A 9/11 hijacking smoking gun, for your reading pleasure

[WilliamPitt]

AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS

June 2001

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Read closely. Adobe required.

[rfranklin]

1. Alittle hel, please...

what does all this mean in your estimation?

[WilliamPitt]

It is the protocol

from the Joint Chiefs about what to do when a hijacking threatens national security. It was published four months before the attacks.

None, but none, of these protocols were followed.

[sandnsea]

6. 9/11 report

Did anything at all pertaining to this come out in that report? Those were the primary answers I was looking for and as far as I know, they weren't answered at all. Did I miss something?

[ozymandius]

47. QUESTION:

Is this protocol law or is it guideline?

[ozymandius]

48. and IN ADDITION

Is there any recourse or penalty should this protocol no be followed?

[never cry wolf]

2. this is the telling portion

c. Military Escort Aircraft
(1) When notified that military escort aircraft are needed in
conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO,
NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or USELEMNORAD to
determine if suitable aircraft are available and forward the request to the
Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance with DODD 3025.15,
paragraph D.7 (reference d).
(2) Pursuant to reference j, the escort service will be requested by
the FAA hijack coordinator by direct contact with the NMCC. Normally,
NORAD escort aircraft will take the required action. However, for the
purpose of these procedures, the term “escort aircraft” applies to any
military aircraft assigned to the escort mission. When the military can
provide escort aircraft, the NMCC will advise the FAA hijack coordinator of
the identification and location of the squadron tasked to provide escort
aircraft. NMCC will then authorize direct coordination between FAA and
the designated military unit. When a NORAD resource is tasked, FAA will
coordinate through the appropriate Air Defense Sector/Regional Air
Operations Center.

on edit: I may spend too damn much time on DU for my own good but at least I just learned how to cut and paste from adobe.

[Stephanie]

26. "and forward the request to the Secretary of Defense for approval "

So it would have gone to Rummy? Did Rummy stand-down the fighter jets?

[never cry wolf]

30. four possibilities?

SOP is thus:

"(1) When notified that military escort aircraft are needed in
conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO,
NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or USELEMNORAD to
determine if suitable aircraft are available and forward the request to the
Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance with DODD 3025.15,
paragraph D.7 (reference d).

1. They varied from SOP and didn't notify.
2. There was human error and he did not get the notification in time.
3. He was notified and sat on it not giving approval until too late.
4. He ordered them to stand down.

He was in his office at the pentagon so he was not unreachable, wouldn't you think that as soon as something like this happened he would be one of the first to know?? Actually, it appears he may have know before the hijackings but i digress.

[Eloriel]

35. Hi, Steviet!

You're a quick study, then. I just finally "learned" that trick a few months ago.

But I still hate Acrobat.

Eloriel

[LifeDuringWartime]

44. acrobat

i have acrobat but i dont use it... i use Preview in osx for reading PDF files... much better. :)

[LittleApple81]

53. how do you cut and paste from adobe? n/t

[nostamj]

3. LIHOP-Light

they expected multiple hijackings and let them happen. they expected to 'heroically' thwart the CONVENTIONAL hijackings...

but they were double-crossed.

that's LIHOP w/o assuming that BushCo would allow the murder of 1000s.

[aquart]

10. Where do you get that from?

I'm not following your logic. What would make them think solely in terms of conventional hijackings? Conventional hijackings are notoriously unsuccessful.

They HAD the info on using planes to attack buildings.

LIHOP full strength.

[nostamj]

13. oh, for myself, I am a FULL STRENGTH

LIHOPer. no question. I've shared a couple of beers with ewing2001, I only offer this 'light' version as a device to bring those who CANNOT accept the deep evil as *possible* to consider the theory...

that's all

[teknomanzer]

52. I doubt it...

A conventional hijacking is not even close to the "Pearl Harbor" event required for the PNAC agenda. FULL ON LIHOP!

[SimpleMan]

4. This is EXCELLENT! Thank you!

But what the hell can we do about it? I humbly bow to your expertise and connections, sir.

Page 5 was my favorite, BTW. :)

[WilliamPitt]

5. When you speak to people about this

and when you bring up how the protocols that were ignored, and when people say you're full of shit, email them this document. Historians call something like this a primary source.

[Generic Other]

34. What about this section, Will? Does it mean they can't shoot them down?

a. General. Military personnel will provide the following types of
support: intercept, surveillance, lift, equipment, and communications.
Military personnel may not participate in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity. This restriction would include the apprehension of aircraft hijackers or use of military aircraft (fixed-wing or helicopter) or other vehicles as platforms for gunfire or the use of other weapons against suspected hijackers. In addition, assistance may not be provided under this enclosure if it could adversely affect national security or military preparedness.

[Generic Other]

50. HEY! Someone! Is this the actual stand down order???

Isn't it saying the military is not to try and apprehend hijackers? And this was in July 2001? Months before such a possibility would arise?

Damning bit of evidence?

[Gore1FL]

38. page 5?

it is a distribution list. Did I miss somethign or is there more than one page 5?

[NNN0LHI]

7. But, but, but, Condi said they never ever considered anything like this?

Someone has some splainen to do.

Don

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. So according to protocol

1) When notified that military escort aircraft are needed in
conjunction with an aircraft piracy (hijacking) emergency, the DDO,
NMCC, will notify the appropriate unified command or USELEMNORAD to
determine if suitable aircraft are available and forward the request to the
Secretary of Defense for approval in accordance with DODD 3025.15,
paragraph D.7 (reference d).


Why wasn't Rumsfeld notified?

Here's Rumsfeld's version of events that morning and he acknowledges that he had being told a plane had hit the WTC from an interview with Larry King:

King: You were right here when the Pentagon --

Rumsfeld: I was.

King: And someone told me that you had spoken to a congressional delegation --

Rumsfeld: Right here in this room.

King: -- in this room about terrorism that morning?

Rumsfeld: I had said at an 8:00 o'clock breakfast that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve months there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a strong healthy defense department that contributes to -- That underpins peace and stability in our world. And that is what underpins peace and stability.

In fact we can't have healthy economies and active lives unless we live in a peaceful, stable world, and I said that to these people. And someone walked in and handed a note that said that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center. And we adjourned the meeting, and I went in to get my CIA briefing --

King: Right next door is your office.

Rumsfeld: -- right next door here, and the whole building shook within 15 minutes.

King: It was a jarring thing. And you ran toward the smoke?

Rumsfeld: Uh huh.

King: Because?

Rumsfeld: Goodness. Who knows? I wanted to see what had happened. I wanted to see if people needed help. I went downstairs and helped for a bit with some people on stretchers. Then I came back up here and started -- I realized I had to get back up here and get at it.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/t12062001_t1205sd.html


Even though he knows the WTC has been hit by a plane, he acts as if he is unaware of other hijacked planes and that according to his version of the story, he didn't even go into action until after the Pentagon was hit and even then he was slow to react appropriately. Funny how both he and W avoided going into 'action' until the Pentagon was hit. The two people who should have had the first and most accurate information in regards to what was going on, where walking around without a clue?

[nostamj]

9. * KNEW about the first WTC hit BEFORE

he entered the Booker School.

that PR BS NEVER should have gone forward.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. How many lives

could have been saved in W or Rummie lifted a finger to stop the events that had been set in motion? They both certainly had enough time to prevent the Pentagon attack if not the second tower.

[BeFree]

14. Right!

It should have NEVER gone forward!

But it did supply enough time for every thing to proceed as planned.

Imagine if the "Defenders" of America had leaped to the defense immediately. Much less carnage would have ensued and the damages to America would not have been so severe. Just imagine...

[nostamj]

16. just imagine

if they had SCREAMED: Evacuate the 2nd Tower!!!!!

so many died there because they were told to 'go back to your desks'

(including, btw, Kristen Breitweiser's husband)

[BeFree]

18. 2nd Tower

Yeah.... they knew a second plane (hell they knew at least three others) had been hijacked. Imagine the lives that could have been saved if they had just got their shit together for a minute and at least started to defend America.

All we the people got was PR. No defense. Just PR. That's about it from this administration. All hat and no cattle.

[nostamj]

24. death toll in NYC...

could and SHOULD have been half what it was.

senior bushco staff KNEW, without question, that the first strike WAS a terrorist attack at a known target.

senior bushco staff KNEW, without question, that at least 3 other planes were hijacked and that one was on course for NYC.

this was NOT communicated to ANYONE in NYC that might have been able to convey the FACTS prior to the second strike on the WTC and save 100s of lives.

the proof of LIHOP is this: no one paid for their failures that day. no firing, no reprimands, nothing. in business, and BushCo is ONLY about business, you PAY for your screw-ups.

if no one paid (and no one has) then... it was NOT a screw-up. it was a SUCCESS.

"trifecta!" "fabulous"

[never cry wolf]

19. GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, they knew there were other hijacked planes in the air!!!

:nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad::nuke::grr::mad:

[Gore1FL]

39. They wanted

that extra 5 minutes of productivity....

[sam sarrha]

55. i believe that they wanted a bigger body count. a really big tragedy

that they could be used in whipping up the mindless nationalism necessary for the NEOCON's to rationalize their planed wars to take the gulf oil for national security and our civil rights to secure their power.

[Old and In the Way]

12. And the JCS was out of the country and

the acting JCS, Meyers, was not taking calls in Max Cleland's office.

All you need are a few people in command not reacting to the situation.....

[BeFree]

21. DOD

Wasn't the top general at the time on a flight over the Atlantic, heading for Europe? Let's connect some dots, shall we? A general in flight must have the very best of communications onboard his plane, right? He would be able to control military activities by secure communications from his plane, right? All the 9/11 players could be patched in, and all 9/11 orders given from that general's command post high over the Atlantic. All in secret. No land lines and no recordings.

Hell, if it's true the planes were remote controlled....what better place to do it than from a general's plane? Not saying it happened that way, but since they weren't defending us that day, what in the hell were they doing?

[Eloriel]

37. Not taking calls in Cleland's office?

Hmm. Tell me more. He and Cleland didn't know what was going on? Or what? Also, do you have a source for this?

Eloriel

[never cry wolf]

17. How do we know he wasn't notified

and just sat on it, that is more likely in my mind. He didn't mention it in his Larry King interview, but then why would he??

BTW: The following excerpt gave me chills, almost as if he is recanting the PNAC policy paper line about needing a Pearl Harbor type event in order to build up the military at a quicker pace.

Rumsfeld: I had said at an 8:00 o'clock breakfast that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve months there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people again how important it is to have a strong healthy defense department that contributes to -- That underpins peace and stability in our world. And that is what underpins peace and stability.

[AP]

15. I've been very interested in this issue for a while. I had a friend a

while ago who was in the Air National Guard in a border state. I'd ask him how his weekend of flying was, and he'd tell me that it was all intercepts of commercial jets flying off course. He said that the ANG always has jets on the ready. You sleep in the hanger with the jets, and when you get something straying off course (granted, into US air space) you can be out of your cot and next to the intercepted plane in minutes (I forget what he said, but it was like 4 or 6 minutes -- almost definitely less than 10) from the time they get the alarm, and they get the alarm immediately -- there's no waiting. If a plane isn't on course, and strays, the ANG is in the air with a full armed fighter jet.

Now, I put that together with the piece of information about that one fighter which was sent up to intercept the second jet which flew into the WTC. He said that he got there just behind the jet and it was too late to do anything.

It was almost like it was timed -- let the first one happen, send up someone for the second one, so you can say you tried, but don't give the alarm until you know it isn't going to get there in time.

I don't know enough about the timing for the Pentagon jet to draw a conclusion, but it looks like the fourth flight was so far behind schedule that there was no way in the world they could let that one reach its target.

(Hey, just imagine what Bush could have done if a jet flew into the white house or the capital building? He wouldn't have had to wait months to go into Iraq.)

[Pocho]

20. YOU'LL NEVER CONVINCE US. NEVER.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Pocho!!!!

Hey there! :)

[tkmorris]

25. BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Oh man that's priceless. Just perfect. I have Diet Coke up my nose to prove it :)

[Ardee]

45. Thanks old friend

as I read this thread I got sadder and angrier by the minute...then came your post and ,amidst the tears of rage, was a chuckle.......

[LittleApple81]

54. I really laughed when I saw this. But then... I remember the pictures of

the Iraqi prisoners taken during raids... with their bags on their heads and the hands tied to their backs and the soldier's boot on the back... and it made me very upset. Sorry, because what you posted is really funny.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

22. Nov 2000- Pentagon practiced commercial airplanes crashed into

The Pentagon has practiced for commercial airplanes being crashed into the Pentagon by terrorists. SO ANY TALK By the Condi/Bush White House that such a thing was 'never even thought of' is BS.

Just Read This from Nov 3, 2000

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Click here: Military District of Washington - News: Contingency planning Pentagon MASCAL exercise simulates scenarios in prepa

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html#NavSkip

Contingency planning Pentagon MASCAL exercise simulates
scenarios in preparing for emergencies
Story and Photos by Dennis Ryan
MDW News Service



(more photos - link at photo in article)

Click on image to view article's photos

Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.

Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.

The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, as the crash was called, was just one of several scenarios that emergency response teams were exposed to Oct. 24-26 in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room.

On Oct. 24, there was a mock terrorist incident at the Pentagon Metro stop and a construction accident to name just some of the scenarios that were practiced to better prepare local agencies for real incidents.

To conduct the exercise, emergency personnel hold radios that are used to rush help to the proper places, while toy trucks representing rescue equipment are pushed around the exercise table.

Cards are then passed out to the various players designating the number of casualties and where they should be sent in a given scenario.

To conduct the exercise, a medic reports to Army nurse Maj. Lorie Brown a list of 28 casualties so far. Brown then contacts her superior on the radio, Col. James Geiling, a doctor in the command room across the hall.

Geiling approves Brown's request for helicopters to evacuate the wounded. A policeman in the room recommends not moving bodies and Abbott, playing the role of referee, nods his head in agreement.

"If you have to move dead bodies to get to live bodies, that's okay," Abbott says as the situation unfolds .

Geiling remarked on the importance of such exercises.

"The most important thing is who are the players?" Geiling said. "And what is their modus operandi?"

Brown thought the exercise was excellent preparation for any potential disasters.

"This is important so that we're better prepared," Brown said. "This is to work out the bugs. Hopefully it will never happen, but this way we're prepared."

An Army medic found the practice realistic.

"You get to see the people that we'll be dealing with and to think about the scenarios and what you would do," Sgt. Kelly Brown said. "It's a real good scenario and one that could happen easily."

A major player in the exercise was the Arlington Fire Department.

"Our role is fire and rescue," Battalion Chief R.W. Cornwell said. "We get to see how each other operates and the roles and responsibilities of each. You have to plan for this. Look at all the air traffic around here."

Each participant was required to fill out an evaluation form after the training exercise.

"We go over scenarios that are germane to the Pentagon," Jake Burrell of the Pentagon Emergency Management Team said. 'You play the way you practice. We want people to go back to their organizations and look at their S.O.P. (standard operating procedure) and see how they responded to any of the incidents."

Burrell has coordinated these exercises for four years and he remarked that his team gets better each year.

Abbott, in his after action critique, reminded the participants that the actual disaster is only one-fifth of the incident and that the whole emergency would run for seven to 20 days and might involve as many as 17 agencies.

"The emergency to a certain extent is the easiest part," Abbott said. He reminded the group of the personal side of a disaster. "Families wanting to come to the crash sight for closure."

In this particular crash there would have been 341 victims.

(Ryan is a staff writer with the Fort Myer Military Community's Pentagram.)


http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/Contingency_Planning_Photos.html


A plane crash is simulated inside the cardboard courtyard of a surprisingly realistic-looking model Pentagon. This "tabletop" exercise was designed to help emergency relief personnel better prepare for disasters when they occur.

[Bushknew]

36. great post, you remind me of ewing2001

[SpiralHawk]

49. Fond memories of Ewing2001

I really miss him here at DU. Any chance that old wounds will ever be buried, and we can get him back. He was such a rich source of solid information.

Where is Ewing2003?

[Stephanie]

27. Will, is this what you were hinting at in the Lounge last week?

In that 'ten things you don't know about me' thread? Or are you sitting on something else? And when can we learn it?

[WilliamPitt]

28. Nope

This is just something I've had on my desk a while.

[Stephanie]

29. Ah. And the next question -

When can we learn the other? I speak for Manhattan. We need to know.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. Kick

:kick:

http://www.rememberjohn.com

in case any newbies don't know why we're pissed off

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. personally , i belong to the Poppa MIHOP School of Thought

[Bushknew]

33. PNAC = FULL STRENGTH MIHOP

The people at the Project For A The New American Century are now in power.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html

<<And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor.>>

These people are capable of anything, 911, the Clinton impeachment.

Will, I love to see a timeline of what was suppose to happen and what actually happened.

[Karenina]

40. Time to remove the paper bags...

:kick:

[Bushknew]

46. There really is a vast right wing conspiracy America, itÕs PNAC.

.

[dusty64]

41. This is VERY interesting.

Yet another reason explaining why our regime blocked a real investigation into 9/11. Maybe the truth will come out in the many lawsuits filed by the families of the victims.

[jenm]

42. first plane crash

Thanks for the link.

It is so symptomatic of the PNACs to enhance a little
grain of truth with lies. Have you looked closely at
the first tower crash footage? We know what it looks
like when a 767 crashes into a stationary wtc tower.
It's smooth. But the first crash, it's as if the plane
explodes on impact. Not the same situation at all.
The two crashes just didn't look alike.

http://frame21.cjb.net





jen

[SpiralHawk]

43. Paging Bev Harris: Time for a Media Blast

Just in time for 9/11. Every reporter in America ought to read this -- and tell the story.

[Solomon]

51. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Will

I keep making people mad by continually asking why wasn't standard operating procedures followed on 9/11. That's the most concise question to be asked about 9/11 and none of the media or politicians are asking it.

Some offended people have said to me that standard operating procedures were not followed because no one had ever hijacked planes in america, implying that we didn't know what to do. Incredible.

Good bookmark.

[Generic Other]

56. This is the part that I can't figure out. Someone please help!

"A NORAD spokesman says its fighters routinely intercept aircraft. When planes are intercepted, they typically are handled with a graduated response. The approaching fighter may rock its wingtips to attract the pilot's attention, or make a pass in front of the aircraft. Eventually, it can fire tracer rounds in the airplane's path, or, under certain circumstances, down it with a missile." Boston Globe, 9/15/01 on edit: date of quote


My question to you Will. Doesn't this section of the document contradict what the NORAD spokesman is saying in the Globe a few months later? Did this document change earlier longstanding orders?Is it the stand down order? It makes it seem as if the military was told they did not have authorization to fire on hijackers. But the NORAD spolesman says they can.

<snip>
Enclosure A
3 a. General. Military personnel will provide the following types of
support: intercept, surveillance, lift, equipment, and communications.
Military personnel may not participate in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity. This restriction would include the apprehension of aircraft hijackers or use of military aircraft (fixed-wing or helicopter) or other vehicles as platforms for gunfire or the use of other weapons against suspected hijackers.