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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:48 PM
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--Observations of a Week In Belize--
My wife and I just spent a week in Belize. We went because we were considering moving there, and are now fairly convinced. Some observations:

1) Of course, the weather, just to get the obvious out of the way. Beautiful. And the wildlife. We saw sharks, stingrays, blue herons, howler monkeys, crocodiles, parrot fish, vultures, leaf-cutter ants, termite mounds, countless species of fish and birds.

2) The people were the most genuinely friendly and helpful people we have ever met. English, Spanish, and Creole is spoken by almost everyone. People smile when they talk to you, and they smile not just with their faces, but with their voices.

3) Population is about 270,000, with about 70,000 in Belize City (where we stayed). The capital, Belmopan, is billed as the smallest capital in the world, with about 6000 people.

4) A small number of Mennonites produce a very large percentage of the countries beef, produce, chicken, cheese, and furniture. They settled there in the '50's because the government welcomed them despite their aversion to taxes, serving in the military, etc. They are very respected by all segments of society, and everyone you ask is familiar with them and praises their work ethic.

5) The PUP, now in power but embroiled in a corruption scandal, is analagous to the Democratic pary here. The UDP is analagous to the Reps. Both parties seem VERY committed to the environment though, with about a third of the country in protected areas.

6) They have recently privatized much of their health system, but a 3 day stay in intensive care cost one gentleman we were speaking to only U.S. $1500. They have also recently privatized their power and communication systems.

7) NO BILLBOARDS! Well, almost none. We saw perhaps a dozen in all of our travels, and we drove on every paved highway in the country (there are only four: northern, southern, western, and hummingbird). And two of the billboards we did see were highway safety billboards placed by the government. Also, the roads and highways all have what are called "sleeping policemen" (speed bumps) wherever there is a possibility of pedestrians crossing---and they are BIG. Hit one of these without slowing down, and you are airborn. After that, you pay more attention.

8) People pay attention when they drive, and everyone gets along while on the road. Bicycles, scooters, pedestrians, cars, trucks all merge and mingle on the roads with very few incidents, even though many of the bridges, even along major highways, are single lane.

9) The sight of 40 or 50 peasants walking home after working in the banana plantations, all on foot and carrying machetes, tired and dirty, is humbling and awe inspiring.

10) The ONLY time wet the least bit uncomfortable was when a guide drove us through the poorest slums of Belize City. But even in these poorest neighborhoods, many of the houses were well-built cinderblock homes that were built by the government but owned by the occupants. They were called "projects", but the title was given to the occupants.

11) The complete (as in TOTAL) lack of corporate fast food. No McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, etc. BUT, anyone that owns a spot of land is free to open a place that sells burgers, sodas, whatever. Most are small shacks that resemble firecracker stands here in the states.


There is a lot more to tell, but...later.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:51 PM
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1. do you have to wear clothing?
I ask because the high will be around 0F here today. I have on three layers of everything. I'd almost forgotten how heavy clothing is when you have to dress for cold.
A few days in a warm spot would certainly raise my spirits.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:58 PM
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5. You wouldn't HAVE to...
as i am sure the Belizian jails are warm also.
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:51 PM
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2. I loved the day I recently spent there...
A beautiful country, and yes, the nicest people I've ever seen! Good luck to you on your possible move...are you opening a business there or retiring???
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:00 PM
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7. Buying property, building a home, and...
retiring in a few years...or sooner if this country keeps heading towards the apocalypse.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:51 PM
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3. Sounds wonderful!!!
I know a bunch of Americans who live in Cozumel on 6 month papers, so twice a year they have to leave Mexico. They all take a little "vacation" to Belize, and they really like it there too.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:56 PM
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4. I wanna move there too..............
.........can I be your housekeeper or something.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:05 PM
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10. my wife just said she would probably consider it...
but i suspect the house will be so small we would only need you part time. ;-)
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 02:59 PM
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6. I think it was one of Tim Cahill's books that made it sound good...
Jaguars Ripped My Flesh, or A Wolverine is Eating My Leg....great books.

He was lauding the virtues of scuba diving off Belize to ward off a hangover! Funny stuff.

I have one concern about the place: BUGS! Especially mosquitos...aren't they horrid there? I'm the type of person who gets bitten by a mosquito when it's 22 degrees outside. :eyes:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:03 PM
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8. We only got 4 or 5 bites each...
and to me the weather seemed perfect for mosquitos. We walked through forest, along beaches, everywhere i thought they would be. But maybe it is worse other times of the year.
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:04 PM
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9. I love Belize, I will be there Feb 1st thru the 10th.
We are going early this year hoping it will not be as windy.
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:13 PM
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11. Spectacular!
I spent a week in Placencia and fell in love with the land, with the people. Just like you said, the people are sincerely glad to talk with you, to see you. I've never felt so welcome anywhere else. And the surroundings-not enough time or words to extoll, just spectacular.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:20 PM
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12. 12. The best shallow water sport fishing in the world...
I'm still several years behind you. Try belizeretirement.org and escapeartist.com
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:23 PM
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13. yes...Belize!!
We live near Cancun...a little island off of Cancun..and usually go to Belize once or more a year. A lovely little country..dedicated to the environment...and peace. Horrid infrastructure...the worse roads i have ever seen..hahaha...but maybe that is a good thing. I have not been to Belize City..and really do not want to go there..but love the rest of the country...so beautiful and so friendly. It is fun for us too...since...just cross the line between mexico and belize...and suddenly, everyone speaks english. A treat for us. We have thought that Belize is a little expensive in comparison to mexico...and there is an income proof in order to live there, but i am not sure what the amount is for Belize. It is $1200 a month in Mexico..and probably not much more for Belize..which is why so many americans retire to mexico and Belize. Sounds great...and i hope u go for it..it is fun to be an expat and live in warm and friendly places where the sun always shines.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:35 PM
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14. we are cruising there in March
do you have recommendations for places to see? Also do you know anyone associated with a university there. I am thinking of taking my students there to look at the leadership structure of this country.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 03:42 PM
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15. A cruise stop is too short to see much...
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 03:44 PM by ret5hd
i am assuming it is just for one day, BUT...

you will probably dock in Belize City, where i would not stay during my day off boat.

I would pick one of these three:

1) snorkeling in Caye Caulker (a 45 min water taxi ride from belize city)

2) Baboon Sanctuary/Altun Ha Mayan Ruins tour --see and feed from your hand howler monkeys AND see some mayan ruins in one trip

3) Lamanai Ruins tour -- an hour boat ride thru the rain forest, then you get to see the oldest and third largest mayan ruins in the country.

on edit: i believe the university is in Belmopan (the capital) but we dont know anyone from there.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:55 PM
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16. Oh, and by the way...
cuban monte cristos are as good as they are rumored to be.
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