from the base Chaplain: FOUR mortars hit the American base (link)

[diamond14]

someone had to TELL THE TRUTH...and it is the base chaplain that did it....clearly, FOUR mortars/missiles hit...the main one hit the mess hall, then three more

-snip-

"Regardless of what some may say, these are not stupid people. Any attack with casualties will naturally mean that eventually a very large number of care givers will be concentrated in one location. They took full advantage of that. In the middle of the mayhem the first mortar round hit about 100 to 200 meters away.Everyone started shouting to get the wounded into the hospital which is solid concrete and much safer than being in the open. Soon, the next mortar hit quite a bit closer than the first as they "walked" their rounds toward their intended target...us. Everyone began to rush toward the building. I stood at the door shoving as many people inside as I could. Just before heading in myself, the last one hit directly on top of the hospital. I was standing next to the building so was shielded from any flying shrapnel. In fact, the building, being built as a bunker took the hit with little effect. However, I couldn't have been more than 10 to 15 meters from the point of impact and brother did I feel the shock. That'll wake you up! I rushed inside to find doctors and nurses draped over patients, others on the floor or under something. I ducked low and quickly moved as far inside as I could."



sadly, the responses to this blog are freeper "God sent us to KILL them" stuff....
http://chaplain.blogspot.com/2004/12/mascal.html


this chaplain is CRAZY...he gives feedback to the enemy on his blog...for this attack and all previous attacks (check out his previous blogs on this site)...tells the world: where they hit, what the damage was, lets them know where different base areas are and who is there, and what's important.....I particularly like his blog of the Iraqi boys who came into his office, and 'clean-ed up his religious books' leaving a little gold icon on the shelf (wow...GREAT bug for the whole base, in religious books)...

[ihelpu2see]

1. I too seem to think the Pentagon is covering up

but I cant figure why? What is worse? Knowing that your mess tent is vulnerable and had been mortared before and still it was not fortified and not to mention that it would look like there is an "Organized Effort" against our troops....

Or is it better to say that an "insurgent" was allowed to get a job, a job no less, where they would be in close quarters with our brave soldiers, and for good measure be able to enter our base "Strapped with Explosives" This Gen. Meyers also went on to do the Sept. 11 two step, trying to link the tragic error in foreign policy IRAQ, to OBL and 9-11. I mean is this a suitable cover up???

[diamond14]

2. mortars/missiles bring up that arsenal that rummy allowed to be looted

mortars/missiles direct hits also indicate a precision/accuracy improvement....the enemy is getting much much better, with better tools to get the job done....

AND mortars/missiles direct hits makes us wonder why nothing is being done to protect these soldiers...like bunkers and concrete and stuff....and plays badly into the lack of armored vehicles...the Richmond Virginia embedded reporter accidentially mentioned that there have been over 30 attacks by missiles/mortars in the past few months on this base....

just simple things like not eating all together at the same time everyday, in one BIG TARGET white tent.......

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:



the 'suicide' bomber story reflect just another low-level nut case...some mentally-ill person who wandered into our cafeteria and blew himself up....also, there's little to be done against those 'crazy' martyrs...no need to provide further concrete or change lunch schedules....:crazy:

[CaptainCorc]

3. Damn--you're fats, wallow...er..fast Fatson....er...

forgive the obscure Firesign Theatre reference (Giant Rat of Sumatra, in case anybody's wondering).

I wanted to complement you on your analysis. I couldn't figure out myself why the change in stories, but I do believe you did.

[diamond14]

4. here's rummy spinning at today's DOD press conference (link)

it puts the lies into perspective.....


http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041222-secdef1861.html

Q: Can I do a follow-up, Mr. Secretary, on that same issue? Do you and General Myers think it's unwise or was unwise to put 400- plus servicemen and civilians and others in a huge tent the size of a football field on a base in a combat zone, a base that had been hit by mortars and RPGs? And if you do think it's unwise, are either one of you or both going to sound off to Generals Casey and Ham, or take them to the woodshed?

GEN. MYERS: These are the calls that the combatant commanders make. And any judgment that General Ham is up there and not worried about force protection is ludicrous. This is a man that's -- I don't -- can't remember when General Ham first went in up there -- that has been working the security up there in that region for the Iraqi people for many, many months, at great personal sacrifice to himself and his forces. He has led them well.

We have had a suicide bomber, apparently, strap something to his body -- apparently a him -- and go into a dining hall. We know how difficult this is, to prevent suicide -- people bent on suicide and stopping them.

We understand how difficult that is. But I think -- this was the insurgents that did this. It's not General Ham that attacked his dining hall. I think he has a very good plan for force protection. I know what some of the long-range plans are up there.

This is an insurgency. And I think if you step back a minute and you think about insurgencies versus conventional warfare, in conventional warfare at some point you're going to get to an unconditional surrender, and in many cases you have very neat front lines. We have no front lines. The front line can be the dining hall, it can be the road outside the base, it can be the police station or the governor's office or the mayor's office down at Mosul. That's their territory. They operate all over that. They can wear -- and they do -- wear clothes like every other Iraqi. It's a much different thing and the mindset has to be much different.

What it tells us is -- and we know this from our history with insurgencies -- it's going to be very tough. And as this insurgency has changed in its nature and is character and has become more intense, our resolve just has to be all that tougher. And I know the Iraqi resolve is hard and tough and I know that our resolve is hard and tough.

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Q: Would you not agree, both of you, however, that putting 400 people in a huge tent is a tempting target for the insurgents or anybody else?

GEN. MYERS: There are lots of congregations like that of various formations where it's, for a(n) individual bent on suicide with a VBIED -- vehicle-borne improvised explosive device -- or one strapped to their body -- we've seen in other countries -- and so, I mean, it's not a viable strategy to ask everybody to separate. So I think commanders are very much aware of that and try to prevent that. Absolutely, Ivan.

[CaptainCorc]

5. Did Ivan bonk them with a mallet at the end of the interview?

Thanks for posting that. Madness, madness.

[diamond14]

6. and also rummy's response to the same question....

notice how rummy NEVER answers the question, AND insults our soldiers service by comparing their deaths to a 7-11 murder, or a fire in a city, or other "things that happen".....translation of rummy: "Shit happens. Shut up"....rummy compassion at it's highest level.....


-snip-

SEC. RUMSFELD: Let me respond -- (laughs) -- to your first one before you follow up.

If you think about it, it's a normal reaction to see something like that and say, "Why wasn't it stopped?" Or a beheading, and say, "Why didn't somebody stop the beheading?" And of course the other way to look at it is, think of the people who did the beheading. Those are the people we're up against.

Someone can say, "Well, people are coming across the border with jihadists from Syria; why aren't they stopped?" The other question is, why doesn't Syria stop the jihadists from coming across the border?

It is a -- it is something that one has to put into context. And I say that in respect for the military commanders on the ground, who have multiple tasks, are challenged constantly. I mean, think of the murders that take place in every major city in the world; one can say, "Well, why aren't they stopped?" Or the fires that take place and things that happen.

And there are terrible things and the loss of life is heartbreaking, and it's a normal human instinct. But the other way to think about it or an additional way to think about it is think about turning that country over and letting them win, those people who are doing those things. It would be a terrible loss for civilized society.

[TheKingfish]

7. He isn't talking about the bombing of the Mess Hall

Umm read the article, he is talking about a follow-up attack on the hospital where the casualties were evacuated. Which shows just how sophisticated the attack was. The knew where the casualties would be evacuated to and hit it also.

from the freep blog:
"The first report said that a mortar had just hit one of the nearby chow halls during the middle of lunch (I'm on GMT so my morning is actually the middle of the day). It's called a MASCAL or Mass Casualty event and it's where the rubber meets the road in military ministry. They said there were approximately 10 casualties. That was the extent of it so I kind of filed it away in the back of my mind and continued to sip my coffee. The next report wasn't so good. 10 dead and approximately 50 wounded. They were being transported to the Combat Surgical Hospital down the street. The Chaplain at the CSH is a good guy and I knew he'd be in need of help so I woke my assistant and we rushed to the hospital. I didn't expect what I saw."

[Ms. Clio]

9. No, he seems to be saying that the bombing was a mortar attack

"The first report said that a mortar had just hit one of the nearby chow halls during the middle of lunch" He is clearly talking about both the original attack and subsequent mortars. He doesn't say anything about a suicide bomber at all.

[diamond14]

10. it's clear that a MORTAR was the first hit on the mess hall....

From the Chaplain's on-the-scene report:


"The first report said that a mortar had just hit one of the nearby chow halls during the middle of lunch..."

[Ms. Clio]

8. Yet AOL's Top News states "Iraq blast likely a suicide bomber"

What this chaplain is describing is so completely different--WTF? Surely there is no possible way to confuse the two?

Unbelievable.

And yet he ends with "our cause is just." And the Freeper responses are equally determined to deny all semblance of sanity. For example:

"God bless you, and may He listen to our cries and intervene to stop the "insurgents" "terrorists" "militants" -- whose true name we dare not speak."

Well, I don't know--could it be...SATAN???

Brainwashed zombies--they don't care how many lives are "sacrificed" to their bloody crusade.