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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:42 PM
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If they register Muslim Americans I'm registering in solidarity
I may not know the last thing about the Koran and I have never been near a Mosque, but if it comes down to registering Muslim Americans I'm registering in solidarity.

In one beliefs in the basic oneness of all faiths, that technically makes one a muslim anyway.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:49 PM
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1. Are you projecting the worst or has this actually been discussed?
:shrug:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:50 PM
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2. I agree with your philosophy
If I had lived in Germany in the 30's, I would have worn the Star of David, because, like you, I believe that all paths lead to God. I find the concept of 'registering' anyone based on religion repugnant and against the Constitution.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:03 PM
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3. Of course I agree, but is this just us letting our imaginations go wild OR
is there something to it? If not, I think we should be careful about inadvertently propelling the notion. We need to stay very focused on the nearly overwhelming reality of what the Bushies are undertaking and not divert attention to "what-ifs."
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:06 PM
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5. Recent survey
Showing that nearly half of Americans say that the government should be restricting the rights of Muslims. Those numbers were highest among Repukes and the "religious." Who is currently in control of our government?

Just one source, but you can get the gist:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/041218/2/s8l9.html

:scared:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:25 PM
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7. How could so many fellow Americans be so hateful and totally
absent of respect for what this country is based on? Good God, I really am overwhelmed with depression for where our country and ideals may be going...
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:50 PM
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9. Seeing how easily Americans could be led to hate
Muslims and Arabs has totally changed how I view Germans of Hitler's time.

For 2000 years, Christians were fed an almost daily diet of anti Jewish sentiment.

For my whole life Americans have been fed an almost daily diet of anti Arab sentiment (I first became aware of how hated Arabs are in the 1970s during the gas "crisis" and the lines at the pumps.)

It was very easy for average Germans to go from viewing their Jewish neighbors as friends to viewing them as the cause for all their misfortune. After all that's all they heard in their media.

For some reason it seems that every civilization must have an "other" to hate. Why should the US be any different? In our country it's easy to generate hate of non whites (Japanese in WWII, blacks at any time in the country's history, and now Arabs).

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PapaJoe Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:25 PM
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14. I agree with you.
I have felt in myself some inchoate fear of Muslims.
I guess that while I know that not all Muslims are terrorists, it surely seems that all terrorists are Muslim. We need in inoculate ourselves from the disease of intolerance.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:45 PM
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15. That's why I got rid of cable
After a while I found I was feeling emotions I didn't feel were really coming from me.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:50 PM
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16. I know it's hard to fight back those thoughts
but remember that the OKC bombing was done by Tim McVeigh, white radical Christian extremist.

The media and the government wants us to view all Muslims as irrational fundamentalist fanatics so when an image of a Muslim is presented on TV that is what we get: a picture of some wild eyed man with a beard and long hair wearing a turban or other head covering. If they have a gun, that's all the better!

How different people would feel if Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and their ilk were referred to as radical/extremist fundamentalist Christian clerics? It's how the language is used (and who is using the language) that matters. For the most part when Islam is mentioned the words radical, extremist or fundamentalist usually preface it. Christians and Jews are not treated the same way and if they were there would be such an outcry and the writer or announcer would be labeled anti Christian and worse antisemitic.



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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:04 PM
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4. who is suggesting this?
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:12 PM
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6. It's discussed with regularity on right-wing radio
Maybe the host doesn't say it but callers certainly do.

I mentioned to my sister, a Bushie, that the pugs were considering amending the constitution to allow foreign born citizens to run for president. I then said this was being done hoping that Ah-nold could run in 2008. She was not upset with the prospect of Ah-nold being pres but said "oh good, next we'll have a Muslim for president!"

My jaw dropped.

Yet another reason I OFTEN question if I am related to these people.

I KNOW the hospital switched me at birth and that I was given to the WRONG family.

Oh where is my real family of liberal thinking, Noam Chomsky reading, Grateful Dead listening, tie dye wearing people? Where?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:39 PM
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8. I'm adopted Ikojo and I love the Grateful Dead
I'll be your brother :hippie:
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:50 PM
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10. OK. That sounds good! nt
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:55 PM
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12. see link posted above
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 01:59 PM by gorbal
Check the link posted about about the poll. After seeing what they have done so far and gotten away with,I just don't know.

I don't want to go TO crazy over this; If I thought they were truly evil I would be moving to Canada and starting an underground railroad for Muslims instead of registering.

Edit-lookie, I am ikojo's family now too:)
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:52 PM
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11. I carry this pink triangle for the same reason
I'm a straight , married ,volvo driving , Homemaker.

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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 02:02 PM
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13. :)pink traingles rock.
:thumbsup:

I wonder if I am speaking to rashly now though. What does everyone think? I sort of felt like starting this thread more as a preventative measure.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:34 PM
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17. Replying to myself.
I am remembering now the reported abuses of "non" american citizens, no, I don't think I am being to rash. Check out the "Year in Reveiw" on "Democracy Now"

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/30/1452213&mode=thread&tid=25
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