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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:21 PM Original message |
PEAK OIL - Solution: Thermal Depolymerization |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. I remember seeing a show about this. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Con-Agra is in partnership with Changing World Technologies. |
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blurp (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. Greed itself is neutral |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I completely agree. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wood "producer" gas... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I was raised on a farm. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Also, much of the fuel is used for fertilizer to get desired food crops. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. It uses agricultural waste |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Where did those "waste agricultural products" come from? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You are talking about only the food part of a plant. |
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Peak_Oil (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Would this deplete the topsoil faster? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Crop rotation. |
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illflem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Not only would it deplete the soil faster |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Most plant decay takes place ON TOP of the soil. |
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illflem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Only in no till agriculture, |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Agreed. |
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Peak_Oil (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. TDP will help, that's for sure. |
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illflem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. We don't ramp up, instead conserve |
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Peak_Oil (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I don't know about that. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Ramping up should not be that hard. |
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Peak_Oil (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
73. Couple more questions. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. I agree that it's a supplement, not a complete solution |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. My answers. |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. NO,no |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Have you ever heard of crop rotation? |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. No it does not |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. What was not discussed is the mineral content as a byproduct |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. No Jose |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Gee, all this time I thought nitrogen in a usable form |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. It will certainly help in situations |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Good! |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. BTW, there is a "Peak Oil" DU Group |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Thanks. I hadn't noticed it. NT |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Oh Boy we get to keep spewing green house gases, Great. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Uh |
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illflem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I know quite a bit about this as I'm a researcher for the USDA |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I address that in my post. Didn't you read it? |
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Emillereid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
19. Thermal depolymerization is more recycling than original energy. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And your error is: Looking only at turkeys. |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. TDP in Carthage |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes, I have read about the smell. |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. RES or ConAgra It Doesn't Matter |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Did the e coli |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Wiki Article |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I do not see how any microbe could survive the high pressure/temperatures |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I am trying to talk about the TDP process itself. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. I have several problems with this... |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. deleted. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Thanks, that makes sense. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. BTW, what do you get from TDP? Heat? Combustible gasses? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Oil. Same as the stuff from wells, except cleaner. NT |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You piqued my interest so i checked your links |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. That's either by mass or by volume |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The point is that the output is not all oil (which would be ideal based on |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. the statement on the efficiency is misleading |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's true... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Basic thermodynamics time. |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Energy Degradation |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. if you'd use 15% to power the process then it'd be converted to usefull |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Yes, but unless the process is reversible (which it cannot be), |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. This has been much discussed |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. You are counting the same 15% twice. NT |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No, that's what you are doing: |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. No, I am not. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. you keep changing your argument: |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It's hopeless. |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. No. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Yes, 85% for the entire process |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. the article says different |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. But that's what I just said... |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You cannot define efficiency like that. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I went to Weight Watchers |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. But what would be the point in breaking it down further? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. disregard the very last sentence |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
53. Hydrocarbons are the same thing with the order of the words switched. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Yes, I greatly simplify some things in my posts. |
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nascarblue (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
56. An online "banned in the US" documentary on exactly this topic |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I'm watching it, there is NOTHING about TDP here. nt |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. about oil wars, not "Thermal Depolymerization" n/t |
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AG78 (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
76. So what's the downside? |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Downside? |
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