How can anyone say that Iraq is better without Saddam?

[trumad]

Read this and try to convince me that it is:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6751890/

[leftchick]

1. and there is this...Falluja returnees angry, "city unfit for animals"

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24712064.htm

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An Iraqi Health Ministry official said his greatest concern was the resentment Falluja's people were likely to feel when they saw how much damage had been done to their homes.

That was certainly the case on Friday. While those who fled were at pains to say they had nothing to do with the rebels who made Falluja their stronghold, many of them have since become angry and militant as a result of the offensive.

"Would Allah want us to return to a city that animals can't live in?" said Yasser Satar as he saw his destroyed home.

"Even animals who have no human sense and feelings can not live here," he said, crying.

"What do they want from Falluja? This is the crime of the century. They want to destroy Islam and Muslims. But our anger and resistance will increase."

... seems the US is creating "terrists" as well. These poor people, it makes me sick what the US has done. :(

[NYC]

15. Perhaps that is why the U.S. was shooting cats and dogs last week.

I can't find a link to it.

[Sporadicus]

2. No Argument From Me

The neoconservative rationale for invading Iraq - that the Iraqi people would be better off without Saddam - was just a smokescreen anyway. The true motive was always the oil; they don't give a tinker's damn about the welfare of the Iraqi people. Hell, the neocons don't care about 95% of the US citizenry, so why would they care about a subjugated people who inconveniently live atop the oil reserves they covet?

[ckramer]

3. I haven't read your article yet

but I always believe Saddam government is good for Iraq economically and nationally, yet not necessarily good for USA or Kuwait or its neighboring countries.

It's the worse thing to have democracy in a poor country like Iraq. Democracy means chaos, means lose control, which is what USA wants in every country, so that it can take a selfish advantage of the situration.

[nostamj]

9. a poor country?

don't confuse Iraq with Afghanistan. or, at least don't confuse pre-invasion Iraq. they were oil-rich and highly educated, even under Saddam.

the problem with democracy there is the three religious factions (which *were* kept in control under the dictatorship)

[ckramer]

21. Yes, Iraq is a poor country

According to UNDP's wealth ranking, out of 19 Arab countries, Iraq is the bottom 15th, barely better than Sudan.

[fryguy]

4. other then the repukes and freepers?

no. at least not able to say it with the understanding of what better means.....

[lawladyprof]

5. Well, one thing Saddam could do better than the weecowboy

was hold his damn country together without flattening a city to do it. Not an apologist for a cruel tyrant who I am very sure caused tremendous human suffering, pain, and death (and this differs from * how?), but he was more "successful" at ruling Iraq.

[Tony_Illinois]

6. I Don't Need to Read One More Effing Thing To Know That . . .

whether Saddam was the worst, most despicable creature on God's green earth--worse than Hitler--worse even than Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity--even if he was secretly diddling Ann Coulter--HE WAS NO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THEREFORE IT WAS AND IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FORCE ANYTHING UPON THAT COUNTRY.

[0007]

7. Only the folks that dress up like human being, will say Iraqis

are better off.

"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people for a purpose which is unattainable."
U.S. historian Howard Zinn, 1993

Frog march junior to The Hague

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[Tony_Illinois]

11. I believe your post is missing the ENTIRE POINT - -

which is simply "What business is it of ours?"

[ET Awful]

12. Hmmm, what was it fit for when you said in your armchair and cheered

as the US dropped bombs enough to kill 10's of thousands? Sorry, but I'm not going to mourn for mercenaries that died in Fallujah.

[nostamj]

16. this must be a joke too...

sole survivor of a US bombing which killed her entire family (including her pregnant mother) in fallujah....

[One_Life_To_Give]

10. He was/is a bad man

Saddam is one sick pup. Was the cost of removing him too high? Would be a better question. But removing him from power, in and of itself, is not be a bad thing.

[rpannier]

19. Agreed

The discussion should get away from whether or not it's good Sadaam is gone. Anyone who feels otherwise is mistaken. It should focus on "At what price?"
The other thing that concerns me about this whole mess is the lack of introspection that is going on. Is anyone really asking, "What do we do to prevent another fiasco like this from ever occurring?" This seems to be missing.

[Az]

13. Bears and buttplugs

When a bear hibernates it creates a plug for their butt made outof excrement an debri. This is so that during its hibernation it does not soil its bed. Its a higene thing. Its disgusting. But it works.

Saddam was a butt plug. He was disgusting but he was necissary. The tinderbox that is Iraq was constantly ready to spill over into violence and worse horrors. Saddam fit the space.

Now we are the butt plug.

[Jacobin]

14. but but but, Holy JoeMentum said it was..........

And he's a loyal neo-con and is Never Ever Wrong About Anything!!!

[Why Syzygy]

17. Got oil?

"A car bomb ran out of fuel," Salih said. "There's always a silver lining."


Read the article.
The situation is an outrage against humanity.

[trumad]

20. That was an amazing line....

And one that should e top's for everything witten in 2004.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. It's better for Amurkan corporations. That's the whole point. n/t

[hollowdweller]

22. If the media had any balls they'd be asking that question to Iraquis and

putting it on the news.