How Far Left Is The Average DUer

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[LearnedHand]

1. kick

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. what does "kick" mean

nt

[JohnKleeb]

12. kick means like bump

you have nothing to say so you :kick: up to the top of the fourm. At the gaming fourms I call to they say bump and I remember there was this guy wanz4 and I think he is still there to this day he couldnt shut up about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Thank You

Are you still in school?

[CentristDemocrat]

2. Anyone who votes "in the mainstream" is on crack.

[StopThief]

3. Exactly!!!!

There must be some AWFULLY good drugs out there. The correct answer is that the average DUer is to the left of 90% of Americans.

[newsguyatl]

4. i dunno

there are some pretty moderate folks here if you ask me...

but then again, this is coming from someone who sees al franken as a moderate

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I've Read Franken's Books

Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot and Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them and I can say Al is a garden variety liberal*...


That makes him like me a socialist pinko fag to the Freepers and sometimes a conservative Democrat to folks on this board...



*by garden variety liberal I mean Brookings Institute, Harvard Kennedy School of government stuff not that I was anywhere smart enough to attend the Kennedy School of Government...

[ronzo]

6. Pfffff....

You'd be amazed how many pissed off moderates are here... ex-repubs, that is... Independents... movie stars.

ronzo

[CentristDemocrat]

8. I'm one of 'em!!!

I'm a moderate, centrist Democrat.

[GreenArrow]

5. both answers are correct

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[maggrwaggr]

7. depends on where you live. Here in Santa Monica CA

I'm probably right about in the average. You see a lot of Dean bumper stickers here, and "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER".

It might be one of the more liberal enclaves in the US. Also rich as shit. go figure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. This Board Is Way To The Left Of Dean....

I believe Dean has supported every military action since and including Gulf War 1 except for Gulf War 2.

Dean supported Gulf War 1

The no fly zones

The sanction regime against Iraq

The Clinton/Blair policy of intermittent bombing of Iraq

The Afghanistan invasion


I'll bet > 70% of DUers opposed one or more of these actions.

[spooky3]

33. it's called noblesse oblige,

or rationality and caring about the future of the country.

[Shanty Oilish]

9. Acc to the Are You A Socialist poll, we are off the scale

I thought I was lefty, now I wonder!

[DemVet]

13. Does the average DUer....

....represent Democrats in America as a whole?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Hell No

As someone who has been active in Democratic Party politics I would say some of the folks on this board would have party members scurrying from the room...


This board is way to the left of most Dems but I'll make common cause with any small d democrat that wants to replace *

[buddhamama]

18. yep

we sure do. we are the side of the average Democrat that isn't afraid to question and act out. we have decided there had to be more to change than getting bogged down in party tricks. we take the shit so they don't have to.

look at the issues that are being discussed by the current pres candidates universal health care, NAFTA and the WTO, The War...
the left.

[dmr]

26. I think so, DemVet, and welcome to DU

It's the party that has changed and shifted right, not the Democratic voter. The thing about DU, DemVet, we have members from all walks of the left, and some are more vocal than others, so one day DU may appear moderate and the next we may appear far left. Shoot, there was a time, DU seemed to be green! So you never know from one day to the next what will happen here. It all depends on who is, and how much they are posting. Also, a lot of members barely post at all, but they are here reading! Some days this place gets kinda noisey, but the noise doesn't necessarily mean it represents the majority of the membership.

DU is a great place and has something for everyone - somewhere on the board. Glad you are here. :)

[KG]

17. the 'mainstream'?

kind like the middle of the road'? where the yellow stripes and dead dogs?

fuck mainstream, it sucks. and without a good dose of radicalism, no real positive change is going to occur anytime soon in this country.

those who still believe the effacacy of the ballot box are dellusional.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. "those who still believe in the efficacy of the ballot box are delusional"

I'll defer to my favorite political philosopher -:) -John Lennon

" You say you wanna revolution well we're all doing what we can but when you talk about destruction don't you know you can count me out."

[buddhamama]

23. who's talking about destruction

define radical?

when you are afrid of your shadow walking the streets at night is considered radical.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I was responding to the quote

"those that still believe in the efficacy of the ballot box are delusional"

If we can't change things at the ballot box how are we going to change things?

Besides being nice to our neighbors, doing volunter work and stuff like that...


Radical comes from the word root.... A radical wants to make root change in the system...

Notice , I didn't call anybody a radical... I don't like to call people names... It's not nice and it's not particulaly productive.

[buddhamama]

27. in lots of ways

IrateCitizen made an observation the other day that fits here nicely.

While the number of voters has decreased over the yrs , the number of persons joining Organizations has increased. see?

that is where change is being created outside the voting booth. they're applying pressure through other means.
with the corruption in politics is it no wonder citizens no longer trust the system.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I Can Accept That...

but the pres appoints the federal judges and that has a huge impact on how we live...

[KG]

31. when electoral choice is looking more and more like

two sides of the same coin, change will not start at the ballot box.

IC is prescient, he is noting the re-emergence of activism. indeed, major 'radical' changes like womens suffrage, the civil rights movement, labor unions, and the environment movement started as grass roots activist movements whose effects were only later reflected as choices on a ballot.

[buddhamama]

32. agreed.

it is the path i have taken- activism.

the worst kind too, i'm a low-life activist. i have nothing to lose. unlike you elite activists ;-)

(btw,KG,i am glad you responded to me. i was beginning to think you had me ignore.)

[KG]

35. heaven forfend!

you are one my fave Far Fringe Lefties! :)

[Northwind]

19. Ideally

I am to the far left of anyone else I have ever met.

Practically I know it ain't gonna happen though.

[buddhamama]

20. how far must we go to make ourselves feel better

how many polls must be conducted and stats digested for the non-leftists to feel secure in their superiority over the left.
how many millions does it take to convince you that you are in the majority, "if so many feel as i do then shit, i must be right." woohoo, doesn't that feel good."

wrap yourself in numbers.don't it just make ya' feel all warm and fuzzy!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Am A Leftist -To The Left Of Center

My politics are prolly to the left of 80% of Americans...


I didn't ask if folks were to the left of me I asked if folks here were to the left of most Americans....

I also don't believe that embracing one ideology over another makes one superior....


on edit- SelectSmart said I was 92% Green so I must be pretty far left...

[Isome]

21. But, but, but...

Didn't I see you post in another thread about a similar subject? It was about socialism: who considers themselves a socialist.

What's the point in creating a poll asking people about something that's wholly subjective, and couldn't be objectively answered by DUers anyway? If, in the final analysis it matters only that we're all Democrats, why do you need to know how democratic the Democrats are on this site?

[Bake]

29. It depends on what you think the "mainstream" is

If you assume, as the Pukes would love for you to do, that THEY are the mainstream, then probably all of us are WAY to the left.

If the mainstream comprises people who believe in fairness, equality, and a regulated capitalism, then there are a lot here who are either mainstream or only slightly to the left.

Bake

[robbedvoter]

30. Excellent! Voted mainstream - not on crack. Just don't buy

Fux's definition of mainstream. I am a proud liberal democrat - I live in NYC. I also think that considering the last poll numbers, I am not just mainstream, but the overwhelming majority.

[tom_paine]

34. Not enough choice here -- skewed poll

Gotta tell it like I see it.

These are facile choices, neither expressive enough to demarcatae the nuanced choices available.

For instance -- I consider myself a moderate -- I don't desire the destruction of conservative NOR liberal thought but neither should be all-powerful. But my observations on what is going on in this coutnry put me well out of the hypnotized harried hurried whatcanIdo "mainstream".

Would I love to return to that old way of thinking? Of coruse. But my point is that my situation, and probably the situation of most DUers, can't be cuubyholed and especially under the two choice you have goven here DSB.

And, equally as such, I won't be voting in it because my choice is NONE OF THE ABOVE!