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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:47 AM
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HEY! All of my "winger" relatives are now "Conspiracy Theorists!"
Especially my brother. AND his ultra-winger wifey had nada to say over the holiday get togethers.

I let them all know that the "Northern Terminus for the New Underground Railroad" was expected to be in business by Summer, and that since Paul Martin had caught a rampant case of "sanity" and would not be supporting the New Star Wars with land OR money and that refugees from the Army and the impending Draft would find sanctuary in Canada (my new Home of Choice), they could count on us to help re-locate any draft age youngsters out of harm's way.

NOT ONE OF THEM POOH-POOHED THE NOTION, IN FACT, EACH ONE OF THEM THANKED ME AND LET ME KNOW THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED HELP.

Gee. Once ol' George let them know that they weren't "GW Country Club Material," they all got just a teensy bit nervous, nes ne pas?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:49 AM
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1. almost forgot...
(you must excuse me: I have a documented case of the flu and it SUCKS)

ALL of them have some sort of scenario they picture involving the DRAFT, MARTIAL LAW, A DEPRESSION, ETCETERA.

The same sort of thing I've been slammed by them for espousing in the past.

Isn't that just SPECIAL?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:53 AM
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2. did they just vote
for *? Or did they get these 'feelings' earlier?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:02 AM
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5. Naw, they're all BUSHIES, with one GREEN.
Then again, we're in MICHIGAN, so the only REAL damage that 9 out of 10 of them did was in getting Candice Miller re-elected (YES, the bitch who replaced Dave Bonior).
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:08 AM
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9. so after mentioning
the draft, martial law etc. would they STILL vote for him?
My brother had some similar fears and then turned around and voted for Bush.
It appears some people's synapses just aren't firing.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:22 AM
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12. Actually, no.
The "Winger Consensus" was that if it was a BUSH/any Democrat choice, they just wouldn't vote for a Presidential Candidate.

That part is still the weirdest to me: Bush is BAD, but Candice Miller (Tom DeLay's li'l ol' buddy) is GOOD??? I don't get THAT one at all. Maybe my neices and nephews are salvageable.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 08:54 AM
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3. Are they having buyer's remorse?
The thing about the Frat Boy that bothers most of us at DU is that he is a right wing nut. The thing that should bother even other right wing nuts about the Frat Boy is that he is an incompetent and crooked right wing nut.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:04 AM
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7. Yeah. Got a LOT of those vibes.
They weren't pissed that he was a right winger, just that he was a stupid and dishonest right winger.

Hey, any port in a storm.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:02 AM
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4.  maybe Can. does not want us?
What could we all do if they turned us back?
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:06 AM
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8. We won't turn you back.
Never have never will. Canada is where all the good Americans go. Tee hee.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:18 AM
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11. Stop by for a drink when we get settled.
We'll be in Port Albert, just North of Goderich, Ontario, right off Lake Huron. PM and stay in touch; we'll be good for "Keith's," a Canadian, or whatever else happens to be in the 'fridge at the time.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:15 AM
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10. Not as far as Paul Martin says.
It seems they're looking for a little more educated class of immigrant. They have a ton of unfortunates from Africa, Eastern Europe etc and I think they have seen a need for newies showing up with at least a high school diploma and preferably a year or two of college.

And the Europeans appear to be happy right where they are: so the more left-leaning US expatriates they let in, the more potential Liberal/NDP/Green party support.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:04 AM
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6. The light finally comes on
but like most selfish neo-cons, when they see that Bush's* policies don't just hurt liberals, they decide to wake up in a hurry.

Makes you want to :puke:
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 09:30 AM
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13. Well it's about time.
Soon they'll be saying they thought so all along. That's usually how it works.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:04 AM
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14. You wanna talk wacko wingnuts...
My brother believes very firmly that the Rapture is coming and that we're living in end times. He's a wingnut, of course, with a "w04" sticker on the back window of the car. He tried to get my 8 yoa daughter interested in the "left behind" series, which I thought was totally inappropriate. I told him I thought the theme, you know...the END OF THE FRIGGIN" WORLD...was a bit too mature for her, he says oh, no. They have a left behind series for KIDS.
When I said, well, I'm not a big fan of apocalyptic fiction, he responded with "it's only fiction until it happens".

Is anyone else plagued with such relatives?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:36 AM
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15. We've all got them
relatives you just shake your head at and say I'm adopted right?

Seriously when they get the draft fired up, I am ready to assist anyone in their flight as best I can, I'm going to have to hunker down and weather the storm as best as I can. I can offer food and shelter to refugees on their way north.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:37 AM
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16. My Mom
was that way. I grew up hearing "end times" and "last days" and that was in the 60's.

I'm glad you are protecting your daughter. Hearing that stuff so young can create anxiety and rob kids of their childhood, believe me, I know.

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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:30 AM
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24. I was given "The Late Great Planet Earth" to read
by my mother when I was around 10 years old. It scared me so much. I thought I'd never live to grow up.

A year or so ago, I saw it in the free book swap shop at my town's garbage dump, so I picked it up to see if he got anything right in the predictions. Of course it did not get anything right! They just keep changing the predictions.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:05 PM
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25. "The 1980s...Countdown to Armageddon" -by Hal Lindsey
scared the crap out of me at age 13.

Then my dad with all of his Nostradamus crap.

My brother just seems to have taken it all in.
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PDX Bara Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:40 AM
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17. Wingnut Relatives
Unfortunately yes although not rapture believers that I know of yet... Former strong union members (electrician and nurse) turned "born again" Republicans. When they got some money and fell in love with guns, they became "Got mine, shut the door behind me" and Second Amendment spewers although neither of them is in a well regulated militia as the Second Amendment actually states. They bought property about 15 miles south of the Canadian border in the NE corner of Washington state, which I believe is real close to the Northern Idaho white supremacists. I threw her out of my home when she started screaming at me about the Second Amendment and haven't looked back. Since I am a visually discernible minority person, Asian, whose parents lost all their property and were imprisoned in those concentration camps so euphemistically called "Internment Camps" during WWII, I have no use for people of that ilk.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:53 AM
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19. Sorry, if he tried to indoctrinate my daughter, brother or no, I leave
his a** behind.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:00 AM
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20. The road is long, with many a winding turn...
It'll be all right.

He's just nuts right now, I don't think its permanent.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:09 AM
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21. I'm glad you posted this--this is a good idea for an article: all the
end-of-the-world scenarios that never happened.

Or did they? . . . perhaps, the world did explode and we were all transported to this planet in the huge space ark?

NAH . . .
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:13 AM
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22. Actually, there are some really good websites out there...
talking about how "end times" predictions have been made pretty regularly and have adopted a huge following from time to time. The only consistent thing about all of the doomsday and armageddon scenarios is that they haven't happened.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:11 PM
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28. I think armageddon's failure to materialize would be a good thread,
but I have no idea how to start a thread... I'm new.

Besides, I'm not sure how many other (friends or relatives of) armageddon whackos are out there. Heh...sounds like a support group.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:51 AM
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18. Wait- are you saying those traitors want you to help their children
avoid fighting The War for our glorious leader? My goodness- if I didn't know better, I'd say they were self-centered, self-serving, elitist hypocritics.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:11 PM
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27. Uhh...YES?
I don't know if being the "Poor, Black Sheep" of the family has kept me a little more "grounded" or not, but my "Waning Wingnut" now "Conspiracy Theorist" brother once said that the poor in the cities "...like living that way, or they'd MOVE."

Maybe money and success CAN make certain people become clueless.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:26 AM
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23. SHOW THEM THIS: CONSERVATIVES SPEAK OUT AGAINST DANGERS OF BUSH ADMIN.
CONSERVATIVES SPEAK OUT AGAINST DANGERS OF BUSH ADMINISTRATION


A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM TEXAS ASKS, “IS AMERICA BECOMING A POLICE STATE?”
Congressman Ron Paul, a Libertarian-turned-Republican, has titled his December 21st Texas Straight Talk column, “It Can’t Happen Here.” In it, he warns that American is fast becoming a police state, aided by the new intelligence bill and the use of terror to strike fear into citizens. “Members of Congress, like too many Americans, don’t understand that a society with no constraints on its government cannot be secure,” he writes. “Those who believe a police state can’t happen here are poor students of history. Every government, democratic or not, is capable of tyranny. We must understand this if we hope to remain a free people.”
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst122004.htm

A CONSERVATIVE RADIO HOST & EX-MORAL MAJORITY LEADER DENOUNCES BUSH & RELIGIOUS RIGHT’S EFFORTS TO DESTROY FREEDOM
In an astounding about-face, Chuck Baldwin, a Baptist pastor and past executive director of Florida’s Moral Majority who once rallied his parishioners to build a monument to aborted babies, makes this startling confession: “No one can honestly question my commitment to pro-life, pro-family conservative causes. That being said, the Religious Right, as it now exists, scares me.”

The Religious Right has become a propaganda machine for George W. Bush and the Republican Party, Baldwin observes, then goes on to criticize the right-wing establishment for “trampling the very principles which the Religious Right claims to represent.” No longer does the Religious Right represent conservative, Christian values, he argues. “Instead, they represent their own self-serving interests at the expense of those values…the Religious Right is actively assisting those who would destroy our freedoms.”

Baldwin faults religious leaders for failing to resist passage of the Patriot Act, creation of the Homeland Security department, and appointment of a National Intelligence Director. “Neither did the Religious Right offer even a whimper of protest as President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill, which eerily has more in common with early Twentieth Century German and Russian intelligence institutions than anything envisioned by America’s Founding Fathers.”

Further, he recognizes the danger of wedding Church and State while demonizing opposing political interests. He warns that the Christian Right views the war in Iraq as a holy crusade and Bush as a religious leader. “America is fast taking on the shape of the old Holy Roman Empire and President Bush is quickly morphing into a modern day Caesar,” he says, then speculates on whether America is heading for a modern-day religious inquisition led by the Religious Right.

“I used to believe that liberals were paranoid for being fearful of conservative Christians gaining political power,” concludes the fundamentalist leader, who is also a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association. “Now, I share their trepidation.”

Read the full text of this astounding story, first published in The Covenant News, at:
http://dailykos.com/story/2004/12/18/4283/8852



GOP CONGRESS TO FORCE PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS ON OUR KIDS—& YOU’RE NEXT!

Beware of a nefarious new program that the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, a group appointed by President Bush, has slipped into the omnibus appropriations bill, which Congress has just approved. Unbelievably, this measure enables schools to require that all children be given mandatory mental health tests—with parental permission! Opponents accuse the pharmaceutical industry of backing the bill, which is expected to create a huge market for expensive—and dangerous—antipsychotic and antidepressant drugs. Potentially, kids could be forced to take drugs or be barred from school. Privacy advocates also raise fears that mental health histories could wind up in kids’ permanent records, including materials forwarded to colleges and employers.

If you think that’s frightening, consider this: The New Freedom Initiative recommends screening not only children, but eventually, every American. Just imagine—we could all be medicated into mindless docility—just like the Stepford Wives.

This measure, promoted as an initiative to identify and treat mental illness, was enacted by Republicans who customarily claim to be against government intervention in private lives and was also supported by many Democrats who normally value civil liberties. Call your Congressional representatives and tell them to leave our kids alone—and get Big Brother out of our private medical records!

Even conservative parents are up in arms over passage of this Frankenstein measure, which was modeled after a program initiated under Governor Bush down yonder in Texas--where 2 out of 3 kids in foster programs are taking psychotropic drugs. How bad is this measure? So bad that a Republican Congressman, Ron Paul, a medical doctor from Texas, bucked his own party and led efforts to derail this bill. NewsMax, a conservative media organization, has also voiced opposition. Unfortunately for our kids, Congress passed it anyhow.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/brave_new_world/new_freedom_paul_amendment.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287529/posts


REPUBLICAN FLORIDA CONGRESSMAN SOUGHT TO CREATE VOTE-RIGGING SOFTWARE, PROGRAMMER TESTIFIES BEFORE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS

Republican Congressman Tom Feeney asked a computer programmer to write software that could alter vote totals on touch-screen voting machines—shortly before the 2000 presidential election, the Republican programmer has testified.

The Seminole Chronicle reported on December 16:

Former computer programmer Clint Curtis made the claim Monday in sworn testimony to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee investigating allegations of voter fraud in the 2004 presidential election involving touch-screen voting in Ohio.

In his testimony, Curtis said that Feeney, then a member of the Florida House of Representative, met with Curtis and other employees of Yang Enterprises, an Oviedo software company, and asked if the company could create a program that would allow a user to alter the vote totals while using the touch-screen machine. The program had to be written so that even the human-readable computer code would not show its illicit capabilities, Curtis recalled…

http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/12/16/41c2fdb042eal

GOP LAWMAKER BLOCKS BUSH H-BOMB PLAN:

Republican lawmaker David Hobson, chair of the House Energy & Water Appropriations Committee, joined with Democrats Harry Reid and Diane Feinstein to block the President’s plan for funding to build an H-bomb. Conservatives and liberals share this moral value: making weapons of mass destruction is wrong.

http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2552825,00.html

WHY EISENHOWER’S SON ENDORSED KERRY

John Eisenhower, son of Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, was a lifelong Republican until after George W. Bush’s election in 2000. The invasion of Iraq, however, led Eisenhower to change his party registration to Independent and endorse John Kerry for the presidency. “To me, the word “Republican” has always been synonymous with the word “responsibility,” which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms," he wrote in the Union Leader. "Today’s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion."

Eisenhower further critized Bush's lack of responsibility in foreign affairs and failure to show respect for other countries. "America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it…The current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance."

He noted that President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein in 1991. "Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States," he observed, adding that Bush Sr. stayed within the United Nations mandate after driving Iraqi troops from Kuwait, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.

"Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy," he added "Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, “If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both.” I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.

The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so," he observed, recalling that Eisenhower's administration balanced the federal budget three times during eight years in office. "It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation’s financial structure sound."

Eisenhower went on to criticize the Republican party for losing its traditional concern for small business and the middle class. "Today’s Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor," he concludes.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657

LIVING UNDER FASCISM

A Sermon delivered by Minister Davidson Loehr, November 7, 2004
First Unitarian Universalist Church of Austin, Texas

“I mean to persuade you that the style of governing into which America has slid is most accurately described as fascism, and that the necessary implications of this fact are rightly regarded as terrifying,” Rev. Loehr told his congregation. After reviewing chilling similarities between the current Bush administration and past fascist regimes, Loehr offered these predictions:

“The actions of fascists and the social and political effects of fascism and fundamentalism are clear and sobering. Here is some of what's coming, what will be happening in our country in the next few years:

* The theft of all social security funds, to be transferred to those who control money, and the increasing destitution of all those dependent on social security and social welfare programs.

* Rising numbers of uninsured people in this country that already has the highest percentage of citizens without health insurance in the developed world.

* Increased loss of funding for public education combined with increased support for vouchers, urging Americans to entrust their children's education to Christian schools.

* More restrictions on civil liberties as America is turned into the police state necessary for fascism to work

* Withdrawal of virtually all funding for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System. At their best, these media sometimes encourage critical questioning, so they are correctly seen as enemies of the state's official stories.

* The reinstatement of a draft, from which the children of privileged parents will again be mostly exempt, leaving our poorest children to fight and die in wars of imperialism and greed that could never benefit them anyway.

* More imperialistic invasions: of Iran and others, and the construction of a huge permanent embassy in Iraq.

Other Bush administration actions will include continued outsourcing of jobs to render workers powerless, and a movement by the banking industry to make home ownership more difficult, he predicts.
New restrictions on free speech will be imposed, including control of the Internet(presented under the guise of national security), plus tighter control of the media. Protesters will be deemed criminals and imprisoned.

In addition, he warns of "efforts to remove the tax-exempt status of churches like this one, and to characterize them as anti-American...In the near future, it will be illegal or at least dangerous to say the things I have said here this morning."
http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/LivingUnderFascism.html
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shady lane Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 12:09 PM
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26. I thought the same, then I walked into the room and they were laughing.
I thought the same thing. When I came back into the room everybody was giggling. They were pulling one on me.

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