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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:24 PM
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Poll question: What do you HATE most about the religious right?
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:26 PM
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1. That the ignorant among us stereotype all Christians as "religious right"
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 10:31 PM by Rowdyboy
because the media reports on the loudmouthed idiots and the filth they spew as being representative of real Christianity.

It chaps my ass.

Its particularly galling when fellow liberal/leftist/progressives aren't sophisticated enough to make an intelligent distinction between the two.
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pitt71 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:30 PM
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3. Amen
And right on!
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:31 PM
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5. Good point
Not only are there Christians that aren't right wing, but there are those who are Christian and conservative that I don't consider to be members of the religious right. When I talk about the religious right, I'm talking about the most hard-core radical social conservatives that want to turn America into a Theocracy.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:37 PM
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8. Those are the people who truly terrify me...
The American "mullahs" who want to force their beliefs on everyone. I am a Christian, an Episcopalian, a liberal and I would never dream of pressing anyone to agree with my religious beliefs. That would be absurd. I'm gay but I don't expect everyone to be gay.

The Christian Right sicken me and the fact that they are seen as the face of American religion only makes it worse. Truly sad.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:53 PM
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14. Another Amen!
and right on!

I'm tired of Christian bashing
and I'm even tireder of the media portraying the dominionist religious right extremist fundamentalists as "Christians"

WTF am I?

I am a liberal Christian!

HEAR ME ROAR!
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Ms_Mary Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:43 AM
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41. AMEN!
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Joe Power Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:01 AM
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42. It chaps my ass, too
And at my age no one wants to see my ass in chaps, either!

Seriously, these pseudo-Christians make the real thing look bad. While I have no doubt that many evengelicals are sincere, they really should take a look at what the real message is. It wasn't to vote for Bush and Co., in fact, it was just the opposite.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:30 PM
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other = All of the above. eom
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karl meltdown Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:50 PM
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13.  far too many of them are ...
people of color and this is not going to change anytime soon , how sad.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:56 PM
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16. WTF? "People of Color" in response to right wing Christians?
what are you talking about?

Most African Americans that I know that are Christians are very spiritual people and certainly not of the Robertson/LaHaye/Falwell/Graham borrowed from Strauss variety of Dominionist fascist right wing extremists calling themselves Christians, in fact none that I can think of are!

What color are you talking about?

and what are you talking about?
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karl meltdown Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:10 AM
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20. well in that case they are ...
middle of the roaders but still evangelicals and southern baptists. In certin matters they all are on same page REGUARDLESS OF racial background.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:04 AM
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43. Not been my experience
can you elaborate?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:42 AM
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46. He might've been thinking about something like this:
from

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/tucker/2004/122204.html

Bishop Long marches past real issues

Published on: 12/22/04

Bishop Eddie Long is confused about the decline of marriage.

Like many conservative Christians, he blames gays for the problems facing the institution, fearing that their desire to marry would somehow undermine heterosexual unions. On Dec. 11, Long — pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, a DeKalb County megachurch that claims 25,000 members — assembled thousands to march in support of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning same-sex unions.

The bishop is wrong about gay marriage, of course. Heterosexuals have undermined matrimony all by themselves — and nowhere is that more true than in black America, where 70 percent of children are born to unmarried parents, where divorce is rampant and where unemployment, incarceration and drug abuse further reduce the pool of eligible males.

Marriage is virtually disappearing among black people. Two-thirds of white and Latino men between the ages of 35 and 39 are married; only 43 percent of black men in that age group are married.

If the bishop were genuinely concerned about changing those statistics, he and his followers might have marched to protest the murder rate among black men. It is far more destructive to families than gay marriage could ever be.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:30 PM
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2. That they call themselves Christians
Okay....I'm not talking about all religious people - just the ones that think Jesus represents violence, hate, greed, and vengeance.

Think Pat Robertson or 99% of televangelists. They are about as far away from Christ's teachings than bush is an environmentalist.

It's so sad that they are the moneylenders in the temple, but many regard them as representing Christianity or preaching the word of God.
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pitt71 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:34 PM
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6. Who?
"just the ones that think Jesus represents violence, hate, greed, and vengeance."

Muslims?
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:38 PM
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9. No most of your TV evangelists do this
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 10:39 PM by TroubleMan
They preach hate, violence, greed, ect in subtle ways.

They are the money lenders in the temple.

Like that "preacher" on CNN the other day that said, "Blow them away in the name of the lord."
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:15 AM
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38. There's spinach stuck in your teeth
and toilet paper trailing on your shoe. Only a friend would mention it. ;-)
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:30 PM
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4. Their apparent addiction to and use of oxygen.
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:36 PM
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7. I looked twice or three times for......
All of the Above. I really can't stand people I know who are all of the above plus RACIST. I hate racism.........I guess I am wrong to hate haters, but I can't help it.
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Allenberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM
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10. ....
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM by Allenberg
I'd say the non-sensical view that a life that begins at conception can't be aborted or its murder, can end at 15 in the gas chamber and be considered justice.

:wtf:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM
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11. the fact that the "good" christians have allowed their churches
and denominations to be taken over by radical extremists, and have not moved to rehabilitate Christianity. But rather, they have allowed them to dominate religious discussion.Jesus used violence once, to drive money changers from the temple. These people contribute to the money changers
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:06 PM
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17. Pardon, Mitch, but my church has not been taken over...
Nor have the Quakers, the Church of Christ, the UU's, the Reformed Lutherans, the Presbyterian Church USA and many others...

Your stereotype is wrong. I get that you don't like people who are religious and think that we liberal Christians aren't doing our part....you made your point.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:06 AM
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32. maybe these haven't been taken over, but
they HAVE dutifully moved to the back of the bus.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:57 AM
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35. Not true....not in the denominations I mention
You're welcome to believe anything you like, but I know where my church stands. We've lost thousands of members and millions of dollars because of the church hierarchy's refusal to budge on accepting homosexuality. Many members have let because they thought the church was too accepting, but many more have stayed. My priest catches hell, regularly, for opposing this president and the war he has so stubbornly waged, but my priest still stands up and speaks his mind.

No one in the Episcopal Church has "moved to the back of the bus"-nor in any of the denominations I've cited. If I'm wrong, please give an example of where I'm wrong. I've NEVER been too proud to admit a mistake, but I don't believe I'm the one mistaken here.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:47 AM
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48. Bravo, Episcopalians.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 10:48 AM by bunkerbuster1
Bravo, United Church of Christ. And bravo to the other denominations who are taking a stand against hate.

And I'll be happy to add a "Bravo" when the Methodists finally get around to formally expelling George W. Bush from their ranks, which I suspect they'll do before his term is over.
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DismayedDem Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:10 PM
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19. You got that right
Here, here!

I believe Jesus would be truly shocked and horrified if he witnessed what the majority of his followers say and do here in America.

This has always been my question: Why do all of the decent religous folks stand by and let this happen?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:11 AM
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21. I agree with you completely, mitchtv
It annoys me that we "godless heathens" have to shoulder the burden of pointing out that these hateful lunatics are hardly "Christian" It wasn't MY church that was taken over. Christians should feel bound to take their faith back from the haters and conmen, but I see little effort to do so.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:41 PM
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12. Arrogance. Ignorance. Intolerance. Selfishness. Judgmental.
and the enormous PRIDE they take in having these attributes.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:56 PM
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15. Their apparent desire to reshape our nation into a Banana Republic
theocratic-oligarchic-corporatist system.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 11:09 PM
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18. The best sermon I've ever read
is called 'Get Real, Get Christian'.
It was given on 14 November of this year in response to the 'values voters'. I'm posting it completely. It affected me very deeply and I'm an atheist.


Sermon given at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church, Miami, FL - November 14, 2004

Today is the feast of Christ the King.  This is the sermon I was going to preach.  It wasn’t bad.  All about Christ the King.  So what?  What has that got to do with our lives today?  I don’t want to preach about this.

I want to preach about something that’s really important.  I want to preach about Taking Back Christianity.  I don’t know about you, but I’m embarrassed to death to call myself a Christian these days.  And I resent that.  The name “Christian” has been hijacked, taken over, and practically patented by a particular sect of Christianity, and it’s been stolen right out from under me.  How dare they!

I read that this latest election was decided by something called “moral values.”  That is, specifically, opposition to abortion and to gay marriage.  Those were the two moral issues that made all the so-called Christians stand up and be counted.  Christian values, Christian morals—we are told that these won out in this election.

Well, they aren’t my Christian morals, and I don’t want to be that kind of Christian.  I don’t want a name that implies I think or feel or believe like people who make these their highest values—or fears.  There are many Christianities out there—always have been.  The Religious Rightwing, the fundamentalists, the zealots, the anti-intellectual evangelicals--have a lot of nerve trying to claim that their very narrow brand of Christianity is the only one.

I say it is time true Christians—and by that I mean people who believe in and follow and actually live the teachings of Jesus—it’s time true Christians reclaimed the name "Christian" and stopped being coopted by persons who have little knowledge, understanding, or practical application in their own lives of Christian principles.

Oh, I know we’re not supposed to say that.  Not polite.  Not discrete.  Here in the Episcopal Church, we’re just coming face-to-face with the fact that the great Anglican sin is not murder or betraying your country or even apostasy, but indiscretion.  We’ve been taught all our lives never to say anything too harsh about religious.  Do and say anything for the sake of the mythical ideal of “Unity,” so we can keep everyone in the fold, no matter what they believe or do.  Not long ago, we had a good ol’ evangelical Archbishop of Canterbury who said and did totally stupid things, but at least you knew where he stood.  Now we have a good ol’ liberal Archbishop of Canterbury, an intellectual one—one who actually reads books—and he has been so terrified of speaking his conscience that he has allowed a tiny group of African and fringe-nation bishops to dominate the entire Anglican Communion.  The fact that these bishops are “people of color” prevents a good liberal from pointing out the truth—that they are poorly educated, theologically unsophisticated, socially regressive, and very happy to very publicly accept expensive gifts and large sums of money from the small but wealthy rear-guard traditionalists of the Episcopal Church in exchange for working everyone into a lather about the consecration of Gene Robinson.

Whoops!  We’re not supposed to say that either.  And Gene Robinson isn’t supposed to say that he’s gay.  It’s OK that he is gay—as long he just lies about it as thousands of other gay clergy have over the years. Whatever you do, don’t tell the truth!

Well, I want to tell the truth.  I’m tired of counting the angels dancing on the heads of pins while our culture collapses around us.

It’s not just the church, as the election proved.  Real Christians have to stand up and say, “Morality?  This is what you call morality?  You’ve got to be kidding!”  Real Christians have to point out that “Christian” means “someone who follows the example and teachings of Jesus,” not “someone who will swallow whatever a preacher will tell them.”  Real Christians have to take this book that everyone keeps referring to, this Bible, and actually read it and find out what those teachings are.

In the book, Jesus never said a word about abortions.  Some Christians oppose aborting a fetus that cannot even live on its own, but this deeply held conviction did not prevent millions of good life-respecting Christians from voting to continue an unprovoked and falsely justified war of aggression that has killed tens of thousands of perfectly innocent people who were already living.   I think Jesus probably would not have liked this.

In the book,  Jesus never said one word about homosexuality.  It probably never even crossed his mind.  As a matter of fact, Jesus very seldom talked about “thou shalt nots”—about terrible things you weren’t supposed to do.  His morality was about what you were supposed to do.  He was crystal clear about “thou shalts.”  Here is what morality is, according to Jesus:  Feed the poor (there are about 12 million people in our country who worry daily about whether they will have food);  comfort the prisoners (probably includes not torturing or shooting them); accept the outcast (the queer, the single mother, the street person, the Muslim); shelter the homeless (and stop creating more of them);  be good stewards and shepherds (stop raping the environment);  depend on God, not on wealth (and don’t collect it at the expense of the poor); treat others as you would have them treat you. And FIGHT for justice.

 This is the morality Jesus taught.  This is Christian morality.  This is what "good" Christians endeavor to do.  Everything else is self-righteous prooftexting of the old Hebrew scriptures and unworthy of the adjective "Christian."  Morality?  Murder and violent aggression are immoral.  Allowing people to wallow in poverty is immoral.  Raising children to hate others for any reason is immoral.  Rewarding the rich and greedy is immoral.  Lying is immoral.  Suspending basic human rights is immoral.  Torturing prisoners is immoral.  How dare the supporters of a list of atrocities like these claim to be voting for morality? 
 

I’ll tell you why they claim it.  They think they’re “moral” because their priests and pastors and preachers tell them they are.  These insecure and often power-hungry leaders feed on people’s basest fears, they prey on the weak, they threaten true believers with hell on earth and hell afterward.  Now, that’s immoral!  It doesn’t matter that most of it is lies.  It doesn’t matter that the preachers and priests have proven themselves a dismally badly behaved bunch themselves.  It doesn’t matter that the churches are temples to greed and self-indulgence and self-righteousness.

These people have been allowed to claim the title “Christian” because we have done nothing to stop them. We good Episcopalians and other liberals—yes, I’m using the dreaded “L” word—have chosen good manners over fighting for justice, and now we have to face the fact that we have lost Christianity.  We have handed it over, lock, stock and barrel.

It’s time to take it back!  And to do that we’re going to have to “get real.”  A small example:  There isn’t one of you here at St. Stephen’s who doesn’t know, like, respect, appreciate someone who’s homosexual.   I was going to ask everyone gay here to stand up, but I guess I won’t do that.  I’ll stand here, though, and anyone who wants to join me can.  Look around you. Gay people cook your picnics and wear your vestments and sing your music and raise your money and run your outreach and sit on your vestry (and guess what? even your school board!)  How could any of you—our brothers and sisters--morally have voted for a candidate who used homophobia to mobilize votes, who spread and encouraged hatred of gay people, who would deny gays such simple civil rights as being able to visit a partner in the hospital, and who used Christianity to support that position?  Get real—these are your friends you voted against.  But maybe that issue wasn’t as important to you as it was to the “moral majority.”

So, let’s get real--we act viscerally, we are easily swayed, we don’t want to look too closely at the consequences of our actions.  We find it hard to really follow Jesus’ commands.  We pick and choose our moral positions to make ourselves most comfortable.  But since there’s one thing we’re always moral about—being polite--we don’t speak out against the theft of Christianity, we don’t want to tell the harsh truth about the hijackers of morality, we don’t dare mention that the emperor has no clothes.  We think we have taken the high road by doing this.  What we have taken is a dead-end to nowhere.

Get real.  Read the book.  Listen to what Jesus says.  Do the right thing.  And speak out.  Rise up and take back Christianity, so that we can be proud to be Christians again.  Talk loudly and often about real Christian morals.  Practice them conspicuously.  Refuse to be intimidated when bigotry and fear and power-hunger drape themselves in the robe of morality.  Apply your morality to your life and your votes. It is not just an election at stake here—it is the future of Christianity, and the ethical face of tomorrow’s world.  If we don’t stand up and take back Christianity, we can hardly expect our children to do it.  The time is now.  Get real.  Get Christian.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 04:24 AM
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33. Wow! that about covers it all
I will send this around. I just love this sermon.
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manhattanite Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:24 AM
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22. Other: Their Warmongering, Their Racism, Their Intolerance of Other Religi
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 02:25 AM by manhattanite
These fundy ***holes are the first to support any war where Muslims get killed.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:31 AM
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23. All of the above....but most of all
The fact that they are all hat and no cattle. No caring about the population as a whole in practical terms, not for social programs, only reaching out to a select few and sometimes not even reaching out to the needy in their own midst. "Selective Moralism" makes me sick.

Bumper sticker:God wants Spiritual Fruits, Not Religious Nuts :)
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:31 AM
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24. Voted Other
As a gay person, I really dislike that part of them, but I think what makes me even madder is their constant braying about being "victims!" You can even see that here! It gets real old, real quick! "Poor, pitiful us! We are so hated! We are so put upon!" Well, in some cases it is true, because they BRING IT ON themselves!
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:46 AM
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25. All the above. Plus...
The nasty rude and stupid smugness that so many of them have.

I can't talk to most of them or even ask questions about why they think the way they do. It's almost like when a question is asked, they view it as a personal attack. It seems it really bothers them to be questioned. So I bother them more.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:00 AM
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26. they think they are real Christians
Jesus would be appalled by them
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:04 AM
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27. All of the above, including their desire to commit genocide.
Jerry Falwell: "Kill them ALL in the name of the Lord!"

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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:41 AM
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28. their determination to have schools teach religion
Don't they go to church? Whatever happened to Sunday school? Why do they want to shirk the responsibility for religious instruction onto the public schools? Whatever happened to parental responsibility?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:47 AM
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29. They're playing the victim
continually when they really are having it all their own way they still want to come off as being put-upon and victimized for their 'beliefs'. One example is this thing about Christmas and them acting like others (aka Liberals) want to take it from them, the whole thing is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. :mad:
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:54 AM
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30. Republicans and the rapture right must-see documentary
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:54 AM
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31. That they expect EVERYONE to observe the tenets of THEIR religion.
Keep it to yourself!
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 05:14 AM
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34. I also get tired of people saying that they're the "real" Christians.
I understand what they're trying to say, and that there's a difference between right-wing fundies and your average Christian, but I think all religions are dangerous and very political.

"Real" Christians are the good-hearted, well-intentioned people who think of Christ as a spiritual mentor. And he's fine for that purpose. But when you call yourself a Christian, unfortunately, you're also signing onto a religion's political agenda, and validating it. One that has gained power through use of his name. Most Christians would not agree with a lot of the cruelty and hypocrisy in the Bible, but they choose to ignore or disregard it, I assume feeling that the greater purpose is continuing to keep Christ's spirit alive through humanitarian actions.

But this is how it gets messy. Christ is a wonderful spiritual mentor, but Christianity the religion has always been about power. So those who call themselves Christians can be very different kinds of people. Since those in power (in all kinds of institutions) are always appropriating the good, and good works of the masses in their own name, for their own ends, the good always end up propping up the bad. Or even, evil.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:46 AM
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36. Hypocrisy (pics)


The Judas Cradle:

The victim is raised up by the rope or chain and then lowered until the vagina, anus or the coccyx rests on the point. The torturer could vary the pressure by hanging weights from the victim or rocking or raising and dropping the victim from various heights.



The Pope's Pears:

The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:41 AM
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37. Hypocrisy
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:17 AM
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39. Their reichous sanctimonious hypocrisy for starters: i.e., their support
of policies and actions (including pre-emptive war(s)) wholly antithetical to Christian teachings, beliefs, and doctrine. Their hypocrisy exceeds heretofore unfathomable levels, is a blasphemous art form in itself. Otherwise, I have no problems with them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:40 AM
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40. Everything...All of the above. n/t
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:21 AM
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44. Hate? nothing.
But hypocrisy disgusts me, no matter whose it is.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:45 AM
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47. We have enough haters as it is.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 10:50 AM by bunkerbuster1
I won't join them.

To answer the poll's question as best I can, though: What bothers me the most about the "religious right" is their perversion of Jesus' ministry.

(on edit: by "We" I do not mean us DUers; I mean all of humanity.)
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:36 AM
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45. 'justified hate' is what THEY do. Dont fall into the same pit
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:49 AM
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49. What I hate most about the religious right:
1) They deign to speak for me.

2) I have to constantly defend myself to people who want to paint me with the same extremist brush because I do happen to have a faith life and practice a religion.







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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:53 AM
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50. That what they really follow is the anti christ...
and that they do not know it..but just follow blindly.
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:09 AM
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51. It's ALL about the hypochrisy, baby
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