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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:23 PM
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I have to quit watching Bill Moyers.

Every time I do he makes me angrier. Tonight was devoted to globalization.

The whole globalization movement's purpose is to funnel wealth upward from the poor and middle class upward to the corporate CEO's.

They do this by making loans to poor countries to improve their infrastructure. Then when the poor country has trouble repaying, they make more loans and this time they dictate how the country will "adjust" it's economy in order to build wealth. They demand that social support structures like schools, health care, even water, be privatized.

In india we have the case of Coka Cola drawing water from the aquifer that fed several villages, bottling the water and selling it. This leaves the villagers with no water at all, since coke draws all the water.

All this brings to mind the French Revolution. Except that todays corrupt royals are the corrupt corporate ceo's and the gov't lackies that enable their massive thefts. Unless the WTO and IMF and world bank are reined in and controlled, it's just possible that the poor and not quite poor may once again rise up and exact justice. And it won't be pretty.

Calling Dr. Guillotine!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:29 PM
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1. The workers in Thailand---just terrible...And we Americans support
this exploitation by buying goods. It took the protestors months until the Government finally got them some of the money they were supposed to receive...and they got less, only about $400 each. These people are "ground up" as Moyers said. Globalization works by grinding up people who have no options except to work for the multinationals.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:31 PM
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2. Calling Madame Defarge
Do you suppose that there might be someone out there keeping lists?
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MoonGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:35 PM
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3. The fricking moved it here in L.A...
... from 9pm to 8pm... with no notice! So I tune in at 8.59 to see that it's just ended?!

And they've decided not to do the Sunday rerun this week, either. Sheesh.

Wonk, please save me from this Bill Moyers-less hell!! :)
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:49 PM
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5. Wonk's got you covered!
He already has a thread going about this program, and posted the MP3 links here

sw
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:57 PM
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7. the new time was announced @ the
end of last week's show....8 sux tho. I was happier w/ it @ 9 - what no Sunday rerun? I depended on the Sunday rerun 2 rewatch. If U have DirecTV channel 947 also carries NOW on Monday nites, I think. I do not donate 2 local PBS - KOCE cuz they don't/won't carry NOW.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:57 PM
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8. the new time was announced @ the
end of last week's show....8 sux tho. I was happier w/ it @ 9 - what no Sunday rerun? I depended on the Sunday rerun 2 rewatch. If U have DirecTV channel 947 also carries NOW on Monday nites, I think. I do not donate 2 local PBS - KOCE cuz they don't/won't carry NOW.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:37 PM
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4. Well, it looks like it's time to boycott CocaCola.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:50 PM
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6. Enslave the masses
with laws and contracts, and call it full employment.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:03 AM
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9. I Don't Buy Nike, Coke, Walmart
and many other things. After watching NOW, I feel as if I shouldn't buy a damn thing in the way of clothing. I know there are also problems with coffee, chocolate. Selling cocaine in Columbia has got to be more profitable for farmers vs coffee.
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Elanor Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:50 AM
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10. coffee
I know you can buy fair trade coffee. Go for the shade grown also, and save the rainforests.

You do have to be careful about who certifies the coffees, as the laws used to be mostly loopholes. I buy Equal Exchange. I know a number of churches (Episcopal, for one), certify fair trade coffee.

I think organic chocolate is also slave-labor free, but now I'm not sure. I try to be careful about these things.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 02:43 AM
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11. Fair trade coffe links...
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 10:31 AM
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29. thanks
n/t
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:27 AM
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12. I know, it's terrible
but I can't stop watching. In a sense it relieves me to know that someone is still willing to tell me what's actually going on in the world.

My partner is originally from India, and he was floored that the water of the Ganges - the most sacred water to Hindus, considered by some to be their entire livelihood - is being privatized.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:31 AM
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13. and be sure to watch
"Life and Debt" now available on DVD and video!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:43 AM
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14.  An extremely well done program on a depressing subject.
well worth watching.
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Palacsinta Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:08 AM
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15. I am completely confused as to what to buy
what not to buy. What do I look for? Where do I go? Whom do I trust?

For example.........I need some new fall clothes/shoes........I don't want to contribute to these global atrocities any longer. Help

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:16 AM
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16. This co. is a step in the right direction
An employee-owned cutting and sewing factory making casual active wear in trendy fashion styles. Garment Manufacturing
www.sweatx.net/
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Palacsinta Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:57 AM
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17. Thanks......just for "fun"
I've been trying to figure out where my husband's new jacket was manufactured (He's wearing it so I can't look on the label) The brand name is "Weatherproof Garment Company". I've googled it and only end up on retail sites ....no company info. I'd love to know the jacket's history!

Anyway....thanks for the site, I'll check it out. I'm sick of being part of the problem.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:44 AM
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25. This place too.
http://www.sweatshops.org/buy/index.html

Also here's a shopping list of socially, environmentally responsible products. It seems that Birkenstock is probably the only shoe that we should buy.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/sweatshops/ftguide.html

Here's a cool site...

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/links/green_department_stores.htm
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 10:23 AM
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28. great links
we need to join together in a solid movement to change our own buying habits.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:09 AM
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18. The show saddens me so much;
I even have friends who have had to stop watching because they get so depressed, but before anyone flames them, please understand that they are already doing their part to buy conscientiously.

I'm working on collecting links for US-made; any more that you have will be helpful. Here's my addition to the list:
http://www.greenpages.org/
http://www.unionlabel.org/do_buy.asp

But I bet you already have these.

I was thinking about the French Revolution last night as well.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:22 AM
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19. but didn't they tell you
About the next step which thrives on violence and destabilzation to get the country fighting for"order" new loans and new cycles? IF they even get a lefty government they punish the country until it falls apart and brought to its knees for even greater servitude.

I think the leaders, the real ones, in South America are trying to find ways to avoid the traps and pry the bad stuff loos, but they really fear just going ballistic because this works win-win for the rapists too. Palast documented this pretty well.

The UN and the US have to be revolved away from their own subversion to CEO renegade tyrants and the policies of "free trade" that are poison pills. Peasants slaughtering each other in the boondocks is no big deal to those who already promote that happening in our own inner cities.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:45 AM
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20. yes, the "IMF riots"
Read all about it in the Fabulous Greg Palast's book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Horrible.

Julie
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progressivejazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:54 AM
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21. I can't read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"
Palast's book gets me so furious I have to put it down every time I start reading it. I've had it since it came out, and now realize I'll never finish.

What's being done by the powerful to the helpless is simply too despicable to contemplate these days. We've got to confront the powerful to change things, but for me its counterproductive to look at these things in too much detail. I want to remain an activist, not turn into a madman.
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Palacsinta Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:01 AM
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23. I have no clue where to concentrate my energy
It is exhausting lurching from outrage to outrage.

My main project right now is to up Dem voter registration in my almsot 100% Repub.district and then to make sure that they vote on primary/election day......I'll pick 'em up, I'll watch their kids......whatever. But, I've got to do more. Spending money responsibly is a good start.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 10:57 AM
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30. I'm with you on that...
I understand about this "exhaustion". Meanwhile, my community is thinking the US has problems because we don't pray in school (not true, it is forced now) and because there are "homos", and some nitwit judge isn't able to place his religious personal property on public property.

I, too, will be working to sign up voters for the elections.

(BTW, My dh and I and two others were the only two "Dem" votes out of 500 in our precinct a few years ago.)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:58 AM
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22. I had to stop watching......I hope those who are uninformed will watch,
but it was so frustrating reading all this stuff and then watching his programs and knowing how little we could do was too much.

I hope Americans who don't have time to read will be awakened by Moyers shows. It's what he does best!
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:07 AM
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24. i missed the show
which is a bummer.

Dr.Vandana Shiva is one of my heroes.

she has a website if anyone is interested and is involved in other globalization orgs.

the tarrifs/subsidies issues is really hurting smaller weaker countries.

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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:58 AM
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26. Excellent show.....I will not buy COKE products....before long..
I will have to make my own clothes, walk, grow my own food,and live in a cave. With all these issues going against us,I am frusrated.

I am going to focus on one or two issues. This feeling of helplessness is counter-productive.

Issue #1 ...replace the thugs in the white house!
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 10:14 AM
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27. Coke
glad it is finally getting some national attention,it is long overdue.

the killings in Colombia, the water issues... :puke:

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