Rumsfeld; "Those who shot down the plane over Pennsylvania".

[MGKrebs]

Just heard this on NPR in reference to the 9/11 attack.
Looking for transcript.

[leftchick]

1. Freudian slip?

didn't cheney come close to admitting it once as well?

[0007]

9. I absolutely believe that Flight 93 was shot down

The screw up of the century was the federal government failed to heed a warning from the Federal Aviation Administration that could have saved more lives.

A Freudian slip or not, it will soon be common knowledge.

[zonmoy]

27. Either that

or the remote control device that was actually operating the plane malfunctioned.

[Cobalt Violet]

30. I do too.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. a Freudian slip, perhaps?

LIHOP or MIHOP seem to be viable options now.

[Clark2008]

3. Fraudian slip much?

Whoa!!

:wow:

[saltpoint]

4. Maybe Rummy thinks the election's still on --

-- and he had made a mental list to be sure to mention Pennsylvania for all those electoral votes...

[ogradda]

5. possibly just plain uncaring and ignorant?

unaware of what happens to others? a real stupid asshole?

[seriousstan]

6. Could he have said "brought"?

[MGKrebs]

11. Nope.

The NPR host said something like, "In a possible slip of the tongue, but likely to be fodder for conspiracy theorists, Sec. Rumsfeld said..." and then they played the tape.

[Algorem]

12. I heard it too.

by accident,trying to avoid Christmas tunes

[TexasChick]

23. This is very upsetting. I hope he and these damn PNACers keep this

crap up. The truth will come out about that day, whether these neoCONS want it or not.


RE your sig line. Yes, I do remember Valerie Plame and I hope to see indictments handed down from Fitzgerald real soon. And, we can say goodbye to KKKarl Rove and Satan Cheney.

[truth2power]

26. "Fodder for conspiracy theorists"??

Humph!! Sounds dismissive to me.

[jimfromthebronx10469]

64. truth2 power...do you actually believe.....

bush and cheney had no prior knowledge of the events leading up to 911. its the impression i get when reading your comments.you say "fodder" i say complicity.the world is in chaos due to bush/cheney ambitions of controlling the oil rich areas of the middle east.this war in Iraq is by design not by chance..i know I'm a new guy in this highly regarded democratic underground but i beg to differ with your fodder theory.:think: :Dem:

[OneTwentyoNine]

58. No way,he said SHOT plainly...Oh my Rummy,KKarl wants to talk to you

[liberal N proud]

7. Shot down?

They don't need those heros from the plane any longer?

[Skittles]

8. yeah

if they shot it down I could understand why but I very much detest the fact that not only did they lie about it, they make up stories about the passengers.

[signmike]

18. Make up stories?

That one about the girl they so heroically rescued from the Baghdad hospital...that ones real.


Isn't it?

And the Easter Bunny?

[Miami Liberal]

10. Man, I despise this man

so much. :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Al-CIAda]

13. Just the tip...

Yep, this sort of slip up on this detail has happened before.

[Last Lemming]

14. But look at the context!

He was listing in a series of "terrorist attacks!!!!" the same people who blew up the base in Iraq the same people who commit road side attacks, the same people who. . .blah, blah, blah. . . He's implying that the ?insurgency in Iraq? shot down the plane over the fields of Pennsylvania. . .

Transcript, please.

NPR still does have some good reporting--Ann Garrels (excuse my spelling) is excellent.

[sonicx]

17. Yes, that is the other point. Bluring the line between Iraq and 9/11

But that's nothing new, really...

[Jackpine Radical]

20. A lot deeper than blurring 9-11 & Iraq--more like admitting

that the Bushistas were in league with the terrorists--in other words, MIHOP!!!

[zonmoy]

28. assuming that the terrorists even existed

[susu369]

15. I'm looking for the transcript also

Perhaps I heard wrong but I thought Rumsfeld said something like:
"Fallujah is now free."

:wtf:

[DavidFL]

16. Not the first time Rumsfeld's "slipped"

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html

Q: This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?

Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.

They and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.

[signmike]

19. "Missile to damage..." what building? The Pentagon?

The one where no plane parts have been found?

[MGKrebs]

21. Audio link is up.

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2&prgDate=current

(At the very end of 'Rumsfeld Makes Surprise Visit...")

[soup]

51. thank you, right about 3:57 into it.

"shot". plain as day.

[jimfromthebronx10469]

65. MGKrebs..

thanks for the link,i always like hearing for myself the actual "slip of the tongue".when the truth of the matter hangs on top of your head its not hard to slip-up.people on the ground in penn.said,there are jet parts near-by and these people were several miles from the crash-site.the entire sept.11 affair stinks...:think:

[alfredo]

22. What show was this on. It would make it a lot easier to find

if you narrow it down

[MGKrebs]

24. OK, I'll transcribe it myself:

"The people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania, and attacked the Pentagon..."


At best, that guy needs to retire

[zann725]

41. And are the "people" Shrub's administration?

Certainly terrorists wouldn't have hijacked the Pennsylvania plane, then shot it down en route to its target. That would be counter-productive to the hijacking.

So the only other "people" who could've shot it down was the Admin.

[murray hill farm]

56. Why do they allow him out in public?

He apparently cannot be trusted to open his mouth at all these days.

[idiosyncratic]

25. I heard that too. Another famous Rummy "misspeak"? n/t

[arikara]

29. I always thought that they shot it down

we were listening to it play out on CBC radio during the commute to work on the morning of 9-11, they were talking about the plane that was over Pennsylvania then the newscaster came on and said, "we just have word that the plane is no longer a threat." And nothing more. From the way that it was reported we thought that they'd shot it down. We were very surprised when they said that it was the passengers and all the "lets roll" stuff.

Well I guess, not surprised that they would be lying because that is what they do best, but really if they had to shoot down the plane because of their policy for safety, why not just admit it. Lies always do get found out eventually.

[bush_is_wacko]

31. Yeah, they are ALL slipping up these days.

The heat is really getting to them.

[Straight Shooter]

32. Rumsfeld just loves to hear himself talk, no matter how stupid he sounds

Not enough oxygen going to his brain. Speaking in riddles and convoluted phrases, (with the occasional Freudian slip thrown in to see if anyone is paying attention), is not an indicator of great intelligence.

Whatever that man had going for him in the '60s, it's long gone.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

33. Kerry has slipped up by saying TWA800 was shot down, too.

Clinton and Richard Clarke are still covering that up but there were so many witnesses that they can only keep it out of the MSM.
http://prorev.com/twa800.htm

Rumsfeld needs a little waterboarding by his own guys in Gitmo to spill the beans on 9/11 and Operation Vigilant Warrior.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL

[Mika]

34. He's saying that they're one and the same

That is, the organization that shot down the plane is the same organization that perpetrated the other crimes he mentioned.


That's what I heard rummy say.

[goclark]

52. Is he blaming OSL for shooting down our plane?

If so, why did he take three damn years to let us know this tiny bit of infomation?

He is either truly insane, and he is too much of a devil to be that insane, or it is MIHOP.

I think his meds didn't kick in and he got his TRUTH mixed up with the LIES he always tells.

[Last Lemming]

62. No, no

He's saying WE shot down the plane and WE blew up the trains in Madrid. . . or something like that

Now before you think that's crazy think: unexploded bomb. . .convenient knapsack with The Koran for Dummies in it. . .

Maybe Rummie thinks of America and Israel acting as one agent

[EndElectoral]

35. kick....please post transcript

[IHeart1993]

36. Their reveal their true selves soon enough

and they media whores will never be able to spin it!

[gorbal]

37. Great!

Time to start believing all the scary crap at Rense.com again:(

[Ms. Clio]

38. It has always been obvious that the plane was shot down

Top Stories - Reuters - updated 4:17 PM ET Sep 13
Thursday September 13 11:35 AM ET
FBI Does Not Rule Out Shootdown of Penn. Airplane

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. (Reuters) - Federal investigators said on Thursday they could not rule out the possibility that a United Airlines jetliner that crashed in rural western Pennsylvania during this week's attacks on New York and Washington was shot down.

``We have not ruled out that,'' FBI (news - web sites) agent Bill Crowley told a news conference when asked about reports that a U.S. fighter jet may have fired on the hijacked Boeing 757. ``We haven't ruled out anything yet.''

The Defense Department on Tuesday vigorously denied reports suggesting the U.S. military could have downed the hijacked flight in an effort to prevent it from reaching a target, perhaps in Washington.

(snip)

Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky.


Newsday.com
FBI Probing Reports That F-16 Neared Pa. Hijack Plane
Six-mile debris field scrutinized
By Stephanie Saul
Staff Correspondent

September 13, 2001


SHANKSVILLE, PA. -- William Crowley, a Pittsburgh FBI agent among those directing the search operation on a hijacked airliner that crashed in Shanksville, Pa. here, said today the FBI is looking into reports from local residents that an F-16 fighter jet was seen in the area of the crash before the plane hit the ground.

“We’ve heard that and we’re looking into it,” Crowley said.

(snip)

On the day of the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had “absolutely no information” that a military plane shot down another plane, and White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said “I have not heard” any reports of a military action to down the plane.

At the news conference this morning, Crowley and Maj. Lyle Szupinka of the Pennsylvania State Police acknowledged that the debris field for the crashed jetliner is spread over a six-mile area and they urged local residents who have found debris in their yards to contact authorities.

As recently as yesterday, officials had said the debris was confined to a crater in an abandoned coal mine about 20 miles south of Johnstown. At the news conference today, they said wreckage had been found in the Indian Lakes residential area about six miles from the crash site



So whatever happened to this FBI investigation, I wonder???

And doesn't it sound eerily like Bush's bizarre "slip of the tongue" about how the terrorists never stop thinking of ways to hurt the U.S., and neither do we?

[Sara Beverley]

40. He could be right about the "same people" That would be us!

It's for sure our military shot down the plane in PA so if Rummy is correct and the same people are responsible for 9/11 than MIHOP.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

43. and how convenient

that this would be the plane on which "heroic passengers" would storm the cockpit. Only after making highly improbable cell phone calls to their loved ones and the american public, did they bring down the plane and save the white house.

[annabanana]

53. Damn..I am so desperate for the truth....

We are ALWAYS underestimated by these arrogant pricks. They evidently believe that stupid movie line about not being able to "handle the truth".

[brindis_desala]

39. kick!

[BrklynLiberal]

42. another thread that discusses this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2864916

[Allenberg]

44. ...

There is proof the plane was shot down. Too bad it'll never become public :(

[clem_c_rock]

45. CHENEY - HARD KICK TO RUMMY'S SHINS

Boy-If you don't start learning to keep your mouth shut you'll only be looking forward to 2 medals instead of 4.

Bitchslap to back of the head.

[femme.democratique]

66. Nah, Darth Cheney will just give it to him EXTRA hard in the ass...

...just like every other time he's gotten out of line. Bad Rummy, who's your daddy???

[DemBones DemBones]

46. What?! Todd Beamer wasn't really a hero?

That Rummy! Next he'll be telling us there is no Santa Claus. . .

[jayctravis]

47. Isn't lying an impeachable offense?

Shooting down the planes in progress during 9/11, horrible as it seems, would have been justifiable. If the planes had been hijacked and previous planes turned into "weapons" then this is the choice that our leaders are supposed to make.

Lying about it and creating an entire story about cellphone calls and heroic passengers to placate us is not justifiable. Surely if the order was given, it is documented somewhere. There will be a pilot who could verify this fact.

If the plane was scuttled, we were lied to by the administration and heads need to roll. If you can impeach for lying about a blowjob, you can impeach for lying about shooting down a civilian aircraft.

[OneTwentyoNine]

59. No... unless your Bill Clenis and blowjobs are the hot topic

[robbedvoter]

48. Transcript:

...
DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: And to change that way of living, would strike at the very essence of our country.
And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.
...
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html

[Cobalt Violet]

54. Will the MSM even question him about this?

Some how I don't think so. I think it will slip right under the radar. Maybe we should blast them with it.

[apple_ridge]

49. I remember reading about the recovery of numerous bodies

from a lake that was miles away from the "crash site".

I also remember watching a broadcast on 9/11 and the announcer was describing how the flight was now being tailed by 2 fighters. They even had the flight path on the screen. That quickly disappeared.

[Kber]

50. Is this Rumsfield's way of reminding Bush that if he is fired

that he still knows where the bodies are buried and will have less incentive to keep the admin's secrets to himself?

[zann725]

61. Exactly what I was thinking. I don't think hi disclosure was a 'mistake.'

He probably realizes the Admin wants to use him as a 'fall guy' for the Torture and War Crimes allegations. And you can bet he won't take the "fall" alone.

[Javaman]

55. Call me crazy, call me kookie, but to me there is a giant difference in...

"Those who shot down the plane over Pennsylvania" and "flight 93 that crashed in that field in Pennsylvania".

A slip of the lip would be more like, "flight 93 that splashed in the field..." Or "blight 93" or "flight 93 that crashed in in that field in Transylvania"

[SmokingJacket]

57. Maybe a deliberate slip??

Maybe now that all these people are calling for Rumsferatu's resignation, he's gonna start spilling some secrets.

Maybe he's trying to show them he knows too much to be fired.

:tinfoilhat:

[jimshoes]

60. There's not much future

in spilling BFEE secrets. Rummy knows it.

[sonicx]

63. Is the reason for covering up that...

they want to keep up the 'let's roll' story?

[American Tragedy]

67. It doesn't even piss me off so much that they may have shot it down

as that they seem to have lied about having done so.

Under the circumstances, I could understand and forgive such desperate actions, especially if the airplane were indeed headed to the capital. For that matter, the overwhelming majority of Americans would have accepted it. Why did the government deceive the public about this?

On edit, having read the transcript again: Or is he trying to say that terrorists paradoxically shot down their own hijacked airplane? What the fuck?

[bobbieinok]

68. maybe a plane was shot down over PA that we dont' know about..HA!!!!!