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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:15 AM
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Joseph Farah Predicts Second Coming Based On Earth Being 6,000 Years Old
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When will Jesus return? Joseph Farah details evidence pointing to Christ coming back to Earth
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, December 22, 2004 | Joseph Farah


Posted on 12/21/2004 11:49:02 PM PST by JohnHuang2


Wednesday, December 22, 2004



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When will Jesus return?

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Posted: December 22, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Joseph Farah



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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness. From then on and forevermore ..."

– Isaiah 9:6-7 (NASB)

As we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ this week and prepare for 2005 next week, I can't help but think about how close we must be to the Second Coming – when the Lord will return for His church and personally rule over the Earth for 1,000 years.

Oh, I know, some of you don't believe in such things. You think it's just a bunch of silly superstition. Even some Christians don't believe in the Second Coming. Many prefer I stick to writing about news events of the physical world rather than arcane spiritual matters.


But, as a journalist, I can't ignore hard evidence – no matter where it may lead me. And the more I study the prophetic scriptures of the Holy Bible and look at the condition of our world today, the more convinced I become that we are nearing that time. In fact, I think we are very close.

For just as Jesus' virgin birth in Bethlehem was foretold by the Hebrew prophets hundreds of years earlier, so, too, was His return to Earth predicted. The only question is when.

The most dramatic evidence for His imminent return our generation has witnessed was the rebirth of the nation of Israel more than 50 years ago. The Jews, God's chosen people, were, as prophesied, scattered over the whole earth for nearly two millennia beginning shortly after Jesus' death on the cross. Yet, in my opinion, the scriptures leave no doubt that the Jewish state would exist once again before He returned.

Interestingly, Orthodox Jews have long taught that the world would last for 6,000 years before the Messiah would come and usher in a 1,000-year period of restful human history. Since God created the world in six days, according to Genesis 1:31, and rested on the seventh day, according to Genesis 2:1, they reasoned the world's history would climax the same way. They cite Psalms 90:4, which says: "For a thousand years in Thy sight are like yesterday when it passes by."

Likewise, Christians have looked to II Peter 3:8: "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

The early church understood this "six-day theory" of world history. It was widely accepted teaching for the first three centuries of the church. From the time of Adam, we've got genealogical records to show that 4,000 years passed until the time of Christ. From Jesus' time until the present age represents another 2,000 years for a total of 6,000 years or six days.

There's also a three-day theory: Jesus rose on the third day. Would the beginning of the third millennium – or thousand-year period – not be the likely time for His return to Earth? There is even strong scriptural evidence for such a theory provided in Hosea 6:2: "After two days will he revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight." Note that this prophecy is not about the Resurrection of Jesus – it's either about the resurrection of Israel after 2,000 years of dispersal or the physical return of the Lord.

In 1772, Edward Gibbons published "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," in which he cites early documents suggesting the Christian disciples of the first century were taught that Jesus would return after 2,000 years. We'll soon find out if they were right.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:17 AM
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1. Attention freepers! Hasten the rapture
take the fucking gas pipe.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:19 AM
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2. Have ANY of these people...
EVER read a Bible or taken time to ATTEMPT to comprehend it?

The most amazing collection of false prophets, heretics and apostates I could ever have imagined.
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:58 PM
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18. Besides.... it seems the second coming would make his debut on 07/07/07
or some variation similar to.
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:59 PM
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19. That's right around time for the 2008 elections....
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:50 AM
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3. Matthew 24:35, 36...
Farah is a fucking moron, just like the Jehovah's Wit-lesses in 1914, and every other stupid "Jeeezus is coming TOMORROW!" cult before and since. They have ALWAYS been tripped up and proven wrong.

And in that instance, I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt that there MAY ever be such a thing as the "Second coming".

"But of that exact day and hour no man knows, not the angels of heaven, nor the Son but only the Father"

Frankly, I think there's a better chance Gandalf will walk amongst us first....
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:54 AM
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4. Pass the soma, brother Joseph
This Farah is a journalist? With the prowess he displays in that story, he'd fit right in at FOX.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:00 AM
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5. You see,
if the rapture comes and takes them to heaven they won't have to go through the agony of death. They'll get to avoid all that unpleasantness.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:04 AM
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6. shit for brains
.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:20 AM
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7. And you spend time...
not only reading this dreck, but reposting it here?

For 2,000 years theologians and scholars have been analyzing the prophetic words, and only a few crackpots every few years pop up with an actual date.

They get a few people to believe them, and then go back into the dustbin of historical footnotes, while the people who actually study this stuff continue to shake their heads.

I don't care how many "Left Behind" books are sold-- this stuff always fades away when people get tired of hearing "real soon now..." and find they have better things to do with life as we know it.

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:48 AM
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8. Oh No! Not Again!
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 01:49 AM by ConsAreLiars
They've been doing this for 2000 years and longer. Probably 5000 more than that, at least. At least for as long as there have been hucksters selling fear for personal advantage and a percentage of the victim's assets.

(edit 'cuz I skipped the spell-check)
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:07 AM
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9. Who is this Joseph Farah person?

Credentials?

Someone should tell him that Jesus said we couldn't know the day or the hour. Every time things look grim for our planet (which is, unfortunately, not too uncommon), some are sure it's the End of the World. Eventually someone will hit it right but only out of luck, IMO.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:24 AM
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10. Right wing nut, who runs World Nut/Net Daily. Here are some links.
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 10:32 AM by norml
http://www.stcynic.com/blog/archives/2004/11/idiot_of_the_mo_3.php http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/outthere/otadultery.html

An Exhibition of Conservative Paranoia
Exhibit 22: The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All the Adulterers
By Terry Krepel
Posted 2/10/2003

It's not often you find people who are not Ann Coulter endorse killing people who haven't broken any laws in articles printed in major publications, but that is indeed what WorldNetDaily's Joseph Farah does in a Jan. 30 column. (Just to humor WND, we will consider them a "major publication" if for no other reason than they repeatedly insist that they are.)

Farah doesn't actually come out and say that, of course. The column is ostensibly a recounting of the case of Clara Harris, currently on trial for murder for running down and killing her estranged, philandering husband with her Mercedes. Farah makes sure to refer to Harris' husband as "the creep" at every opportunity. It all builds up to a logical end for Farah: If a person's behavior personally offends you, it's OK to kill 'em.

"I say: Free Clara Harris. We need more women like her. Live like her," Farah proudly states. "If I were on that jury, I would find Clara Harris not guilty. After she was sprung, I'd give her a medal. She did the world a favor. She may have acted emotionally. She may be sorry for what she has done. But, frankly, she did the right thing. That creep deserved what he got."

Huh? Did Farah rent "In the Bedroom" recently? If he did, it was probably a heavily expurgated version offered by one of those movie-sanitizing companies that WND also happens to promote. Whatever the case, Farah appears to want the right to be judge, jury and executioner of those who fail to live up to his moral standards in the absence of anyone else doing this grim duty. As he explains it:

There is no accountability any more for the kind of wanton irresponsibility David "The Creep" Harris showed toward his wife and his children. There's no penalty any more for adultery, for abandonment of one's spouse and children. The state doesn't get involved – except to divide up the property and sort out custody issues. No one is punished.

And that, I believe, is why America's families are crumbling at such an alarming rate.

People are no longer accountable to anyone. They don't believe they are accountable to God. They don't believe they are accountable to their spouses. And they don't believe they are accountable to their children. They are not accountable to the state, as no-fault divorce laws have made certain.

Needless to say, condoning murder is a controversial position and has been the subject of comments from both sides in WND's letters section. A few days later, on Feb. 5, Farah takes another stab at it because "I guess some of my readers just don't get the point." Interesting that Farah doesn't think it's his fault because people object to his condoning of murder.

Individuals must be held accountable for personal immorality or our world will quickly become a cesspool," Farah declares again. "No-fault divorce and no-fault marriages are wreaking havoc on our culture. There is no accountability any more for the kind of wanton irresponsibility David Harris showed toward his wife and his children."

Farah then goes contradictory, first noting "Not that any of this is the government's business," then appearing to lament that governments have sought to "overturn all laws against adultery and other so-called 'victimless,' consensual sex crimes."

And, as with everything else conservatives consider bad, it can all be traced back to one Clinton or another: "It took Bill Clinton's official brand of get-it-while-you-can misogyny to swing the nation's moral pendulum back to where it was prior to 'Fatal Attraction.'" (Again, we assume, the sanitized version. But if you censor all the sex, violence and foul language out of that movie, what's left?) Could this be a secret wish on Farah's part for Hillary to pull a Clara Harris on Bill? Farah, of course, will never say it outright.

Farah's solution to all this -- well, aside from murder with impunity -- is a return to the wonderful days when "courageous clerics and wise elders practiced excommunication, disfellowshipping and shunning of moral reprobates who didn't put their families first."

Now, few people would disagree that David Harris was a lout and adulterer and perhaps deserved to feel some sort of societal and/or legal discomfort for ruining his marriage. Endorsing the killing of Mr. Harris, though, puts Farah way outside the legal and theological mainstream.

Take a gander at the Ten Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is there, of course, but so is "Thou shalt not kill." As Farah himself says, "You have to admit, this is a pretty good starting point for the law." He even calls them "basic, simple, straightforward commandments." No "killing is OK if another commandment is broken" or "killing is OK if the guy's a slimeball" clause here.

Let's take it a step further. Another commandment states, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Like adultery, frowned upon but generally not against the law. Dishonest and distorted news reporting can certainly be considered a subset of "bearing false witness." That is something WorldNetDaily does on a regular basis -- take, for instance, its repeated declaration that Sen. Patty Murray was "praising" Osama bin Laden when she merely used him as a point of comparison. (And, of course, there's that whole "independent news site" charade WND insists on playing. And then there's the plagarism. We could go on....)

So we have ourselves a commandment violation. By extending Farah's reasoning, I have the right -- as an aggrieved reader who has been lied to and whose trust in WND has once again been violated, and because WND's continued existence is evidence that it has not been held accountable for its behavior -- to commit an act of violence against Farah, who is ultimately responsible for this violation as leader of the offending organization, and not suffer any legal repercussions for doing so. I would be fighting against "personal immorality" that could turn the country into a "cesspool," you see. Certainly Farah himself would back me up on such a noble cause.

That, of course, is taking things to the extreme that Farah's line of thinking leads. Unlike Farah, I do not endorse violence or vigilantism; detailing WND's distortions and hypocrisy in this space for all to see is much more satisfying. Besides -- as conservatives like to remind us when it suits their purposes -- we are a nation of laws, not of men. While neither adultery nor distorting the views of another for partisan political gain will normally place one afoul of the law, taking the life of another does. That is why Clara Harris is on trial.

Unsurprisingly, Farah has a partisan double standard when it comes to openly criticizing the moral failings of others. To cite one example, for all of their beating up on Bill Clinton, Farah and WND maintained a stony silence on Matthew Glavin, who was forced to resign as head of the Southeastern Legal Foundation -- the conservative group that led an effort to pull Bill Clinton's law license -- after he was caught fondling himself and an undercover officer in a park. According to a site search, there are 21 stories at WND that refer to Glavin, like this one of him offering an election analysis, but no story mentions the park incident. It would have done nothing to advance WND's political agenda.



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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:38 AM
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12. Quotes


" The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.

I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it. I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct! "


Farrah on the the "Market Place of Ideas"


" Evolutionists are incapable of selling their ideas in an open marketplace. Instead, they resort to Soviet-style coercion and censorship to impose their views on others. Remember, it was the communists who made a special point of teaching that God played no role in the creation of the universe and mankind. Evolution became their god, and history is repeating itself in America's classrooms today. "

-

" Since the evolutionists don't want to tell me why they believe in their theory, I figured I would explain why I believe in mine.

The primary reason I believe, of course, is because the Bible tells me so. That's good enough for me, because I haven't found the Bible to be wrong about anything else. "



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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:34 AM
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13. More on Joseph Farah
This is a bit outdated, since it clearly predates Arianna Huffington's move away from the darkside, but it will give you the basics.

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.f.htm#farah

Author, veteran newsman, and media consultant; owner, Farah & Associates, an editorial consulting company, clients have included Rush Limbaugh, the Herald Tribune, Jacobs Engineering, Inc., New World Entertainment, the Institute for Contemporary Studies, and NBC; co-author, This Land Is Our Land, with U.S. Representative Richard Pombo (R-CA); former editor, Sacramento Union, which was owned by Richard M. Scaife; founder and editor, WorldNetDaily, a full-service Internet newspaper, Dispatches, a bi-weekly national investigative newsletter, and Inside California, a monthly publication covering state politics.

<snip>

The Western Journalism Center, which the Clinton administration identified as an enemy, filed a $40 million lawsuit in 1998, against the Internal Revenue Service for what it called a retaliatory audit.

<snip>

The Carthage Foundation, controlled by Richard Scaife, is one of the largest funders of the WJC. Farah's board is comprised of high-profile advisers to help with fund-raising, including such conservative luminaries as Sally Pipes, president of the Pacific Research Institute, Marvin Olasky, a professor of journalism at the University of Texas, and Arianna Huffington. Both Olasky and Huffington are senior fellows at Newt Gingrich's Progress & Freedom Foundation.


It sounds like even the Scaife/Gingrich/anti-Clinton branch of the extreme right is jumping on the fundie bandwagon.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:34 AM
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11. norml
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source
and provide a link to
the source.


Thank you.


DU Moderator
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:35 AM
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14. Sorry about that. I thought all I had to do was chop off the end.
I didn't know about the four paragraph rule. The source was a thread from Free Republic. I should've posted a link. I must have been tired when I put it together, and overlooked that part.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:42 AM
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15. who cares? Why is this posted here?
Any and all wacky religious shit is news to Democrats why? If I had a nickle for everyone with a website and a bizarre theory, I'd be rich enough to be a Republican.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:55 AM
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16. Because this wacky shit Joseph Farah runs a very big bizarre web site.
And so is worth a bit of study, if you are into studying wacky right wing nut religious shits with big bizarre web sites, and the right wing media machine in general.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:38 PM
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17. hmm, this guy is on FOX, CNN, or CBS?
No? He's some random looney with a website - ignored by everyone except for here. Nope - this is not the "right wing media machine" we need to worry about.

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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 04:37 PM
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20. He's been on Fox News, and his web site is often refereed to as a news
source, the same way The Washington Times is used as a news source by the rest of the right wing media machine.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 07:52 PM
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24. *sigh* - I guess it's worse than I thought
I must be out of the loop, I never watch FOX.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 07:59 PM
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26. Your brain will thank you for that
:)

FOX really has no standards. If something pro-puke and anti-Dem is 'reported' on Drudge, NYPost, or Washington Times, their wackjob morning crew will talk it up for at least half a day without fact checking. Sometimes they stop after it's debunked, sometimes they stick their fingers in their ears and keep running.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 07:53 PM
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25. Yup, and this is linked from Freeperville and NewsMax, so...
it's very much RW noise.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 04:41 PM
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21. Snoring. Snoring. Snoring.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 07:27 PM
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22. MY question regards this comment :
"In 1772, Edward Gibbons published "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," in which he cites early documents suggesting the Christian disciples of the first century were taught that Jesus would return after 2,000 years. We'll soon find out if they were right. "

WHAT part of Gibbon's Roman History cites WHICH documents which were used by 1st century 'christians' that said Jesus would return in 2000 years ? ...

Gibbon's histories are masterful .. I have read and re-read and re-read them .... I know of no such quote ....

Can someone direct me to THAT citation ? ..
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 07:49 PM
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23. Don't worry. Jesus is flying US Airways
He won't make it for at least 10,000 years.
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