My observances of the Religious Right...

[liberal N proud]

I have continued to attend church following the election even though I am repulsed by what this group of people so proudly had a hand in on Nov 2. I attend not because I want to associate my self with these people but rather because I feel I need to show my faith more now than ever before. To demonstrate to these people what a "Liberal" truly is, in hopes of changing some opinions.
BUT, in my skepticisms of the last couple of months with the Right Wing Religious Fundamentalist, I have observed how blind these people are to how they were used.
I find it absolutely amazing, these people prayed and voted for the war in Iraq a few months ago and come Christmas, they are praying and talking about "PEACE on Earth" Wouldn't that include Iraq??

It just goes to illustrate how they were misled down that path to the election and support for the chimp.
We should have pithy in these people for their ignorance and help educate them before they are led further astray.

I to pray for Peace but I was doing that months ago when they were praying for war.

[MissBrooks]

1. My mom is one of those....

She feels (and they probably do also) that Iraq was a stepping stone to peace on earth.

I believe that all people want Peace on Earth - we just have different ideas of how to get there.

[Maat]

2. You don't say what church you attend ... but I also have ..

done some thinking on this subject.


My relatives moved back to Oklahoma and became Southern Baptists. They are supporting the Southern Baptist Convention administrative body whenever they donate to their church, because the money flows upward. When they do that, they support people like Albert Mohler and Richard Land, who are anti-gay and anti-feminist and pro-death-penalty (and pro-Iraq-war). Pressler is also in that bunch. These people have connections and/or are members of that secretive body called the Council for National Policy, whose members are not allowed to discuss either their membership or the membership list. They meet with the pResident more than the Democratic leaders of the Senate are allowed to. That, in summary, is the dirty business my relatives are supporting.

Therefore, I made sure to join an inclusive progressive church (the Church of Religious Science), and I strongly urge other DUers to do the same. Suggestions are 1)CRS, 2) United Church of Christ, 3) Unitarian-Universalist, or 4) Metropolitan Community Churches. Otherwise, one is supporting some religious administrative body that is working against our interests.

And I say, that not only do we need to be an example of progressive spirituality, but we need to STARVE THE BEAST, and not support religious administrative bodies that are anti-gay, etc.

Just a thought. Comments or suggestions anyone? Peace on Earth!

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. Religious Counter-offensive

That emphasizes the "Sermon on the Mount". Let's destroy the image of the left being anti-Christian and go on the attack against false prophets. This is not complicated.
O8)

[liberal N proud]

4. The church is a non-denominational church that is strong

preaching the bible.
What gets me is when they preach about something on Sunday and on Tuesday they do something completely against their best interests and beliefs.
My 17 year old is getting more skeptical by the week concerning religion and is no longer trusting the preachings from church leaders.
I can't say that I disagree with her 100%, all I can do is guide her the best that I can so she does not walk away from her beliefs.

[rurallib]

5. Good for her -

Better to get her eyes open at 17 than at 50. Always be skeptical of anyone in power. Whenever I hear someone preach or sell etc. my first thought these days is "What will they get out of it, cause I'm sure they're not concerned about my interests."

[Ladyhawk]

6. With all due respect, your daughter is old enough to make her...

...own decisions on what to believe and what not to believe. It looks to me like she's thinking for herself. Isn't that what parents want their children to do?

If she walks away from the belief system, it's because she has thought it out for herself. Likewise, if she stays in her belief system, that is her choice.

[autorank]

7. Good for you. Take it to their territory, which is really ours.

[EDT]

8. They're impossible to reason with, regardless of how good an

argument you present.

[Maat]

9. This was a good thread.

I can only hope that my 8-year-old keeps up with the healthy dose of skepticism that she already has.

And independent churches seem like a good idea. If they support progressive values, then it is probably a good thing to contribute to their administrative departments/functions.

[The Zanti Regent]

10. The churches are lost

Sorry, but I saw what Christianity did to my only child, telling him that Sadaam was responsible for 911. Constant indoctrination into Nazi Republican principles, I saw his heart harden and he turned into a hard core conservative. Every time, I would try and talk to him, his mind was closed.

He leaves high school and immediately signs up for service in Iraq to get even for 911, I pleaded with him, he ignored me.

He couldn't wait to kill ragheads for his President.

He took a bullet in his spinal cord.

He laid in agony for months.

He died at Thanksgiving and now he's in the VA Cemetary.

The churches poisoned his mind.

What will they do when the US collapses in a year or 2?

I say tax them all. Tax all churches and make those liars do the render under Caesar shit.

[karlrschneider]

11. Cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy make a nasty cocktail.

More powerful than the Molotov variety.

[Forced Into Exile]

12. Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family, Concerned Women for America

All so called "pro-family" organisations.

Hogwash, they are in the extreme of hypocracy. These and other right wing so-called relious organisations have a hate and distain for immigrants that can not be believed until seen in action.

They openly say they are anti-immigrant. They are so anti-immigrant they want to see immigrant families broken up even if one of the spouses in the family is an American Citizen.

I have personally come to see them; without a doubt they are immigrant hate groups.

[riverwalker]

13. Jesus never had a church

and never instructed his followers to have one. So why go to church at all? What the heck does a building and false "fellowship" have to do with the teachings of Jesus anyway?