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ChicanoPwr Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:07 AM
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Army Says There Was Torture
New Papers Suggest Detainee Abuse Was Widespread
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Dan Eggen
Washington Post

New documents released yesterday detail a series of probes by Army criminal investigators into multiple cases of threatened executions of Iraqi detainees by U.S. soldiers, as well as of thefts of currency and other private property, physical assaults, and deadly shootings of detainees at detention camps in Iraq.

In many of the newly disclosed cases, Army commanders chose noncriminal punishments for those involved in the abuse, or the investigations were so flawed that prosecutions could not go forward, the documents show. Human rights groups said yesterday that, as a result, the penalties imposed were too light to suit the offenses.

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The documents disclosed by a coalition of groups that had sued the government to obtain them make it clear that both regular and Special Forces soldiers took part in the abuse, and that the misconduct included shocking detainees with electric guns, shackling them without food and water, and wrapping a detainee in an Israeli flag.

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After the latest revelations, including the disclosures that officials in other federal agencies had objected to these actions by soldiers -- to the point of urging, in some cases, war crimes prosecutions -- White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded yesterday with a promise that President Bush expects a full investigation and corrective actions "to make sure that abuse does not occur again."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17883-2004Dec21.html?nav=hcmodule
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:12 AM
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1. old news, the question is WHEN IS the Right Wing MEDia going...
..to do their damn job!? The ACLU website has had the memos posted for over a week. Those memos show correspondence from . Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, and Bush

http://www.notthistimegeorge.org/framer.cfm?liid=686
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ChicanoPwr Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:16 AM
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2. Get the rope.
BushCo tends to like Texas sayings. Here's one just for the the Torture Company.

Well folks we got ourselves a public hanging.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:36 AM
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3. De-spinning the first paragraph:

"threatened executions"

(murder-threats)

"of Iraqi detainees"

(against imprisoned Iraqis)

by U.S. soldiers

(by the U.S. military)

as well as of thefts of currency and other private property

(as well as looting, robbery)

physical assaults

(beatings, torture, rape, "non-deadly" shootings)

and deadly shootings

(and first degree murder)

of detainees

(of imprisoned Iraqis)

at detention camps

(at prison camps)

in Iraq.

(in Iraq)



MDN

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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:58 AM
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4. The reason I should believe these people, is...what?
People are often, untruthful.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:06 AM
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5. Which People Are You Having Trouble With -NT-
Jay
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:30 AM
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6. after numerous tours of duty in jury service
I'm skeptical of lots of things
.............
gov't investigators, and the explosion in
the gun turret of the USS Iowa, comes to mind
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