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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:02 PM
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Suggestion for potential DU rule regarding the recall
1. It shall be forbidden to use DU to advocate a yes vote on the first part of the ballot.

2. It shall be forbidden to use DU to advocate a vote for any other candidate other than Cruz Bustamente.

I am wondering how people would react to a rule like that. I really think DU should seriously consider implementing that rule, as this is a serious election; and an Arnold victory would be set the state of California back further.

I hope that the admins see this thread and can comment.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:04 PM
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1. I'm against that ...
People should be able to express their views and acknowledge support for the candidate they see fit.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:08 PM
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7. I disagree
If you are campaigning for a 'Yes' vote, you are doing the Republican's work for them. People who campaign for a yes vote should be banned from DU.

If you are campaigning for any other candidate apart from Cruz, again, you are breaking DU's rules. These people should also be banned.
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FatbackSlim Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:05 PM
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2. Guess I better get it in quick...
Yes to Recall!
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:06 PM
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3. I agree with you Carlos
Those two points are the correct, and common sense, positions DU should be taking.

Have people been advocating we vote yes? I hope they are banned if they are?

And have people been campaigning for other candidates apart from Cruz?

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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:08 PM
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6. A little bit
But I think the admins should consider implementing it. This recall is serious business.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:07 PM
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4. I for one think
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 12:10 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
your full of shit...and the idea really sucks. Why do you always want to divide people? Remember what happened the last tim you advocated such a misguided idea. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not going on. Besides why wouldn't you advocate for Davis? He is the real Gov....
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:09 PM
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10. He wants to control people
And of course, the control is derived through division.
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sherriftruman Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:07 PM
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5. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read
You've got to be kidding me. How can you call yourself Democratic with ridiculous regulations like that? Don't push your luck. People -- especially Democrats -- should be able to vote or comment as they see fit, regardless of what's good or bad for the party. It is in fact that herd mentality that has made the neocon Repubs utterly repugnant. Don't go down that road...
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:08 PM
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9. Then you think the 2004 presidential candidate rule is dumb
then.
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sherriftruman Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:13 PM
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21. Dude, you're high
I don't know what your problem is but regulations like this that limit the speech, choice or expression of an opinion, especially informed ones, are paranoid, wrong-headed and dangerous, ESPECIALLY for an organization that prides itself on democratic ideals. I don't mind getting into a debate with you, but simplistic conclusions like yours are a waste of my time...
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:10 PM
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13. Rubbish
People who come to this website should be fighting the Republican with every breath they have. Not doing their work for them.

And campaigning for candidates who are not Democrats, when a Democrat is in the race? That is against the rules.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:08 PM
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8. Thanks for letting me know how to think, Carlos
And thanks for trying to legislate my thought and speech patterns.

It so happens that I will vote No/Bustamante, but no one will force that down my throat, nor will they tell me I can't talk about it.

Nice try at fascism. Don't you have some Lieberman campaigning to do today?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:09 PM
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11. I bet the back of his new SUV is covered with
Holy Joe bumper stickers.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:10 PM
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14. It's not because I am not a Lieberman supporter
nt
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:10 PM
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12. I am not a Lieberman supporter
I am supporting Dean.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:11 PM
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17. Coulda fooled me...you jump to Joe's defence
Faster than he does to Bush*
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:10 PM
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15. If you want them to see it
why don't you post it in the proper forum???
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:11 PM
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16. good to see
you're still strumpeting for two party dictatorship....
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:11 PM
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18. We have chosen not to enforce the 2004 campaign rules at this time
But we reserve the right to do so if we think the problem is getting out of hand.

Now I'm locking this thread before it turns nasty.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:12 PM
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19. "It shall be forbidden"
Boy I'm glad you're not running this board. It would sound like an echo chamber. And if you really wanted admins to see this, you would have posted it in the appropriate forum.

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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:12 PM
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20. Some of the poster on this thread
make me ashamed to be a member of this message board. All Carlos is doing is saying that people should abide by the rules of this message board. This board is meant for Democrats. Other progressives are welcome but this board is meant for Democrats. Not for people to support Republican policies, not for people to campaign against other Democrats.


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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:17 PM
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22. Not a good idea
Ignore my sig line for a moment. Consider the following things:

- An Ah-nold victory will make California more Democratic for 2004 with the Democrats being outraged at the "stolen" election
- A Republican will have an easier time raising taxes than a Democrat
- Bustamante is more pro-death penalty than Our Great President
- Bustamante is taking contributions which, while legal, are very fishy and exploit dubious loopholes in Proposition 34
- Ah-nold is pro-choice, pro-gay rights until it comes to gay marriage, moderately pro-labor, and moderately pro-gun control

I don't think that the Terminator is better than Bustamante. I think that the situation is not black/white, but gray/gray (no pun intended). Ultimately, I think that the difference between Bustamante and Ah-nold is nowhere near this between, say, Bush and Dean, or even Bush and Gore. This situation is much more complicated than it is in the eyes of the partisan Democrat.
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