohio hearing was great progress.

[laheina]

19. I sent my money

to the greens. We all need to work together on this.

[WildClarySage]

10. Fuckin' A

*applauds*

[UL_Approved]

14. No shit

This is EVERYBODY'S responsibility, not just Bev Harris's. This should be pursued by masses of people, not just one retired grandmother.

YOU PEOPLE AREN'T HELPING UNLESS YOU ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTE WORK TO BBV AND SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS. Quit whining and get off your asses.

[laheina]

20. That's not necessarily true.

There are other ways that people can contribute. Send money, write letters to media outlets encouraging them to cover these issues, and speak up. We need to get the word out and fund the efforts, in addition to doing as much volunteer work as we can in this busy season.

What's more, we need to make ourselves heard by our party so we won't be put in this position again.

[symbolman]

30. Good idea

go to BUzzflash.com and buy our movie ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION - a premium there..

[billie_]

27. NO SHIT NORDIC...I hear ya! n/t

[NuttyFluffers]

34. you are like the voice of sanity repeatedly.

perhaps you are a sagitarrian.

born between nov 20 and dec 20?

[Nordic]

37. thanks, but no, I'm aquarius

I like to step away from the arguing mob and think about the big picture.

I remember even doing that as a kid.

As soon as everybody gets hysterical and starts screaming at each other, there's usually something wrong with the bigger picture.

[SmokingJacket]

Absolutely.

The fate of democracy shouldn't depend on Bev, for chrissakes.

Frankly, if I were in her her shoes (that is, in a position I might justifiably feel as Defender of All Democracy) I might begin behaving a little... erratically.

She should be one of millions, and then maybe her hissy fits wouldn't count for so much.

[seemslikeadream]

15. Explain this

Andy no longer with BBV

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=158964&mesg_id=158964

[whirlygigspin]

21. I think the stress is getting to her

and you know, yes she's a pit bull in the fight, maybe she's just at a breaking point.

Even Randi is stressed out with the threats.

Remember, these people they're up against are real killers who'd do anything to win and do--that's why I don't think this will change without VERY solid evidence, so be careful, please.

[seemslikeadream]

25. From Andy

God_bush_n_cheney (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-14-04 10:23 PM
Response to Original message

107. I just want to hop on this thread and thank....


everyone out there who has called, DU mailed, emailed and/or posted support to this thread.

I would just like to formally state...that the first time I heard of this action by the board of directors was when a fellow activist emailed me and told me to look at the Black Box Voting Web site a few minutes ago. It is regrettable that Ms. Harris has not returned the dozens of phone calls I have placed to her in the past 5 days.

I appreciate that I have been off of the radar screen for the past couple of weeks. My beloved sister Janice passed away on Nov 30th 2004 after a long battle with sarcoidosis and I went to Texas to be with my family.

My greatest sadness at this moment comes from the fact that if Ms Harris was so dissatisfied with my work that she contemplated taking this action particularly in such a public, inaccurate, and humiliating way, that she would have done so a month ago when I asked for and was denied leave to go home for a few days to visit my sister and say goodbye. My family had learned at that time that, Jan would not live to see Christmas and that if I wished to visit her one last time while she lived it needed to be then but my contribution to Black Box Voting was deemed so critical that I was denied leave for those few days. Yet here I am now very publicly unemployed.

I will not post any further on this matter this evening and I hope you will understand. I will be exploring my options over the next few days. With gratitude and love for all your support...

Sincerely,
Andy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=158964&mesg_id=159562&page=

[Kelvin Mace]

22. BullSh*t - Bev just made Andy Stephenson her scape goat

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/blame_andy.htm

This is a copy of what she just deleted from her site.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[pig.]

28. HOW ABOUT ONE OF YOU

go do what she does? and have your name and all you do strewn all over the place so people can tell you what you're doing wrong. It is pretty damn easy to sit here and say what a bad job she's doing and accuse her of squandering donations or whatever... but my god! she's doing an AWFUL LOT!! she DID FILE the biggest FOIA request in history. uh, remember that?

and as far as firing someone... none of us know what really happened. i am not picking sides here, because i don't know what really happened but considering what she's doing i'm amazed at some of the rhetoric here. and if she is sitting on lawsuits, then why would you expect her to make evidence public????

[UL_Approved]

31. Damn good point

IF she is in litigation, she CANNOT legally release information to the public yet. She must maintain silence.

This calling out tactic seems to be a widespread troll campaign.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. It is Florida's manner to try to gag activist.

They do it all the time.

[Pastiche423]

32. Go do what she does?

I care more about democracy than about my ego.

[uncle ray]

33. here's a little advise

look, i've been here over two years, only registered a year ago. maybe you should read more and post less? you clearly don't have the background info here to make a proper judgement.

filing the biggest FOIA request doesn't impress me, know what a "document dump" is? it's one of those things i've learned during my lurking, not spouting off every time i get angry.

as far as i'm concerned none of the voting fraud will ever see the inside of a courtroom, and if it does, it will go nowhere. make the info public, nothing will happen about election fraud until millions of people are aware of what the fuck is going on, or even COULD be.

and many, MANY people on this board are doing a thousand times more than you or I ever dreamed of to save this country. just because you or I may be keyboard warriors doesn't mean they all are.

[diamondsoul]

35. THANK YOU!!

I gotta say I'm incredibly disappointed in DU posters right now. I don't doubt DU staff had legitimate reasons for banning Bev but that doesn't prevent me being sad about it. Moreover I was here throughout the Primaries watching while ever thread Bev started was infested with accusations of "tin foil hatter" and "conspiracy nutter". She couldn't defend herself and given the work she's been doing I can understand why it would piss her off.

I went through what Bev has been going through. I ran a state campaign with little backup from volunteers. People say they'll do thus and so and then don't show to do the job and THEN it's all your fault for not overseeing better. Well damn, people, when we're counting on support and instead get naysayers and tin foil hatter commentary it's not exactly cause for good cheer, stability in the face of overwhelming stress and clear thinking. We're too busy worrying about all the shit that needs to get done that isn't because people won't follow through on promises!

[Trajan]

39. Diamond ? ...

IF one looks at the poster's names on these threads: one can begin to see a regular pattern of regular participants engaging in regular attacks ....

MOST DUers are disgusted by both sides of this debacle now ... the ugliness of the attacks are more significant than some of the the issues discussed .... It is pitiful ...

But dont blame it on ALL of us ... very few actually enter these threads ...

I praise Bev for her hard work, as I praise every one of the BBV crew for their efforts: ...

I dont even hear the small minded accusations anymore ....

[Walt Starr]

41. After watching the BBV soap opera from day one...

It is my considered opinion that Ms. Harris is whacked out.

[jarab]

42. On the assumption that we are still

permitted an opinion on a very public figure ... I agree completely, Walt.
...O...

[Must_B_Free]

46. Well to be honest

I kind of thought that about YOU when you dragged us off on that red herring about Bush wearing medals he didn't earn, but I forgave you.

[MissB]

47. Big difference

Walt's heart was clearly in the right place, and when he learned that he was wrong, he posted. Right away.

And, he didn't spark massive flame wars.

[Walt Starr]

50. The difference, as I see it

Is I followed that to the conclusion and posted the information openly. It didn't go the way I wanted it to, but I fessed up.

Bev hasn't. she's blown the "evidence is coming any time now" bullshit for two years and has yet to present a thing.

[Cleita]

43. I appreciate what Bev has done up to date, but.....

If she is going to be a leader in the voting fraud issue, she needs to unite her base, not piss it off. When the first battle involved a since tombstoned DUer and caused her to be banned the first time, I knew from others that the particular DUer involved was a nut case and had caused problems on other websites so I forgave Bev. We all make mistakes. Right?

However, it seems like she can't get along with anyone who gets too close to her and I find that very counter-productive. I wish her the best in the future and I hope she continues to fight the cause, but it will be without my support.

There are other more level heads now involved in the process and that's where I am concentrating my energies in the future.

[nascarblue]

48. WHile I do appreciate someone shedding light on this issue....

..SHe has a long track record of being an oppurtunist. SO while I applaud her doing the work she does, I cannot support her because 1. she does more harm than good whenever she gets attention and ends up f%$#'ing up. 2. Anyone who's ever worked with her says she's impossible 3. She lies. 4. She takes peoples money and gets nothing done.

I don't know about you, but I learned my lesson a couple years ago when she pulled that plea for money scam on the blackbox voting book and then wanted to SELL it. Ask Chris about her at the other blackboxvoting.com. NOT .org

[haifagirl1]

45. yeah, right!!!!!!!!!!