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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:51 AM
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PHOTOS: America's glorious exit from Vietnam (coming to Iraqmire)

There are a lot of lessons that the pentagoon could have learned from Vietnam....seems that those lessons did not sink in, so the pentagoon is determined to repeat this quagmire in Iraq...

so here...in photos, is the pentagoon's exit plan from Vietnam...1975







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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:53 AM
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1. Maybe it's less the Pentagons fault and more the admins fault?
I mean, they're the ones who told the military to go over there in the first place. If they had their shit together then this likely would never have happened. Sigh.

You know, fascism is annoying and all that, but I would much rather have COMPETENT fascists.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:01 AM
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3. now, it's only the question of how many more American soldiers' deaths
will the American public tolerate....

it's going on THREE years now in Iraqmire....Vietnam lasted about 14 years....

the draft will happen soon...in Vietnam, it took a while for that to sink into the American public's mind, even after large numbers of young men were being dragged out of their homes and dorm rooms....even after large numbers of young men got out in the streets to protest in 1968, it still took SEVEN years to shut down the giant pentagoon and their war profiteers...


Iraq is in total chaos...another total loss for the great American military...a war on a third world country that had been crippled by our embargoes for over 10 years...and the pentagoon screwed that all up....it's embarrassing really...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 10:22 AM
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4. It's not the soldiers deaths that made the difference in Vietnam.
Even after the wake-up call of Tet, the military had the overall support of the public. Remember, Nixon ran and was elected on "Peace with Honor".

Public perception was finally changed on 5/4/70, with the Kent State killings, after the expansion of the war into Cambodia. Of course, we'd been going into Cambodia for years, but this was the first official incursion, and protesters and bystanders were shot because of it. We can levitate the pentagon all we want, but mainstream America won't notice until they start getting shot at by their own government.

Having a rather down morning, you may have noticed.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:09 AM
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5. Kent State Photos....
Kent State University....ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corp) building burnt to the ground on May 2, 1970....




May 3, 1970
The conservative Republican, pro-war, Ohio Governor James Rhodes arrived at KSU for a tour of the damage and a news conference. Rhodes was facing a tough May 5 US Senate primary election and he was behind in the preelection polls.

This desperate politician exaggerated the situation to further his own political election and career. He condemned the Kent students as "the worst type of people we harbor in America . . . worse than the Communists . . . We're going to eradicate the problem!"


May 4, 1970




A total of 67 bullets were fired by the guardsmen from the hilltop. Most of the bullets were fired over 300 feet into the distant Prentice Hall parking lot. Two of the students killed, Allison Krause and Jeff Miller, were protesters. Two others, Sandy Scheuer and Bill Schroeder were bystanders. Jeff was killed 275 feet away from his killer. Allison was 350 feet away. Sandy and Bill were approximately 390 feet away.

Nine others were wounded. Dean Kahler remains in a wheelchair after he was shot in the back.






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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 11:31 AM
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6. Haven't seen those pictures in years. Still brings tears to my eyes.
Fortunately, we're still in 1964 today. We have time to stop this from happening again.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:57 AM
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2. I remember the choppers being pushed overboard ...
... from the deck of a carrier after the evacuation of Saigon.

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