FACT: The rate of abortions has risen since Bush was elected

[BurtWorm]

(according to Jim Wallis, the left-liberal "values" guy).

This is a FACT that Democrats and lefties should be working very hard to make known. It should be one goal to get Americans to think "baby-killer" when they think Bush. (Or, more realistically, to think "abortion-enabler," which, thanks to his poverty-enhancing economic policies, is utterly true.)

The message to work on (because it's fucking TRUE) is that Republicans and "pro-lifers" are all talk-and-bombast, no effect. If you want the abortion rate to go down, elect pro-choice candidates and dump the sanctimonious gasbags who don't know how to do anything but froth and spew. Dump the Republicans who care more about pro-lifers than they actually care about pregnant women and the unborn.

[drhilarius]

1. Here's a link for the curious...

<http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=sojomail.display&issue=041013#5>

[BurtWorm]

2. Thanks, doc.

That's the article I had in mind. :thumbsup:

[FreedomFry]

3. Fascinating and so very sad

You've seen the right-to-life protesters with their placards showing aborted fetuses. I wonder if they've ever seen a dead infant in a trash can.

[Undercover Owl]

4. he made some headway here

Dr. Stassen is an admirable person. I don't care that he is obviously anti-choice / pro-life, since he is able to see that the Right-Wing policies are ultimately bad for families, and he is able to express that thought to his audience. He is a thinking person.

Dr Stassen left out a huge factor, though: teaching only abstinence in public school, and excluding birth control and STD-preventing contaceptives such as condoms, facilitates unwanted pregnancy, and facilitates AIDS. The Bush administration has a bizzare idea that denying birth control will decrease unwanted pregnancies, and that denying condoms and/or HIV education will reduce HIV infection.

[area51]

5. Also,

The abortion rate going up during Shrub's reign of error is further evidence that our economy is tanking.

[Undercover Owl]

6. well of course, but,

a bad economy isn't the biggest wire-clothes-hanger.
Restrictive health care policies, restrictive family planning, restrictive health education policies, restrictive STD prevention....

The GOP is all about restricting health aren't they?

[bryant69]

7. I think there have been more Gay marriages too.

One thing I always tell my conservative religious friends is to compare how quickly the corporate world got what it wanted from Bush vs. how quickly the relgious world got what it wanted. They usually have to admit that I'm right on that one.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[BurtWorm]

8. Spread the word.

Because it's true, and the truth hurts.

[BurtWorm]

9. kick

[secedeeconomically]

10. Exact same point in the following book

What's the matter with Kansas.

[RUDUing2]

11. you can not stop abortions by outlawing them...if someone is going to have

an abortion they will find a way to have one, if they have to give it to themselves.

The majority of woman have abortions because they feel it is their only choice. Whether it really is or not, is not the issue..the fact is that the women feel this way.

If the anti-choicers really were concerned about truely stopping abortion and not just w/trying to legalize their beliefs, they would be working to help women in crisis pregnancies feel they had other choices.

They would be voting on economic issues, not moral ones. They would be voting on social issues, not moral ones. They would not be marching and picketing at womans clinics, instead they would be counseling and mentoring and manning hot lines...

But to too many of the anti-choicers the woman in the situation is forgotten in their mania to worship the fetus.

[BurtWorm]

12. All that you say is true, BUT

it has to become drilled into the country's pea brain that Republicans are pro-right-to-lifer, not right-to-life. Their policies (economic, social and otherwise) are increasing the number of abortions. This is a fact. Everyone should know it.

[DemBones DemBones]

13. And Republicans don't oppose war or the death penalty.

I oppose those, as well as euthanasia and abortion. None of these will ever end until people's hearts and minds are changed. Other changes will be necessary, too: better
access to contraceptives and better sex education to bring about decreased demand for and use of abortion, better treatment of pain in terminally ill patients to reduce demand for and use of euthanasia, even more social changes to bring an end to the "need" for capital punishmen and war

[BurtWorm]

14. I can imagine a campaign of bumperstickers

"If Republicans are pro-life, why have abortions increased since 2001?"

This should be on every other car in the red states.

[BurtWorm]

15. Would someone please do me a favor and go taunt wingers with this

FACT? Especially over at a Web site that shan't be named where I am persona non grata? Thank you!

[funkybutt]

16. IF you have them, please post more links with similar info

I'd like to read more on this subject.

[BurtWorm]

17. There is a debate raging between Stassen and the NRTLC

and after looking at the NRTLC's criticisms of Stassen's methods (which, it should be pointed out, were based on trends in 16 states and extrapolated for the whole US), I have to step back a bit from asserting the pure FACT of Stassen's argument. It may be true, but it won't be known until something as comprehensive as the Guttmacher Institute's 2000 analysis of abortion trends becomes available.

Google "Stassen abortion statistics" and you get:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Stassen+abortion+statistics