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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:00 PM
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I wonder if Clinton was president and he was on his ranch, biking
and relaxing while our soldiers are being killed everyday and a world disaster happen (Tsunami).. what would you think the media would be saying.... poor man he has such a hard job.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:04 PM
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1. To start with, we wouldn't be in this mess (war)
if Clinton had been prez. He's a helluva lot more intelligent than the current clown. As for the disaster, you know he'd show his true compassionate colors, again unlike the current a*shole.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:08 PM
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2. spannity and o'really would be yelling every day
not to mention what the "media" would be saying if:

- - he used faulty intelligence to invade a country costing 1000+ lives and billions of $$

- - never went to one military funeral

- - had a secretary of defense who says things like "you fight a war with the army you have, not the army you want", doesn't personally sign condolence letters, and doesn't ask for his resignation

shall i continue?
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SariesNightly Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:14 PM
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3. What you said is a crucial point.
" spannity and o'really would be yelling every day"

Why don't we have more attack dogs in the mediascape?
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:28 PM
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8. because the media is already perceived to have a liberal bias
so any attempt to give a similar voice/forum is decried as being "more of the same"

not to mention, liberals and democrats haven't seemed to master the acrid, condescending sound-bite mentality necessary to counter these ditto-heads..... as evidence, see if you can find the Tim Russert episode with O'Really and Paul Krugman. Krugman was running rings around the philanderer in terms of making eloquent, cogent comments and arguments, but o'really "won" by tossing one-liners and accusations back instead of addressing the issues raised. or watch John Stewart on Crossfire - same result.
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SariesNightly Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:50 PM
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10. This is a Catch-22..
We won't stoop to their level, and yet, and YET there are enough people who eat up their drivel that makes ennough election difference to matter.

One more thing, this "tidal wave of sewage" we're up against is apparently well organised in a fashion, to be honest, I wish we had.

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The Apparat, George W. Bush's back-door political machine. It's anti-democratic, anti-Constitutional, and is working to create a one-party America

© 2004 by Jerry M. Landay
for Mediatransparency.org

http://www.mediatransparency.org/stories/apparat.html
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But only those in the know would understand the flaws in Judge's statements. He failed to mention that hundreds of tax-exempt organizations of the far right have been exploiting the twilight zone of campaign and IRS regulations for three decades -- receiving billions of dollars in grants and contributions to wage ideo-political warfare for far-right ideas, causes, and Republican candidates. Liberal political organizations resort to the same shortcuts, but they pale when compared to the scale and duration of right-wing mischief. Judge is one more cog in a vast machine that, in the judgment of the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP) has "played a critical role in helping the Republican Party to dominate state, local and national politics." It is now operating at full throttle to keep Bush in office.

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Soros and his recipients -- including Americans Coming Together, MoveOn.org, and the newly established liberal think tank, the Center for American Progress -- are no match, in terms of dollars or mass, for the vast alliance spearheaded by the cohort. Americans are familiar with some of the names, if not the background, of the cohort's leading members -- the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Manhattan Institute, the Hudson Institute, the Hoover Institution, the Federalist Society, the Reason Foundation, Citizens for a Sound Economy, the American Legislative Exchange Council, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, and the National Association of Scholars, to name just a few. According to columnist/broadcaster Laura Flanders, right-wing ideologues have been setting up their own, extensive, tax-exempt front groups for years. Their purpose is to influence public opinion to aggressively push GOP rhetoric, candidates and issues.

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A John Kerry spokesman described the result: "From Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity to Laura Ingraham to Saxby Chamblis to the RNC, you can't turn on a TV or a radio without seeing a systematic, coordinated attack on John Kerry." The positioning of these right wing operatives within the "mainstream" media surely puts the lie to the old "liberal media" canard, which despite its demonstrable falsity is still standard cant for the conservative propaganda mill. This myth serves to divert attention from the stunning dominance of the right wing in media. A look at the 15 most widely syndicated newspaper columnists makes the point: Nine -- 56 percent -- are solidly right-wing. Of the remaining six, only three are solidly liberal -- Molly Ivins, Nat Hentoff, and Ellen Goodman.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:18 PM
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4. I could nto believe on the news they said he was on his ranch
"clearing brush"!!! I would think that his "ranch" would be a barren wasteland by now with all the brush clearing he has done in the past four years!!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:20 PM
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6. He has the brush trucked-in from the Brazilian Rain Forest
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:18 PM
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5. Lesee, during Somalia he was in the closet with Monica. n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:26 PM
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7. And you know this because?

No one ever said anything about his relationship with Monica, right? No one spent millions investigating him, no one reported every sordid bit they dug up?
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 06:40 PM
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9. Wrong! Battle of Mogadishu, 1993. Monica, 1995.
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 07:22 PM
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11. At least he was in his office...
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NurseLefty Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:41 PM
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12. Troll alert! n/t
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:05 PM
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13. I think you are in the wrong forum - here is a link for the place
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:30 PM
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14. what a dumb fuck comment
you know, if "being in the closet with Monica" helped Bill Clinton become the great president that he was, I'd volunteer to jump in there with him, too.

Bill Clinton did a lot of great things for this country, and he didn't do them by dividing us.

maybe that's Bush's problem -- no one wants Bush's filthy fingers touching them. or maybe one needs to sign a loyalty oath first. still, maybe that's why he's such a loser. what do you think?
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:33 PM
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15. I think he is one of those "hit and run" posters - he doesn't
seem to want to stick around and defend his fucked up comments.
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