Was BushSR the gunman in the 'grassy knoll' ? in '63 The OCTOPUS

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

BushSR was in Texas the day the rt-wingers killed JFK.

BushSR was CIA in 1963. J Edgar Hoover's memo even refers
to Bush CIA that day in Texas.

BushSR was "in" the Bay of Pigs. The actual
boats used are named after his family members.

BushSR = The OCTOPUS

Those who have tried to exposed the OCTOPUS have ended up dead.


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http://www.apfn.org/apfn/octopus.htm

"The Octopus"

July 26, 1998

'The Octopus' "....no conspiracy can survive expose'......" Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro
http://www.constitution.org/col/octocaso.htm

Despite being in its fifteenth year the PROMIS story refuses to die. Largely disregarded by the major media at home and abroad, it simmers away in the background. In September this year, Inslaw's Bill Hamilton, has a new court hearing scheduled. In the meantime a number of interested parties continue to probe what may be the biggest story of criminality and high-level corruption during the past two decades. Whatever else may happen, Danny Casolaro's untimely death will not be forgotten.

Link gone as of 01/13/01
http://www.copi.com/articles/Guyatt/octopus.html



The following article comes from the 'TC TECHNICAL CONSULTANT',
Nov.-Dec., 1991 issue:

Link gone as of 01/13/01
http://american-photo.com/paparazzi/diana/DianaWEBwords/DOCS/dulce-1.html
"The death of a journalist in West Virginia, plus the jailing of
an alleged CIA computer consultant in Washington State may be
elements of a much wider scandal that could have serious impli-
cations for the Bush White House in 1992.
"What started out as an investigation of an apparent case of
pirated software has grown to be a project involving hundreds of
journalists all over the world.


"The dead journalist, Joseph Daniel 'Danny' Casolaro was
found dead August 10th in a motel room in West Virginia. His
wrists were slashed seven times on each wrist and a suicide note
was found nearby. The only manuscript of his book, with accom-
panying notes, WAS MISSING.


"The book, provisionally titled 'The Octopus', was meant to be
an explosive expose of misdeeds by the Justice Department
under the Reagan administration. Time Magazine also reported
that Casolaro's research centered on gambling and attempted
arms deals at the CABAZON reservation near Indio (California -
Branton).


.........lots lots lots more..........

[Old and In the Way]

1. I read that the boats in the CIA Bay of Pigs invasion were:

Houston, Barbara, and Zapata

Hmmmm Bush lived in Houston, his wife was named Barbara, and his oil business was named Zapata. I understand Kennedy refused military support for this black ops operation, then goes on record that he wants to shut down this renegade outfit....

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

2. dont forget the Chairman of Joints Chiefs of Staff pushed NORTHWOODS

The Chairman of The Joint Chiefs Of Staff PUSHED JKF
hard, and I MEAN HARD to implement OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

OPERATION NORTHWOODS = US govt would terrorize & kill Americans
to help 'justify' the war the military brass wanted with Cuba.

BushSR WANTED THAT WAR WITH CUBA !!!!


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READ ABOUT OPERATION NORTHWOODS IN BAMFORD's book -

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/4383

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OPERATION NORTHWOODS

The Joint Chiefs of Staff's plan to terrorize and
kill Americans was OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

Why would the US military and industrial complex
push such a plan ? -- to help 'justify' a war to the
duped American public.

That 'plan' was real.

The plan was not just proposed by a lone military
or CIA faction, IT WAS PROPOSED AND SIGNED OFF BY THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF.

And its all true.

OUR Goverment wanted to terrorize and kill Americans
to scare Americans 'into a war'.

------------------------------------------

actual US military documents from the National Security Archives(online) that the author used for his book - Body of Secrets, which exposed and documented the Joint Chiefs of Staff plans to terrorize/murder Americans solely to 'justify' to the American public the war the military wanted to start against Cuba - Operation Northwoods.


There is absolutely no doubt. The information is not heresay, nor is conjecture. The National Security Archives documentation is the March 13, 1962 TOP SECRET Joint Chiefs of Staff's report.




Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.

here's an excerpt of the book review at Amazon -

"...In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba."

--------------------------------------------

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

April 30, 2001


In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington, including sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated), faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a Remember the Maine incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.



Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba , March 13, 1962, TOP SECRET, 15 pp.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

3. letter to Janet Reno re: death of Paul Wilcher

http://www.webcom.com/~pinknoiz/covert/wilcher.html

FROM: Garby Leon
Columbia Pictures
Culver City, CA
July 14, 1993

TO: The Honorable Janet Reno
Attorney General of the United States
Department of Justice - Room 4400
Tenth and Constitution Ave N.E.
Washington, DC 20530

Dear Madame Attorney General,

I am writing because I feel the death of Paul Wilcher deserves your most serious attention, and should be investigated by your most trusted officials in the Department of Justice.

Paul Wilcher, like Danny Casolaro, was investigating possible government involvement in a variety of questionable activities, including the controversial October Surprise allegations and the INSLAW case, his researches leading him into areas that Casolaro had covered earlier. In his quest Wilcher made himself known in and around Capitol Hill as a persistent gadfly, trying to spur inquiries into possible government malfeasance in several areas. He had contacts with, among others, Lee Hamilton, William Webster, Elliot Richardson and Ross Perot.

By late May, Wilcher said his information had gone beyond Casolaro's and he felt this made him a da"danger signal.U In three weeks, he was dead.

I feel that the two deaths, Casolaro's and Wilcher's, offer disturbing parallels, outlined below.

On the 23rd of June, 1993, the body of Paul Wilcher was discovered in his Washington DC apartment. This is not a certainty, since to my knowledge no evidentially identification--no fingerprint or dental x- ray matching-- was made before the body's reported cremation two weeks ago.

Present at the scene after Wilcher's death was noted White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who knew Wilcher well and who had alerted authorities that he was missing. McClendon was unable to identify the body as Wilcher after viewing the remains.

McClendon has been told that preliminary autopsy results have found "no natural cause of death, and no other cause of death to explain Wilcher's demise. Given that Wilcher, in his 40s, was in apparent good health, this seems fairly astonishing.

A much larger issue is also implied here: if critics of our government are found dead in their bathrooms from obscure causes, and the government itself doesn't take steps to find out why, then our freedoms themselves are threatened--as well as the activities that protect those freedoms.

If individual investigation and criticism of government activities is chilled or intimidated into silence, then democracy loses its most important protection.

To put it another way, if Danny Casolaro's death was a message of some kind, then Wilcher's death is an even grimmer message--it suggests that Casolaro's death was not a fluke. Anyone inspired to follow Casolaro or Wilcher's path now has a strong added reason to fear doing so.

And a real investigation into Wilcher's death might not be an academic exercise. One person who is extremely close to and knowledgeable about the Casolaro case has said in private that the mystery of Casolaro's death could be resolved by a Grand Jury investigation, with sworn testimony, subpoena power, etc. This suggests Paul Wilcher's death may not have to remain a mystery either.

Paul Wilcher was an acquaintance of mine. He was not a perfect person; he made mistakes like anyone else but he was also, at times, a man of unusual energy and altruism. A seminary student who considered becoming a priest, he later became an attorney is his efforts to accomplish some good in this world.

Overall, I fell he was a good man. He didn't deserve to die.

Personally, I don't believe he died of natural causes.

*

In the following pages are brief remarks regarding A) disturbing parallels between the Casolaro and Wilcher cases; B) Police, FBI and CIA presence at the scene; C) other information about Wilcher's death; and D) possible further forensic investigation.

Mme. Attorney General, I feel the death of Paul Wilcher offers too many questions and inconsistencies to be ignored. I am writing because I feel this matter deserves your most serious attention,and hope this letter will bring some action on your part to answer some of the many, very troubling questions raised by Paul Wilcher's death.

Sincerely,

Garby Leon
(PhD, Harvard University)

DISTURBING PARALLELS BETWEEN THE WILCHER AND CASOLARO CASES:

Both were investigating possible government involvement in illegal activities.

Each was acting on his own, with dogged persistence, over a long time period.

Both Casolaro and Wilcher expressed fears, shortly before their deaths, that their lives were in danger because their investigations had led into sensitive territory. Casolaro was known to have received direct phone call threats, and told his brother shortly before he died, "If something happens to me, it won't be an accident."

As stated, Wilcher told at least one other person at the end of May that he feared he'd become a "danger signal" because his information on government malfeasance had gone beyond Casolaro's. In three weeks he was dead.

Both decedents' bodies were found in bathrooms, in bizarre circumstances (Casolaro a supposed suicide though forensic evidence cast substantial doubt on this; Wilcher, a man in good health, propped up on a toilet but showing no discernible cause of death).

In both cases, the scene of death was sealed off and made inaccessible, then cleaned, preventing any further official or independent investigation (the motel room where Casolaro was found was industrially cleaned the next day; Wilcher's apartment was sealed off and no one was allowed to enter; it was also cleaned the next day. I am unaware of any subsequent, serious investigation or crime report released to the public in either case).

In both cases, personal records, documents, computer files and/or other information belonging to the decedents are apparently not officially accounted for. Casolaro's briefcase and personal records were not found at the scene of his death. While Wilcher's family reportedly has taken possession of some personal belongings, the location of Wilcher's complete files, the result of years of hard work, is not publicly known.

In both cases, rapid alterations were made to the corpse making further forensic study difficult or impossible. Casolaro was embalmed shortly after death without family consent; Wilcher was cremated, as remarked above, without fingerprint or other evidential identification of the body, and without complete forensic examination to determine cause of death.

In both cases, forensic evidence relating to the corpses is scant.

In neither case was any kind of inquest held, no official testimony taken under oath, nor was any thoroughgoing official investigation undertaken (at least publicly). Nor has any official report been released in either case.

POLICE, FBI & CIA PRESENCE AT THE SCENE, JUNE 23, 1993:

According to Mr. MASON O. LIDELL JR. (637 Third St. NE, Apt. B-03, DC 20002) superintendent of Wilcher's building, a Lieutenant and a Sergeant from the D. C. Police (with the help of firemen to force the door) entered Wilcher's apartment at about 11:30 AM on June 23rd. Three detectives from DC Police entered and found Wilcher's computer was turned on. When they read what was on the computer screen, they summoned the FBI. There is no further information on what the screen actually said.

After entering the apartment and getting a brief glance at the body and the apartment, Lidell was ordered to leave. The apartment was sealed off for the rest of the day, except for official personnel. The body was removed at about 12:30 according to Lidell (who didn't witness this), though he did mention that when he entered the apartment later, there was blood on the floor and on the commode which wasn't present earlier. He was told that this was because of measures taken to move the body.

At about 4:30 in the afternoon FBI Agents arrived. Sarah McClendon was also present, though not allowed in the apartment itself. She says two groups of four FBI Agents - eight FBI Agents in all - arrived and asked questions. McClendon checked their identification, which seemed convincing. According to Lidell at least three FBI Agents entered the apartment during the 4:30 to 7:30 time period.

Then, according to Lidell, one man appeared and said he was CIA (without offering identification). He joined the FBI agents in the Wilcher apartment during the 4:30 to 7:30 time period. More people could have entered during this time Lidell says "he returned to his own apartment and didn't keep track."

Lidell says that an NBC camera crew was prevented from entering the apartment. Aside from firemen, medical personnel to remove the body and the above Government agents, no one was allowed in the apartment for the entire day - no reporters, friends, media crews, etc. This raises a question: why no other observers, since police okayed cleaning of the apartment the very next day?

Ms. McClendon phoned the FBI to ask about the presence of FBI Agents; later MR. JAMES V. DESARNO JR., Assistant Special Agent in Charge from the D. C. Metropolitan Office, arrived. Mr. Desarno also asked questions, but strongly denied that the FBI was interested in or involved in the case. "We are not interested in this case," he told McClendon, Lidell and others repeatedly.

This seems curious. If Wilcher was a "nobody" why the official presence and vehement expression of non-involvement "ironic" with so many agents present? How could Desarno know the FBI would or wouldn't be involved without an investigation or known cause of death? Why all the secrecy and denial? Why the presence of the CIA?

OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT WILCHER'S DEATH

Only a few slight pieces of information have filtered down about public officials and others involved in the Wilcher matter:

Two FBI Agents present at the scene were JAMES V. DESARNO, as remarked, and CRAIG OLSON, both of the D. C. Metropolitan Office: 1900 Half Street SW, Washington DC 20535. [phone], both at same address and office.

The DC police officer in charge of investigating the Wilcher death is named BRIAN HENRY, [phone].

Coroner for the government is a DR. KIM, who performed the autopsy, the results of which have not been released.

Building superintendent MASON LIDELL (202-543-2751) was questioned by Desarno and others, and has kindly provided information in this letter.

One friend of Wilcher's phoned apartment 302 in Wilcher's building (across from his) and got a taped answer message on the telephone intercom. The message said (paraphrasing) "This is a government telephone line, no longer in service" or words to that effect. Phone records, occupancy etc. from this address should be investigated.

POSSIBLE FURTHER FORENSIC INVESTIGATION:

Given the inconclusive autopsy results, further testing of the forensic evidence would seem to be crucial. Wilcher's body fluids, sent by the D. C. Medical Examiner to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology at Walter Reed Hospital, haven't yielded any clue as to cause of death. Apparently coroner Dr. Kim is still in possession of Wilcher's heart.

Sarah McClendon is petitioning Dr. JOYE CARTER of the D. C. Medical Examiner's office to submit this forensic evidence for further study. Dr. Carter hasn't moved with alacrity to permit or facilitate this.

McClendon would like to submit the evidence to a DR. MASON, one of the top forensic toxicologists in the U. S. (Dr. Mason: 2300 Stratford Ave, Willow Grove, Pennsylvania, 215 657-4900). Dr. Mason feels it is extremely significant that no cause of death has been found, a rarity in his experience.

*****

Perhaps, Mme. Attorney General, you can aid in investigating this and other crucial aspects of Paul Wilcher's death. Thank you for any consideration in response to this request

Garby Leon.

[birdman]

4. Oh yeah, the Bushies whacked JFK

Personally, I think Batboy is behind everything.

[Yupster]

26. My money is on

Joe DiMaggio when he found out JFK was screwing Marilyn Monroe.

Either The Yankee Clipper or the elusive hominid Bigfoot.

[Fridays Child]

5. The Guyatt article is still online.

http://www.copi.com > www.copi.com > articles > guyatt > octopus.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. when asked "where and what were you doing" on the day JFK was killed?

every person (regardless of their political persausion) who was at least 5/7 years of age recalls exactly where and what they were doing when they heard the news of JFK's assianation....except for Bush Sr.....and he was in Dallas that day .....but when asked in an interviewed about where and what he was doing he said he "doesn't remember"...hmmmm?

[tinanator]

11. dont forget Nixon as well

both have the same lapse of memory, and similar coordinates. Only GHWB's phone number was in Morenschildt's(?, Oswald's "friend") phone book after he conveniently died right before being brought in to the Church Committee, correct?

[9215]

15. Do you have a source for this?

I've heard this about Bush not remembering where he was on Nov. 22, 1963 but have never seen a credible source.

Thanks.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. 9215..i heard him say it in a TV interview...can't recall with who but

i do recall it was with one of the big kuhuna's of air media...i will try and find it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. found this refference to GHWB's failed memory RE: 11/22/63

scroll down to date: Nov. 22..but read this whole timeline it is VERY interesting
http://www.geocities.com/dicedoc98/
"Richard Nixon is in Dallas on November 22, 1963 for a convention of Pepsi-Cola executives. He leaves by plane an hour before the assassination. Oil executive, George Bush may have been in Dallas as well. (Bush can't recall exactly where he was when JFK was shot.) Dallas billionaire oilman H. L. Hunt joins General Edwin Walker in a secret hideaway in Mexico where "they remained for a month," according to foreign intelligence agents. David Ferrie drives 350 miles through a thunderstorm from New Orleans to Texas on the day of the assassination. Ferrie claimed a sudden urge to go ice skating, but spent his time at the Winterland Skating Rink's pay phone according to the rink manager."


so far...i am still looking and won't rest until i find the damn transcripts...

[BiggJawn]

25. Well, he couldn't very well say...

..."I was in a storm drain catchbasin in Dallas Texas, with a Winchester 700 chambered in 6.5 Mannlicher, waiting for a Limo..." could he?

his crew whacked JFK AND Bobby, might have had something to do with MLK, Poppy got impatient and had his boy tell Hinckley he'd get to score with Jody Foster if he took out Dutch, and I don't know WHY he tried to have "Graceful Gerald" whacked, unless it was because of the Warren Commission...

Bush Family="Assasinations 'R' Us"...

Say...Do you suppose Prescott had anything to do with the attempts on FDR, like "The Battle of Blair House"? That was a furked-up operation that just screams "BUSH DIDIT!"

[dflprincess]

7. I don't think he was the gunman

You know a Bush would never do the actual dirty work. Far too much risk, better to get a lackey to do it.

I do find it interesting that he claims not to remember where he was when he heard when Kennedy was shot. It makes him the only person who was more than 5 years old that day who doesn't have an alibi.

[maggrwaggr]

8. I at first thought the thread was silly, then I read .....

the posts and WOW there's some interesting stuff here.

I agree with the other poster -- Bush would never do the hit himself, but he sure would be in charge of it.

Scary stuff. NORTHWOODS is the big granddaddy that people need to know about. Everybody needs to know about this.

[Solomon]

12. I disagree with the notion that Bush would never have done a hit himself.

At some point early on, Bush HAD to actually do some dirty work. You are never respected enough to climb the ladder unless you do. You must have a "reputation" for hurting people.

This is a prime example of how the cabal evades scrutiny. Nobody would ever believe it.

Some of us are more objectionable. And by that I mean we take nothing for granted and are willing to look at evidence. Most people will not look at evidence which tends to cast doubt on what they want to believe.

Nothing should be dismissed as outrageous. Nothing.

[maggrwaggr]

21. you're right. I just can't picture the guy as a crack marksman

or any kind of ballsy assassin.

I also figured that the JFK assassination was a mob hit. I was born in 1962, so it was just before my time, but in everything I've seen and read, it just smells like a mob hit to me. They sure had motive. They helped get him elected, then he turned on them. The mob ain't too keen on that.

[Eloriel]

9. Good stuff here

:kick:

Eloriel

[Wapsie B]

10. I don't think Poppy was on the grassy knoll,

but I do believe that he had more than a little to do with the killing.

[Cocoa]

13. Is Bush a marksman?

He was a pilot in WWII, and he's supposed to be a skilled boat driver, I never heard of him being an expert shooter. I've seen him golfing and fishing, but never hunting except for in a very funny SNL skit.

[htuttle]

14. The two 'smoking gun' data points (but no conclusive proof)

There are two items that raise great suspicion about Poppy Bush and the Kennedy assassination. I found a summary of them on an indymedia site. That in and of itself is not corroboration of any of these allegations, but I'll include a link in any case since there's a fair amount of information there. However, both items HAVE been corroborated elsewhere: One from the JFK FBI investigation documents, and the other from the Nixon tape transcripts.

Here are the two 'smoking data points':

1963. JFK is assassinated in Dallas. The involvement of Cubans, CIA operatives in Florida (Felix Rodriguez), and the questionable activities of Bush, Richard Nixon, Texas oil moguls and Texas politicians during the period, are detailed by numerous assassination researchers. J. Edgar Hoover interviews a "George Bush of the CIA" regarding "anti-Castro exile reaction" to the murder.

1973. The Watergate Break-In is conducted by anti-Castro Cubans and CIA agents tied to the Bay of Pigs: Rodriguez, Bernard Barker (former Cuban secret police), Frank Sturgis, E. Howard Hunt, and Eugenio Rolando Martinez. Nixon tapes reveal that the objective is to hide evidence regarding "Dallas" and "the Bay of Pigs thing." Bush assists Nixon in the coverup, and the stonewalling of the Congress.
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/hawaii/bush_crime.txt

When put together, it leads one to the suspicion that right-wing Cubans had some involvement in the Kennedy assassination, with the possible knowledge or assistance of GHW Bush. There is additional evidence in various biographical materials about Poppy Bush that he was heavily involved in arranging the logistics for the Bay of Pigs invasion attempt (particularly in acquiring boats -- one of the boats was supposedly christened 'The Barbara', IIRC).

Poppy Bush involved in the assassination? Hell, I don't know. There are degrees of involvement to consider as well.

Suspicious? Yes. Suspicious as hell. As it may always be, since the Warren Commission held the distinction of being the most half-hearted 'independent' investigation of a national tragedy before the 9/11 Commission came along.

[Emillereid]

17. As I read through this stuff I promise I'll keep my mind open --

but my first thought was that this stuff is analogous to the stories that the right wing spun accusing Clinton of murder, etc. Why should I treat these accusations and proofs as more legitimate?

[tinanator]

19. cuz theyre true?

DOnt believe anything you read on a message board. There is tons of documented info on GHWB and the assassination. There may or may not be an excuse for not knowing this already. The most aggravating thing about the JFK topic is the dedicated disinformation program that has been at work since days before the killing. They manage to flood the internet and search engines with garbage to keep the unconvinced off balance. All they desire is PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. Thats all the require for a news story, if one ever was run.
-Also a misleading subject line like this threads serves a similar function, by making the poster look exageratedly out of whack, although the post is full of good stuff. It is important to avoid the flimsy suppositions when presenting serious, meaty indictments of known actions. Be serious and empirical when treading darkened corridors. Facts will slay opponents once you know them as such.

[maggrwaggr]

22. read the links, especially the Northwoods stuff. That's the good stuff

Yeah, the JFK thing is a big stretch for me, too, but the Bay of Pigs stuff and the Northwoods stuff, even if you leave out the Bush part of it, is fascinating and scary, and WAY TOO close to home, i.e. 9/11

[Old and In the Way]

20. An earlier DU thread with lots of references

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=16961&forum=DCForumID66

Here is a pic, reputed to be Oswold watching the assassination scene...
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And who is this person?

<http://www.ciajfk.com/images/ghwb-2.htm>

[maggrwaggr]

23. that picture looks bogus to me. Too much depth of field

considering the lens used was an extreme telephoto. It looks like the car was pasted in. In fact the whole thing looks like a cut and paste job.

Sorry, it doesn't hold up to photographic scrutiny. I mean EVERYTHING is in focus, and with a lens that looks like about a 300mm based on the foreshortening, there wouldn't be unlimited depth of field like that, even stopped down to f/16 or 22.

[sandnsea]

24. The Bushies were involved

I totally believe that. And look at the Warren Commission, everybody on that thing ended up in big time politics one way or another. Kennedy wouldn't back up the Bay of Pigs, then he wanted to pull out of Vietnam, plus he wanted to take away the oil recapture money. I don't think Poppy would actually have done the killing, but I thoroughly believe they were involved. Especially watching the Chimp operate. They're capable of anything.