Odds of "Martial Law" Being Declared?

[Vinnie From Indy]

USA Today is running a story about Shrub's intent to bitch slap Syria and Iran in his next term and it includes a revealing tidbit of what might be in store for all of us. The story hints that the BushCo. Empire will use a terror related event, real or manufactured, as a reason to declare martial law and nullify the Constitution. I would imagine that this is their "last resort" strategy, but who knows with these guys. I keep hoping that some sane members of the Republican party step forward now, before they too are helpless and under the dictator's boot.

Story:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-01-bush-abroad_x.htm

[mourningdove92]

1. I don't see anything in this article that hints that

Bushco will use a terror related incident and declare martial law.

Not that I would put it past him, but I don't see anything in this particular article that indicates that.

[rodeodance]

7. uu.. I thought ss and tax reform and tort reform were his priorities?

......."The first priority has got to be getting Iraq right," said Max Boot, a conservative expert on national security at the Council on Foreign Relations.

But in the short run, the Bush administration also must juggle a complicated response to the devastation from tsunamis across South Asia amid some international sniping that the rich United States is not doing enough.

The massive relief effort — for which the United States increased its financial aid commitment Friday to $350 million — is drawing attention away from preparations for elections scheduled for Jan. 30 in Iraq, but the distraction will probably be brief.

Bush pledged to give it plenty of attention, saying in his weekly radio address Saturday that "we join the world in feeling enormous sadness over a great human tragedy." ......

[imenja]

12. the piece is about foreign policy

I would have thought that was obvious. None of the concerns listed are domestic. It's a foreign policy piece.

[Rockerdem]

29. Dimson will be a lot more toothless than most of us think, possibly

New foreign policy adventures will take some sort of Congressional vote. Doubtful imho.

And can anyone explain Rehnquist and O'Connor. Neither of them want to be there anymore, but they seem to be reluctant to leave while * is still on the "job". My guess is that one or both will be replaced by *'s successor. He is that out of it.

[Last Lemming]

14. Yeah--but

remember when they floated the "delay elections"--that was exactly what you envision and even Rush Limbaugh said--naww don't even go there

[Last Lemming]

15. That doesn't mean they aren't planning to

it just means that Rush was getting cold feet

[imenja]

2. The article says nothing of the sort

It's an assessment of what the author (an unnamed Associated Press journalist) predicts will be the foreign policy priorities of the administration over the next four years. The last paragraph observes:

"As prominent as Iraq appears in U.S. foreign policy now, it is useful to remember that priorities can change quickly.

Recall how different the world, and the U.S. perspective on it, seemed before the terror attacks of Sept. 11 2001, said Cronin.

One single act of terrorism can completely change this agenda, one huge financial crisis, one assassination" of an ally, Cronin said. "It's incredible how you can go in with one agenda and come out with another. "

You need to provide the quote for your point about martial law, because I see it mentioned no where in the article and I've read it three times.
Is it possible you included an incorrect link?


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[camby]

3. OK, reality check time.

Before we go too far down this path, let us consider a scant 6-7 years ago, when the far right was thinking that Clinton was going to impose martial law:

<http://www.radioliberty.com/nljune98.htm>

<http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004sG>

Not to say it couldn't happen, but there are a lot more probable scenarios that actually ARE being discussed seriously (such as the brewing Social Security "reform"), so let's focus on them and refrain from fear mongering. It was fear mongering (reference the links above) that helped get us into this predicament to begin with.

[bemis12]

5. And when

a lot of tin-foil hatters were saying that Bush would declare martial law and cancel the election.

[Tess49]

4. Did we read the same article?

The link you provided mentioned nothing about martial law in the US. Maybe you could post that part.

[Delphinus]

6. Two things,

first, this quote:
"You see, free societies do not export terror," Bush said.

All I can say to this is, right. We're a "free" society and aren't we a very large exporter of terror?

Two, Vinnie, I'm very surprised that USA Today is running such a conspiracy theory (I'm trusting that it's in there because it wasn't plain to me). This terror related event scenario has been on the 'net (as well as in the back of my mind).

[roenyc]

9. something like this would be just the thing

to take a countrys mind off a fixed election. or a 9/11 investigation. heck its 1984 kids.

[spooked]

8. Funny how Hitler did the same thing with the

burning of the Reichstag

[roenyc]

10. there ya go.

that would be our 9/11

[cosmicdot]

11. which line in particular are you referring to?

I may have missed the tidbit you refer, but I couldn't find any hints at all re real or manufactured terror related event or martial law or nullify the Constitution ...

... not saying they won't (or haven't re Patriot Acts, executive orders-in-place, etc.) ... just that I didn't read that in the USA Today article ... no doubt though that we're in for a bumpy ride ... a destiny usurped through fraud and more ...

I found **'s comment sadly ironic:

"We have a vital interest in the success of a free Iraq. You see, free societies do not export terror," Bush said.

[Vinnie From Indy]

13. I must have grabbed the wrong tinfoil hat at the party last night!

The one I am wearing seems a bit tight. Upon reading the article again, I agree that my posting was a bit too exuberant.

"One single act of terrorism can completely change this agenda, one huge financial crisis, one assassination" of an ally, Cronin said. "It's incredible how you can go in with one agenda and come out with another. "



I still believe that martial law card is in the BushCo. deck and that it could be played if the circumstances warrant it.

[BeHereNow]

23. Actually Vinnie, it is already set

If you read the Patriot acts, the proposals for
Intelligence czar and all the executive orders
passed at midnight on Saturdays- martial law is
here.
Currently, if youtry to cross the borders with
significant assets, you will be prevented from doing so.
Fact is, Amercians have not yet tried to resist
anything in a significant way, therefore all of the
legislative barbed wire, economic and other wise
has not yet been utilized in a noticiable way-
however, it is there.
Homeland Security is NOT about protecting us-
it is about controlling us within legal boundaries
when we DO start to resist in a significant way.
My conclusion after reading the Patriot Acts
and following the executive orders signed by
Nero.
Martial law is in place, invisible because it has
not yet been activated by massive civilian disobedience
in protest to the shitstorm that is coming across our plains.
BHN

[Carolab]

16. Stop with the "scare shit" already

what's your purpose anyway?

[Vinnie From Indy]

17. Scare Shit? LOL

Quite the wordsmith aren't you?

If I am correct in deciphering your eloquent post, you are upset that I hold the opinion that BushCo. might invoke martial law at some point in the future. I believe you refer to my expression of my opinion as "scare shit". It is doubtful that you could accurately peg the level of my concern in regard to your irritation. If my opinion scares you, I assume you will be absolutely terrified to learn of what Gen. Tommy Franks has stated publicly. He speculated that a "massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world" would prompt "our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country," putting an end to "this grand experiment we call democracy."

Maybe you should try a nite lite near the computer if you keep getting frightened.


Tommy Franks Quotation Links:
http://magic-city-news.com/article_2619.shtml

http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/editorials/article/0,1713,BDC_2489_3401912,00.html

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0451/041222_news_mossback.php

[Carolab]

18. This maladministration has been fabricating nightmares

do we need to feed into it?

Go to informationclearinghouse.info and watch "The Power of Nightmares".

It is scare shit. Because it's just a bunch of shit.

Fear = control of the masses. They are TRYING to scare people. Why should you help them along?

Repeating this type of thing doesn't DESERVE eloquence in response.

[shuffs]

19. If another major terrorist attack it will

eom

[Carolab]

20. If another major terrorist attack

it will be BECAUSE of them, if you get my meaning. They have done NOTHING to "protect us". Why is that? You tell me.

As Churchill so "eloquently" put it: We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

They had to CHEAT to win. They have to fabricate FEAR to stay in power. They are NOT the majority. WE are.

[Undercover Owl]

22. what's eom?

what does eom mean?

[BeHereNow]

25. Welcome to DU Shuffs...

And you're right- one event and all the
really nasty things they have made legal
with the Patriot Acts and Homeland Security
will be at their LEGAL disposal to activate.
And that is the key- it will be legal for them
to exorcise all the lovely plans they have
made for the civilians in this country.
Everyone need to READ the Patriot Acts.
Every page.
Therein lies our future and it IS martial law.
Not in the way you picture it, far more insidious
because it allows them to freeze you financially and
legally.
BHN

[Karenina]

21. Kinda like y'all's "election"

They tole ya they was gonna steal it, O'Dell in published docs, Cheney, Pete King on camera , THEY STOLE IT and now y'll be scrambling to errraaa... "prove it." Far as martial law be concerned, they done BUILT the damned camps, put the "law" in place, be lettin' the military run wild and loose in the streets to "train" in Florida and most recently, Toledo...

:freak: :SIGH: :freak:

[BeHereNow]

24. EXACTLY!

The laws and executive orders that have quietly
been passed and signed ARE martial law.
They have not been noticed because there
has been no significant resistence yet.
Doesn't change the fact that they have
quietly wrapped this country in barbed wire.
Economically and legally.
BHN

[Misunderestimator]

26. Well put...

and :hi:

[BeHereNow]

27. Just the facts, m'am, just the facts...

How was the Zoo?
:hi:
Back at ya!
BHN

[Misunderestimator]

28. Well...

the zoo was fine, though chilly... so many of the animals had gone inside for the warmth. We had a great time walking around though.

btw... we had a WONDERFUL time with you guys the other night! Looking forward to many times like that in the future after I move out here.

[BeHereNow]

30. Me too.

Even under martial law, we can still make MUSIC!
They can't stop us from making music EVER~!
bhn