Police Investigate 11 Year Old Boy For Being "Un-American"

[Oilwellian]

When the two plainclothes Loudoun County sheriff's investigators showed up on her Leesburg doorstep, Pamela Albaugh got nervous. But when they told her why they were there, she got angry: A complaint had been filed alleging that her 11-year old son had made "anti-American and violent" statements in school.

<snip>
Albaugh described her son as a rambunctious student who has long opposed armies of any kind. He refused the Veterans Day assignment and told his teacher that the Marines "might as well die, as much as I care." Whatever was said, the words had been the source of anguished conferences, phone calls and, ultimately, a day of in-school suspension.

Albaugh thought the whole thing was resolved in school until Investigators Robert LeBlanc and Kelly Poland showed up last week. What followed, she said, was two hours of polite but intense and personal questioning.

They asked how she felt about 9/11 and the military. They asked whether she knows any foreigners who have trouble with American policy. They mentioned a German friend who had been staying with the family and asked whether the friend sympathized with the Taliban. They also inquired whether she might be teaching her children "anti-American values," she said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64726-2004Dec14?language=printer

[bahrbearian]

1. And Her Response ..."Zieg Heil" !

[gorbal]

72. For all those who haven't read 1984

A gift, the entire novel online-
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

I must admit though, I couldn't finish it.

[Tesla]

2. OMG!!!

Now you can't even express an opinion.
I don't even want to say "what next"?
I think we better all better bend over and kiss our freedom goodbye!

[Person_Of_Interest]

45. Uhh I may be wrong but...

I think you meant to say bend over and take it up the ass...I don't know I may be wrong though...On the other hand I guess it could be next :shrug: :hurts:

[Sugarbleus]

70. LMAO!!!

:7

[Sannum]

3. sigh

:eyes:

[Sanity Claws]

4. This is truly frightening.

[WindRavenX]

5. An 11- year old kid??

For fuck's sake, what the hell is this coming too??

[LizW]

6. What should one do if this happens?

Seriously, what legal right do the authorities have to come into one's home and ask these questions?

My 12 year old son is pretty outspoken, and we live in a very conservative area. I wonder how I would have reacted if this had happened to us.

This woman thought the whole thing was resolved and her child had been disciplined, but now someone shows up appearing to be investigatind HER behavior and parenting?

Do you have to let investigators into your home? What happens if you don't? Do you have to answer questions?

Have we reached the point where we need to have the name of an attorney handy in case the knock on the door comes?

[appal_jack]

23. you don't have to answer s*%t

The fact is that the founding fathers are rolling in their graves with even the threat of this nonsense from any American entity. But here we go... words to guide you from the ACLU:

Q: What if agents appear at my door and do not have a search warrant?

A: You do not have to let the police into your home or allow them to search your home. You have the right to remain silent and do not have to answer their questions. It is a good idea to talk to a lawyer before agreeing to answer questions. You do not have to talk to anyone, even if you have been arrested or are in jail. Only a judge can order you to answer questions

Q: Can agents search my home or office?

A: Police or other law enforcement agents cannot enter and search your home unless you give them permission, or unless they have a search or arrest warrant. A warrant, which you may ask to see, is a court order specifying the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. If there is no warrant, you should say clearly that you have not given your consent and that the search is against your wishes. Interfering with an unauthorized search probably will not stop it, and you might get arrested. Your roommate or guest can legally consent to a search of your house if the police believe that person has the authority to give consent. Police and law enforcement need a warrant to search an office, but your employer can consent to a search of your workspace without your permission.

More can be found at: http://www.laaclu.org/News/2004/March31KnowYourRights.htm

including the particulars of a very disturbing court ruling that affects Texas and surrounding states (surprise!), and much more about the right to not answer questions, etc..

I find that it helps to know all of the fourth amendment and at least the last bit of the fifth amendment (from whence we get the phrase "taking the 5th") verbatim:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

A nicely-organized copy of our Constitution (which remains the supreme law of the land despite what the current *-junta may tell you) can be found at:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

Use it well!

-app

[Ready2Snap]

52. PatriotAct ll - Kiss the Constitution Good-bye

If Patriot Act 2 a.k.a. the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003 is passed (and they passed Pat. Act 1 w/o even reading it!), the ACLU and every other individual-freedom-advocate org. will be crushed.
And anyone can be labelled an "enemy combatants" and disappear. Go to -

http://infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm

and read the whole thing. I suggest you take a crap first to avoid laundry problems and acquire a supply of Tranqs and sleeping aids.
If you don't know who Alex Jones is and what he's done to expose what the government is planning, this will scare the holy livin' s**t out of you.
Hell, it would scare the s**t out of George Orwell.
Here's a small sample:
"The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship."

[Syrinx]

68. wasn't that stuff just passed?

Wasn't it slipped into the "Intelligence Reform Act" that was recently passed?

[LizW]

63. Thank you!

That is exactly what I was looking for!

[seaj11]

7. attacking her parenting...way too far!

But couldn't she have kicked them out instead of suffering two hours of questioning?

p.s. like your screenname, G. Oilwellian! :D

[Oilwellian]

11. Thanks :D n/t

[Toby109]

8. "And a child shall lead them"

[mahatmakanejeeves]

9. Loudoun County? No Surprise

The Rethuglican Party, with bags of cash from real estate developers, took over the Board of Supervisors last year. Immediately, the new board members set out to repay their benefactors.

There's a good reason this is where Santorum lives.

[ObaMania]

58. No $hit. I live in Loudoun and..

..the stink of rethugs is pretty hard to wash off. They're all around here. To me, they are basically a bunch of white trash that got lucky from AOL.

Check it out.. as soon as AO-smell announces layoffs, tons of mcMansions go on the market. Quite laughable.

.. and I thought I was moving my family to a nice place to live.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Oh goodie ... thought police

How double plus good of them to come for a visit.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Loudoun County ... aka Lowdown County .... aka Lockdown County

The county where the reTHUGlicans are king. Btw, also the home of one James "Crossfire" Carville and his wife .... whutsername ...... (I know what her name is, thanks)

[TexasChick]

13. This is becoming absolutely ridiculous! Good grief!! Gestapo, anybody?

Welcome to the new NaziAmerika!

[deadparrot]

14. Honestly, that seems like a typical "I'm 11, I don't give a shit" attitude

My brother acted like that when he was 11, too. Boys aren't terribly emotional (that, or they don't want to show it) so they go on a macho streak.

It's called puberty.

[kk897]

49. When I was 15,

in World History class they announced that Regan had been shot, and they turned on the television. I said, "I hope he dies." Boy did I get flack for that...from my fellow students. If incident happened now instead of then, I'll bet the flack would be from more than just my fellow students. Heck, I'd probably be labelled a "dissident," or maybe even "enemy combatant."

[Solly Mack]

15. They hate us for our freedoms...oh, it's true...it's just the "they"

is our own government.

[mermaid]

67. No, They Don't Hate Us For Our Freedoms, They Hate Us For....

Being able to engage in critical thought and having independent opinions...for not buying into the swill and the lies they want all Americans to swallow and accept at face value, without questioning.

You are right about the "THEY" it is definitely our own government that hates us...but it isn't for our freedoms they hate us. It is for EXERCISING those freedoms that they hate us. It is for engaging in CRITICAL THINKING and INDEPENDENT THOUGHT that they hate us.

[SheilaT]

16. If a couple of investigators

showed up at my door to question me about my kid's opinions, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. Well, maybe I'd have them read the entire Constitution and pass a written quiz on it first.

At least she had the good sense to contact the media about this.

[tsuki]

36. They'd return with HRS and snatch your kid.

[SheilaT]

50. Let them try.

They really can't take my kid from me just because he expresses independent political thought.

The most important thing is that none of us let ourselves be cowed by this kind of crap.

[tsuki]

54. In Florida, HRS snatched a Downs child because her mother

complained to school officials in Okaloosa County that her child was getting off the bus with bruises. The school officials accused her of abuse and it took over a year to get the child back.

Kudos to the NW Daily News on this one.

[SheilaT]

59. Ah, yes Florida.

That great state that can't keep track of many of the children in the welfare system. At least one child has disappeared totally.

Stories like that are horrifying. But they shouldn't stop any of us from standing up for our right to speak out. That's the kind of intimidation fascist states do so well.

[tsuki]

62. More than one. It is easy to stand up for your rights, but not if they

can retaliate against your child.

[mermaid]

66. Disappeared?

Yeah, I'll bet one child HAS disappered entirely. Probably spoke up against Bush, and the HRS people probably shot the kid in the head, buried it in an unmarked grave at midnight, and then reported the kid as completely missing.

Nothing would shock me anymore, these people are Nazis in every sense of the word!

[SheilaT]

73. That's truly disgusting.

To suggest that kids have been murdered this way.

No, what's happened is that due to incompetence (which includes underfunding the department and overworking the social workers) children have been lost track of and no one knows where they are.

The specific case I'm familiar with is of a little girl who was placed in foster care, and then at some point someone, supposedly another Social Services person, came to the house and took the little girl away. The foster parents have no idea exactly who took her, where she went. The foster care system has no records of the girl being placed in another home. The biological mother is distraught to say the least. This was at least two years ago.

[mermaid]

75. You're Right - It Is Disgusting

but it still wouldn't surprise me. Republicans are disgusting.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

83. Damn STRAIGHT...this is EXACTLY what I plan to do when the nazis arrive

A BIG FUCK OFF, then immediately contacting the media and my lawyer. They wouldn't even cross the dooor threshold...

JB

[OutsourceBush]

17. nazi bastards

[tabasco]

18. This is for the best. We must win the Great War On Terror !!

[AnIndependentTexan]

19. what happens when daycare students start saying it?

are toddlers going to be locked up as well?

[passy]

27. What happens when university students start saying it?

Will they use the Patriot act on them? Are DUers next?

[OneBlueSky]

20. since when was being unpatriotic a criminal offense? . . .

and just who the hell decides what's unpatriotic? . . . more scary shit brought to you by BushCo and BFEE . . . coming to your town soon . . .

[SammyBlue]

21. My country is doomed

Police have become the government's hit squad. More so.

G-d help us all.

And, of course, this is Virginia, home of Jerry Fatwell!

[LuCifer]

22. THIS IS SO RETARDED

While law enforcement is pissing away precious and valuable time on shit like this, an 11 year old no less (WHO is REALLY the ANTI-American fuckers?), instead of on TERRORIST (but enough about republiKKKans! Uh oh! That might just earn ME a goddamn visit from these Nazi bastards.) there really ARE TERRORIST OUT THERE WHO WANT ALL OF US D-E-A-D. And, the al Qaida (or however it's spelled this week!) turds DO NOT CARE if we support asshole W* OR NOT. THEY WANT ALL OF US DEAD, KAPUT, KILLED. And thanks to pigs like this harrassing REAL Americans who value REAL FREEDOMS (you know, FREEDOMS, the ones that the TERRORISTS supposedly HATE US FOR?) they are literally aiding and abedding terrorists. And, I consider anyone who goes along with this Nazi crap a true terrorist to America and shame on them. Fuck your T-shirt police and "Howard Stern said BUTT on the radio quick! Call the FCC!" garbage; go build a time machine and SEE YA! Off to 1937 Germany for you! And see where THAT got them? The SAME fate is coming to you REAL freedom haters...

EVOLUTION IS COMING TO GET YOU!

Lu Cifer, GIVE THAT KID A MEDAL AND SEND THOSE PIGS TO GITMO
http://www.LU13.TK
http://www.MidnightCalling.com

[tsuki]

38. But hey, if the government can't find Osama Bin Laden, at least they can

find an 11-year old.

[RUDUing2]

24. so when do you think the govt. will come out with books for parents on

how to raise *good americans*....and require all expecting parents to take classes on *raising good american children*?

[fishwax]

28. I'm sure it won't be long, whether it's the gov't or some other entity

As a result of a research project on a tangential topic this semester I began reading about the "Sociological Department" that Henry Ford began at his company. The officers of the sociological dept. would visit employee houses to make sure the food they served, their home decor, their mannerisms, etc. were sufficiently "American." Sometimes it seems frighteningly plausible for such a thing to come back in style.

[Southpaw Bookworm]

77. Not from the government

But from "experts" who are hand-in-hand with the Talibornagain, Repuke agenda: James Dobson, John Rosemond, the Ezzos, William Bennett, Lynne Cheney. It all comes down to not questioning what you're told by authority figures and never, ever disobeying.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

25. Don't think that Hitler left the world. He may very well still be here.

:scared:

:argh:

[passy]

26. For those familiar with the Dead Kennedys

" Welcome to 1984
Are you ready for the third world war?!?
You too will meet the secret police
They'll draft you and they'll jail your niece "

from " We've Got A Bigger Problem Now "

check here for the rest of the lyrics http://www.lyricsdomain.com/4/dead_kennedys/weve_got_a_bigger_problem_now.html

This is a reworking of their classic " California Uber Alles ".

So Jello Biafra was right like Orwell, just a few years off and the wrong republican president.

[Trajan]

29. 'Asked whether the friend sympathised with the Taliban' ? ...

Ehem ..... GEORGE BUSH adored the Taliban as soon as he took office ....

They fell all over themselves praising the Taliban .... Didnt care a lick about Osama ....

Something about a pipeline that interested them ...

Sympathised with the Taliban ? ... Ask GEORGE about that ....

[against all enemies]

30. Does she know any foreigners that APPROVE of American policy?

Are we the dumbest people on earth?

[noiretextatique]

82. yes

we are hands down the dumbest people on earth.

[Not_Giving_Up]

31. As the parent of a soon to be eleven year old very outspoken boy

this is spooky. We're in a red state, but it's no secret that we don't agree with the way things are going. I don't think that my son would say anything quite like that, as my brother is deployed, and he adores his uncle very much. However, I was told that when their school held mock debates and elections, a friend of his booed at the kid playing * and was sent to the office for it. His mother was pissed...but didn't really do anything about it. Since when is booing something that you get sent to the office for?

Back to the original topic...The thought police don't want to come knocking on my door. They will find a family of people who will think for themselves no matter what. I'm known for being quite stubborn!

[SmokingJacket]

32. The next time it happens, it won't make the news.

I used to think, when I heard of stuff like this, oh, well, another extreme example. No need to get our panties in a twist, there's always some cop or something who goes too far... good thing the media's on top of it and keeping people in line.

But I have a real sense these days that things like this will keep happening, and soon it will be Normal. In fact, the purpose of the story is to MAKE us get used to it.

How do you like the new normal?

I don't.

[samtob]

33. I wonder...

Here is another little snip from the article;

Yishai Asido, was assigned to write a letter to U.S. Marines and responded, according to his teacher, by saying, "I wish all Americans were dead and that American soldiers should die." Yishai and Albaugh deny that the boy wished his countrymen dead.

um, well, I would be a bit troubled if my 11 year came home from school and told me a classmate made this statement. I wouldn't run to the press, but, I would go to school.

another snip

Loudoun County Sheriff Stephen O. Simpson confirmed that investigators visited the house. "Whenever there is a complaint that a child in a school is using language that is threatening or with violent overtones, we have an obligation to look into it," he said. "We can't ignore something like that and have something tragic happen down the road that we could have prevented."

While they may have gone overboard a bit, but their explanation has merit. If they did nothing, and the boy actually ACTED violently in the near future.... everyone would be asking why they did nothing at all.

I hate stuff like this.. double edged sword.

[Roachman]

40. Concerns of violence don't lead to those questions...

Samtob,

I know what you are trying to say, but if they were really concerned with violence, they should have limited their questions to issues concerning violence. As soon as they start asking about political opinions, they aren't trying to stop violence, they are trying to oppress dissent.
If they were interested in the political questions because they wanted to use that to stop violence, they should have questioned the teacher and told her never to give an assignment that will upset kids who don't like to see Iraqis killed.

[Calvinist Basset]

56. I couldn't have made a better reply.

When I was around 11 years old, I had already started to feel very strongly about peace and justice issues. For some dumb reason, the church my family attended sang "God Bless America" every Sunday. I was so irritated by the blatant merging of religion and nationalism, I started making up my own words to the song.

I don't recall what those words were, but my mother heard me once and got really mad. She told me about how wonderful this country is and how I should be proud to live here and blah blah blah . . .

Well, I can't say I'm very proud of my nation right now. Instead of singing "God Bless America," I'd rather say, "God help us--please!"

In any case, I don't agree with the specific thing the child said. But there was no cause for such badgering by the police. Welcome to the U. S. (S. R.), comrades.

[One_Life_To_Give]

34. Next Step - Congressional Comittee on Un-American Activities?

They say history repeats itself.

[Tsiyu]

39. Do a google search for HUAC petition

There ARE Repukes who are trying to bring it back! DU has, well, had their say on this little petition but the fact is, Repukes are now fascists in the first order.

They don't CARE if we capture terrorists! The real enemy of Repukes is anyone who dislikes bloodlust and greed and gluttony. The real enemies of Repukes are those who care about the poor, about soldiers having what they need to survive their War for Oil. They hate anyone who thinks for himself, and this child ( and he is a CHILD) does just that.

When I tell people that Republicans are evil, cruel, fascist people with no concern in their hearts for anything but $$$$$$$ and power, this is what I'm talking about. May every one rot in hell.


And we can't figure out where Osama is! Idiots!

[Champ]

35. Here's an "unamerican" statement

America is far from the greatest country in the world thanks to Bush and the assholes who support him.

[Rex Ferine]

37. The quote in the thread title just is a bit off.

Nowhere in the article does the quotation "Police Investigate 11 Year Old Boy For Being "Un-American" appear. The actual newspaper headline reads "Va. Boy's Defiant Words Draw Police Response"

[Rainscents]

43. Our Beloved Country...

What happen to our beloved country? I'm afraid, we haven't seen nothing yet... wait until Bush gets sworn in for 2nd term, he is going to destroy everything! I AM SCARE and WANT TO CRY!!!

[morgan2]

47. but anti american do appear

same meaning, different phrase.

A complaint had been filed alleging that her 11-year old son had made "anti-American and violent" statements in school.

[Iris]

41. "inquired whether she might be teaching her children 'anti-American values

""??????????

What were they planning to do about it if she said "Yes"?

[Roachman]

42. Congratulate her for teaching accurate history?

But that's just a guess.

[Iris]

48. More likely put her in a stockade! n/t

[morgan2]

44. we should start filign complaints with the fbi over

the antiamerican attitude at FoxNews. Refer to their comentary as hate speech that is seeking to subvert the American way of life and our Constitution. Or better yet, file a complaint against the fbi for antiamerican behavior.

[Roachman]

46. And Bush!

Who is more anti-American than W?

[ExclamationPoint]

51. Good for the kid!

I sure am glad I lived in a blue state. I'm wearing my anti-bush t-shirt as soon as I get it in front of all those freeper freaks.Heres a story: My drama teacher was was impersonating a hillbilly who voted for bush and wanted her cow to be able to vote for bush, so I booed when her character said she would vote for bush. She then (only in character) called me a 'massachusetts liberal' and I cheered along with my jewish friend for the name. My parents were not notified. What a difference the state makes.

[dreamcollector]

53. I'M SO JEALOUS OF YOUR FREEDOM!!!

Canadian neighbour.

[Swede Atlanta]

55. Yes...and this is just the beginning

This is exactly how things began in Nazi Germany with people being accused of not supporting the German cause and of being "un-German". I recall a post here about a month ago saying that some nutcase had reported DU to Homeland Security saying that this was a subversive site. While I wanted to discount this as just the babbling of a nutjob, it is very clear to me that soon everything we say here will be subject to review by the authorities and that we may well all end up being investigated for "un-American" activities. This harkens back to the witch trials of the McCarthy era.

And of course the sheeple just sit back. As long as they can afford to put gas in the SUV, get tickets to the NASCAR race and dial up Domino for dinner while watching mindless "reality shows" on TV, they are fat, dumb and happy. And this is what this administration wants, automotrons.

Where is the outrage? I saw "an economist" being interviewed on one of the mind-dumming cable shows late last night gleefully hoping that shrub's second term would mean an end to taxes on dividends. And where is the outrage? Why do people who work for a living have their income subjected to tax while the fat cats who just sit back and collect dividends pay NOTHING?

I fear we have crossed the threshhold where all hope is lost. I hope I am wrong but I'm not very optimistic.

[Nordic]

57. this would be comical if it weren't totally scary

I'd have a real hard time keeping my mouth shut in such a situation. I'd say "yeah, I know a lot of people who have trouble with America's policies right now" and shit like that.

Good God.

Hellooooo Canada?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. holy shit! my 14 year old wrote this poem for an English assignment

can't imagine what they would have done to us if she were in this poor kids school :scared:

Terrorism

As the dust settles to the ground
Pale gray faces all around
Streams of tears run down the faces
So many people from so many places
Lost their lives and their loved ones
By terrorist acts of faceless someones
Questions ring throughout my mind
With answers I may never find
Why the hatred Why the death
I mumble underneath my breath
Will this change the world forever
Or will it bring us closer together
Three years later I'm still confused
About the power that's been abused
Now our bombs drop on innocent people
With devastation and terror just as equal
Ask this Question to yourself
Are they the terrorists or someone else?

[Rapcw]

61. WTF is this bullshit?

Am I going to have to look out for the S.W.A.T. next time i say something "anti-american" ?

[RUDUing2]

64. You know the scariest part of this?

Not one poster has said..
"there must be more to the story. Things like this don't happen in America"..

Shows you how much the US has changed since bushie boy took office..and how our civil liberties and freedom has been impacted.

5 yrs ago a story like this would have been met w/sceptism by most people...and cries of "we aren't being told the whole story"..

now (whether there is more to the story or not) we have no problem believing that it *could* have occured exactly as written.

Sad commentary on the state of liberty and freedom in the USA....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

74. i sadly concur

[mermaid]

65. WTF???

:wtf:

PLEASE tell me this is from The Pnion, or some such shit. Please tell me this isn't real.

Jesus Christ, it's like we are back in the days of McCarthyism!!

Don't we EVER learn from history?

[Southpaw Bookworm]

79. From the Washington Post

And be glad that this happened in the DC Metro area because otherwise this story wouldn't have seen the light of day -- If this had happened in some holler in WV, there's no doubt that the local rag wouldn't have seen fit to report on it, except perhaps to excoriate the parent and commend these honorable law enforcement officers.

:eyes:

[BlazeW]

69. Zero Tolerance Strikes Again

You don't know what its like in schools today. This kid got off easy with only a one day in-school suspension. I know kids who have done and said less and are now in alternative schools. School today is not about learning it is all about control.

[Sugarbleus]

71. Your response says it all for me...my grandson has been moved

to three alternative schools already! The ZERO tolerance thing is sooooooooooo fucked up. Kids can't have an individual thought, an individual emotion, a slip up of any kind, lest their education stream be totally interupted by sending them to this place and that. My grandson is showing signs of losing hope in his future.

I've encouraged him to agree to take some early college courses so he can continue in an environment of academic achievement. He is of Mexican decent with a 3.5 gpa BTW.

It is all I can do to keep him "positive". In my day,(ahem)if a kid acted out in a negative way, they got suspended or got detention, a few phone calls or whatever.. Today, they get the police on your ass, kick them out of school(or transfer) after more than three "incidents" in one whole school year, or send them to juvenile hall for a little condecending chat, sometimes they make them do volunteer work.

I'm ABSOLUTELY APPALLED at what the school considers "heinous" enough to remove or transfer kids for. FREE THOUGHT and room for mistakes in school are a thing of the past!

What this kid in the article did would warrant the treatment I described if he were in my community, which is bad enough. The kid shouldn't have popped off with the crap he said, but coming to the families home to "investigate" the parents is WAY OVER THE GDAMED TOP!

Public School has become a dangerous place to send our kids!

Now we have the BIG GUNS coming to homes? This pisses me off to NO END. Come to MY house and you are going to have to take ME to jail. :grr: ~~FILM AT 11~~

[mermaid]

76. Holy Shit, Is It REALLY That Bad In Public Schools Today?

Man, I woulda never made it past kindergarten in THAT environment...holy shit...as outspoken and opinionated as I am...and always was...no fuckin' way I woulda even made it out of kindergarten before getting shipped off to some "alternative school!"

Hell, I was labelled "emotionally disturbed" and placed in Special Education from first grade till fifth, because, back then, schools didn't know what to do with hyper-intelligent kids like me. I was not emotionally disturbed, I wasn't a bad kid...I just knew everything they were trying to teach at my grade level, already, and was bored off my ass!

At that age...it didn't occur to me that I was above average, I thought everyone else around me was STUPID. It never occurred to me that knowing the multiplication tables to twelve, and reading a newspaper were things a normal kindergartner could not do! Because I COULD!

So, needless to say, I made a lot of trouble and mayhem, because I was bored off my ass. It drove me crazy! Here I am, reading in the newspapers about the Space Shuttle and the Neutron Bomb, and the Jimmy Carter Administration...and multiplying up to 12 in my head...in KINDERGARTEN...and nothing drove me crazier than slow learners, and under-achievers. so what, in all their wisdom, did they do?? Stuck me in Special Education...with a shitload of slow learners and underachievers!

I had to go so far as to take control of my own education, and my parents helped in that regard...buying me complex books, textboooks, etc. I was reading at a ninth-grade level in the second grade!

FINALLY, they got it. The public school system got it because the fucking Illinois Supreme court MADE them get it. These bastards tried to ship me off to the Brown Schools. My parents fought it and fought it...and went so far as to appeal the case all the way up to the Illinois Supreme court, under Public Law 94-142 (I think that was it) and the public school system finally threw up it's hands on me, and paid my full tuition to a lab school attached to the University of Chicago.

I went to UC at the age of ten years old, and the public school system paid for it! this lab school I went to...you went to school 12 months a year...no summer vacation. You lived at the school. In a dormitory. With pther kids just like me...over-bright, overintelligent kids. And they gave you as challenging work as you could handle. If you read at a 10th grade level, did math at an undergraduate level, then that was what they set you to.

I began learning the Latin language at the age of ten, at UC. I was, by that time, doing algebra, and reading the most complex psych and law books, and actually understanding what I was reading!

I was at that school until I was 14. Then, my parents moved to Texas. The school board contended since my parents no longer lived in-state, they were no longer responsible for me.

Meanwhile, Texas refused to pick up the tab in Illinois beyond my finishing the school year I was currently in. by that time, I had already more than achieved enough to not even have to attend high school. I chose to, anyway, because there wasn't much else I could do...and to get the social experience.

That school saved my life. I only wish I'd been able to stay there longer.

SO...what has all this great intelligence gotten me in life? A big, fat zero, because of the cruelties of capitalism, I have been unable to complete my college, so I'm not "qualified" for the kind of jobs I really NEED to be doing...and I end up stuck in dead-end entry-level jobs. And there doesn't seem to be any financial possibility to go on to college again, what with having to work two fucking jobs just to make ends meet!

Thanks to the rotten economic system in America, I, basically, have been denied a chance to grow to my fullest potential, and it don't look to be getting better any time soon. And I just got canned from another of these shit jobs on Wednesday.

I'm about to the point of giving the hell up. My mom has offered me a chance to move back home with her, work part-time, and go back to school. It may be the only way I ever get a chance to get out of the rut I am in in this life, but it means leaving Texas, the place I love...and going back up to bitter-cold Pennsylvania. and giving up my independence...I have lived on my own for over ten years now.

but I can't just keep spinning my wheels. I keep doing the same things, hoping for a different result, and that just doesn't seem very practical. I may well end up leaving Texas in May, because of this...because I cannot go on with no hope. At least, if I live with my mom, I could have a chance to finish my fucking education, and get myself in the kind of job I need to be in...and could actually be happy doing.

But, damn, I never would survive PUBLIC school in this day and age. No fuckin' way. I'm way too opinionated, and individualistic for that.

[jazzjunkysue]

78. big brother needs to watch more closely

[Earl Ham]

80. poopy

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[AngryWhiteLiberal]

81. TIME TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON...Robert LeBlanc and Kelly Poland

FUCK THIS SHIT. It's time to PUT ALL PERSONAL INFORMATION that can be found out on the WEB for these NAZI BASTARDS!

Robert LeBlanc's Loudoun Co. Homesale information:

EMERALD HILL DR., 708-Shirley and Dave Adams to Katherine C. and Robert J. Leblanc, $485,000. (Washington Post)


Add more as you find it. Let's see how they like Gestapo tactics...