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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:21 AM
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DNC, RNC Illegally Meddling in the Ukraine Elections (w/our Tax $$$$)
Time to Sack the Entire Leadership
DNC Meddling in the Ukraine Elections
By DAVE LINDORFF

What, I'd like to know, was the Democratic Party, which has demonstrated an uncanny ability to lose elections it should be able to win handily here in America, doing spending $40 million in U.S. taxpayers' dollars "helping" people and organizations in other countries to compete in elections to overturn incumbent governments overseas?

It turns out that even as it was blowing the presidential election in the U.S., an arm of the Democratic Party, the so called National Democratic Institute, was busy over the last year spending tens of millions of dollars prov ided by the State Department to help the opposition in the Ukraine to challenge the government party in that former Soviet state. (A similar Republican Party organization, the Republican International Institute, was doing the same thing with more State Department money. ) Some of that help was itself of questionable legality, which is why it was all done covertly.

Does anyone else see the huge irony and hypocrisy here?

http://www.counterpunch.com/lindorff12142004.html
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:25 AM
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1. Not really no
If they were spending our donations, that'd be one thing--instead you are talking about them spending State Department money to support those who were working against an oppressive goverment. Certainly a better solution than invading them.

I'm also not convinced that we were just $40 million short from winning the election (not to mention if that money was provided by the State Department we probably aren't allowed to use it in our own elections).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:46 AM
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4. somewhat naive

they are just looking for another puppet that will be compliant to western corporate interests

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:10 PM
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5. Those are the choices? Subvert or Invade?
Was the democratically elected government of Aristide in Haiti an 'oppressive government'?
How about the democratically elected government in Venezuela?

Why is this money almost always used to subvert democratically elected governments?

What is the US attempting to subvert democratically elected governments, while it supports and props up monarchies in the Persian Gulf?


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:28 AM
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2. The exact same groups are meddling in Haiti and Venezuela as well
And probably a lot more places we don't currently know about.

The ironically named National Endowment for Democracy has long been a front for meddling in other countries governments, sometimes with cash, other times with violence.

Both the Republicans and Democrats have decades of innocent blood on their hands due to activities like this.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:39 AM
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3. Aren't these the same guys who "helped" try to defeat Chavez?
Neo-colonialism seems to know no party.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:17 PM
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6. The annoying Constitution forbids any group to do this, except the
US Gov't. Not the parties.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:23 PM
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7. LOL, that's a new one.... criticism of NDI
NDI is a non-profit organization dedicated to helping the formation of transparent democracies in foreign nations. The organization has existed for decades. It's currently being headed by Madelaine Albright, former Secretary of State under the Clinton Adminstration.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:51 PM
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8. Albright? She saboutaged the UN efforts to help in Rwanda.
And then backed Kabila in the Congo and Museveni in Uganda. She's hardly a beacon of Democracy.
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 03:10 PM
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9. If we don't get behind a new third party we are doomed as a democracy!
Neither the Dems nor the Republicans are healthy for America.
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