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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:16 PM
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Photos show George Bush seriously ill?
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 10:19 PM by demodewd


http://snoedel.punt.nl/index.php?r=1&id=140934&tbl_archief=0#140934

George W. Bush apparently is wearing a medical device for "persons at risk of cardiac arrest." It is a LifeVest wearable defibrillator. He started using it sometime after his January 2002 fainting spell, which was attributed to choking.

Based on photos showing him wearing the device, one can conclude the fainting was due to atrial fibrillation (AF), which his father also had. His father's AF was caused by Graves' hyperthyroidism, which Barbara Bush also has. Bush Jr likely has AF and, less likely, Graves', based on his family history and symptoms. The AF may have caused a stroke or TIA (mini-stroke), of which physicians watching the debates detected symptoms. Observers have noted psychological symptoms consistent with this and with Wernicke-Korsakoff disease.
"The President remains in superb physical condition," said Adam M. Robinson, Jr., commander of the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, MD, after the president's fourth annual physical at the center on December 11.

"The doctors said that Mr. Bush had a 'low' to 'very low' risk of coronary artery disease, although they found evidence of minimal calcification of the coronary arteries themselves. As a preventative, they recommended that Mr. Bush take a daily aspirin and a statin, or cholesterol-lowering drug," reported the New York Times.

It's interesting that his doctors advised him to take aspirin and statin. Aspirin is used to prevent clotting, which is a problem with AF (the condition he apparently wears the LifeVest for). Statins are the most potent cholesterol-lowering agents, lowering LDL (so-called "bad cholesterol) by 30-50 percent. They are less effective than fibrates in lowering triglycerides and raising HDL ("good cholesterol"). But Bush's doctors said he had a "low" to "very low" risk of heart disease, and his total cholesterol level was listed as 170 mg/dL, which is considered within the normal range.


There is ongoing research into other areas where statins appear to have an effect, including dementia. Science Daily recently reported (11/17/04): "The cholesterol-lowering drug atorvastatin slowed down mental decline and improved depressive symptoms in people with Alzheimer’s disease"

In contrast to the "fit for duty" report, the photos below show Mr. Bush at a presidential debate, with parts of a LifeVest wearable defibrillator clearly visible underneath his suit jacket.

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The LifeVest (left) has an electrode belt with four sensing/ECG electrodes. These send signals to the heart monitor/defibrillator, typically worn like a holster. When the monitor detects a life-threatening heart arrhythmia, it sends a signal to the small, handheld patient-interface module (a little like a computer "mouse" but with just buttons and alarms). The module provides an audible alarm. The user, if able to do so, depresses two buttons on the module to hold off a shock from the defibrillator. If the user faints and is unable to press the buttons, the defibrillator sends an electrical pulse to the large shocking electrode on the patient's back and a smaller one on the chest. The pulse can be repeated until the heart starts pumping blood effectively, up to five pulses.

In the center photo, showing Mr. Bush and Sen. Kerry at a debate, one can clearly see the shocking electrode between the shoulder blades as well as the electrical cord leading down to the monitor/defibrillator.

The photo on the right, from another debate, gives another view of the LifeVest components.

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http://idaho.indymedia.org/news/2004/12/13485.php
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:19 PM
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1. So Bush doesn't have a working heart?
I coulda told you that. No news here.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:24 PM
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3. cynical
I think it is an interesting bit of reasoned speculation. Why so cynical?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:36 AM
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14. Sorry about the cynicism.
I blame it on the tuna casserole I ate yesterday afternoon. It was a good article.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:29 PM
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9. No working Heart, No working Brain
but still we, well not we but too many, voted for him. I don't get it.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:22 PM
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2. Let See.....This Topic Has Been Posted

Everyday for the past 5 days.....
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:32 PM
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4. Well , it's news to me; didn't see it here and didn't see it
elsewhere.
Thanks, demodewd.
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electric-eye Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:42 PM
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5. we're all welcome to post something better
;)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:30 PM
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10. Welcome to DU electric-eye
:hi:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:53 AM
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19. Hi electric-eye!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:47 PM
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7. First I've seen of it too
Kinda interesting - be nice if he just spazzed out one day - I'd laugh at the lying mass-murdering war criminal getting his due from the Almighty.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:43 PM
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6. goofy article
(as much as I would like * to have a fatal illness.) This whole article sounds kind of bogus.
First of all atrial fibrillation is not fatal. Sure, it can cause a stroke from little blood clots flying out, but the rhythm itself won't kill ya. I have never heard of this "wearable" LifeVest, and it would not work for atrial fibrillation anyway. It sounds more like a defibrillator for VENTRICULAR fibrillation, which will kill ya. If he was at risk for that, then why not have a implantable one like Cheney has? Why wear some heavy vest? That part is just plain goofy.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:34 PM
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11. But what the heck WAS the vest, or whatever
it was he was wearing at the debate?

And I do suspect mental-functioning issues, that suggest cardio-vascular problems. Contrast his debate performances vs. Gore 4 yrs ( he really wasn't that bad; some reasonable people thought he "won.") ago with his fumbling and sputtering against Kerry. He looks and SOUNDS like he's aged 15 years in that span.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:35 PM
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12. it exists
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:51 AM
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16. Heart surgery before an election would not have been a good move..
on his part anyway.
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:21 AM
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17. I have AF
And have had it for more than a decade. I take coumadin (and some other cardiac drugs for other heart problems) and have never heard that recognized and treated AF is in any way all that dangerous. It just surprises non-medical personnel the first time they hear your heart doing a sort of eccentric beat. It is, indeed, V fib which requires the use of the defibrillator. My husband has VF and has used an implanted AICD for longer than you would believe. All this speculation seems just a tad foolish since we know this most secretive of administrations will never breathe a word of what is really wrong with the Texas Turd.
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ChairOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:48 PM
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8. lol - fuck that - gdub's *actions* show him seriously ill..... /eom
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:41 PM
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13. too bad this didn't filter through the media at the time of the debate
this would be the kind of thing that really could have helped Kerry if the focus was on *'s health, not his stupidity, which everyone was aware of anyways.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:24 AM
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18. Why do you think the * did not have a physical
before the election. That information might have gotten leaked.

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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:50 AM
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15. A heartbeat away from president cheney
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